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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?

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esmufc07 said:
The house has to vote for a General Election doesn't it? She can call it but it has to be passed by the HoC?
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yes and it requires 2/3 majority but pretty guaranteed all opposition MPS go for it and im sure most conservatives would if it was called as it would be a terrible look (plus probably followed by a confidence motion) if they didnt...

99.999999999% if she calls for it she gets an election
 
Pogue Mahone said:
The “angle” they go for is a resounding ‘no’ to the question in the article title.

You (and a load of other people on Twitter) seem to be making the classic mistake of forming an opinion on a shared article after reading the title, then not bothering to read the main text.
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Isn't there an old saying that anything below the headline is pointless? There's also one saying any headline ending with a question mark can be answered no.

BBC aren't leavers but their impartiality guidance makes them go 50/50 rather than weight the credibility or factor in the actual split in opinion
 
Adebesi said:
And by the way, I predict Corbyn will do everything in his power to avoid even discussing Brexit in any campaign. He'll talk about "the things that the British public really care about, schools and the NHS," and avoid committing himself to anything.
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he will get crucified in a debate... well perhaps not... he will probably walk off in a huff if chukka's there
 
Smores said:
Isn't there an old saying that anything below the headline is pointless? There's also one saying any headline ending with a question mark can be answered no.

BBC aren't leavers but their impartiality guidance makes them go 50/50 rather than weight the credibility or factor in the actual split in opinion
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Yeah, they’re caught between a rock and a hard place. The fact that you so often see Leaver and Remainers moaning about the BBC being biased against their agenda probably means they’re getting the whole impartiality thing about right.
 
Devil_forever said:
You’re not seriously suggesting that the BBC are supporting leave are you?
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BBC have been pro leave for a while now. They hide it better than others but they definitely ain’t as left Luvvies as they used to be.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Yeah, they’re caught between a rock and a hard place. The fact that you so often see Leaver and Remainers moaning about the BBC being biased against their agenda probably means they’re getting the whole impartiality thing about right.
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I think they have been more pro leave and got the balance wrong either over compensating re: issue you described or there has been some power politics at play behind closed doors.
 
They could just be accurate. That headline and byline isn't in the slightest.
 
Jippy said:
Assume you mean the bolded standfirst...sorry to be a pedant. Zoe is the byline.
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Yes sorry. I'm not an expert on journalism, whats your thoughts on it?
EDIT: I was talking more about the tweet, than the article itself. I suppose I'm wasting my breath expecting a tweet not to be a bullshit presentation of a story
 
caid said:
Yes sorry. I'm not an expert on journalism, whats your thoughts on it?
EDIT: I was talking more about the tweet, than the article itself. I suppose I'm wasting my breath expecting a tweet not to be a bullshit presentation of a story
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I think it's a lame article tbh. It starts off from a sensationalist angle of whether bots (potentially Russian, CIA, who knows) are distorting this democratice petition on an area of such great importance.

The article then quotes IT experts saying it's unlikely with security these days, so it really fizzles out into a clickbait story that flatters to deceive.

Almost like a reverse DM effort tbh.
 
Smores said:
Whatever gets the most support becomes the new direction? It'd still need to pass the house at some point i guess but that should be the starting point
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Surely, it will have to have support from the EU as well?

I thought the EU were saying if the MV3 vote is passed we have until May 22 to sort out the technicalities, but if the MV3 fails then its lights out on the 12th April?

Surely if MV3 fails there wont be time to hold indicative votes, then to sort out a new proposal, then to put that proposal to the EU and also (in MP's spare time) dismantle the default legislation (i.e. No Deal) which should have happened on the 29th March, but will now happen on the 12th April?

Or, has Theresa May already briefed the 27 heads of state that if she can't get MV3 through and then subsequently the Brexit process in HoC falls under the control of MP's (not the PM),and is seen to be in the ascendancy, then Theresa will steal the MP's thunder by revoking A50 herself? Interesting thought and it becomes her final two-fingered salute to her dearly loved fellow politicians, its called going out in style!

Of course if the revoke option has already failed to pass muster amongst the indicative voting, then the 'accident' everyone (except ERG) worry about might happen.

All this Brexit dealings could well be a plot lifted straight from 'Game of Thrones'.
 
Raees said:
BBC have been pro leave for a while now. They hide it better than others but they definitely ain’t as left Luvvies as they used to be.
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Cameron moved the BBC to the right, although it was said to be left wing for so long that many people will never get rid of the idea.

Whether you can label opinions on the EU left or right is another matter, Brexit is the official policy of both Labour and Conservatives after all. The right of the Tories tend to be more pro-Brexit, but so do the old left of Labour, including it's current leadership. I don't know where the SWP, WRP and the Communists various stand on Europe to be honest, maybe if there are any around they could tell us?
 
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Maticmaker said:
Surely, it will have to have support from the EU as well?

I thought the EU were saying if the MV3 vote is passed we have until May 22 to sort out the technicalities, but if the MV3 fails then its lights out on the 12th April?

Surely if MV3 fails there wont be time to hold indicative votes, then to sort out a new proposal, then to put that proposal to the EU and also (in MP's spare time) dismantle the default legislation (i.e. No Deal) which should have happened on the 29th March, but will now happen on the 12th April?

Or, has Theresa May already briefed the 27 heads of state that if she can't get MV3 through and then subsequently the Brexit process in HoC falls under the control of MP's (not the PM),and is seen to be in the ascendancy, then Theresa will steal the MP's thunder by revoking A50 herself? Interesting thought and it becomes her final two-fingered salute to her dearly loved fellow politicians, its called going out in style!

Of course if the revoke option has already failed to pass muster amongst the indicative voting, then the 'accident' everyone (except ERG) worry about might happen.

All this Brexit dealings could well be a plot lifted straight from 'Game of Thrones'.
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We can apply for a longer extension up to 11th April
This gives time for indicative votes if (when) mv3 fails then we can go back based on these indicative votes and say for example we have a majority for a customs union type deal can we extend to renegotiate based on this or we have a majority for a second referendum so can we extend to facilitate this... Or a ge etc.
Then it's up to the EU to say what we have to do to get that extension... Probably continue to contribute financially during the extension and probably hold EU elections as a minimum.
I could even see may trying to do this early next week and take the conditions back to try and force mv4...
 
I was thinking about how inept in this governing stuff your lot appear to be. I do not necessarily refer to the inability to reach a decision but rather the 'preparations' for different outcomes. Wasn't always the case was it ? The civil service used to have a lot more say in how things were implemented ?
 
The Firestarter said:
I was thinking about how inept in this governing stuff your lot appear to be. I do not necessarily refer to the inability to reach a decision but rather the 'preparations' for different outcomes. Wasn't always the case was it ? The civil service used to have a lot more say in how things were implemented ?
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I think the problem for the civil service is that it's difficult to have a say in implementing something when the government hasn't actually decided yet what we want to be implemented. And this is a fairly unique case in that it's referring to a referendum - under normal circumstances the civil service would perhaps have an easier time dismissing ideas that are grounded in lunacy, but here stupid ideas keep getting more prominence than they should because said views come under the guise of being the will of the people.
 
Penna said:
I see Boris has had a proper, grown-up leader's haircut. First step, I reckon.
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Where? The last I saw of him was the other day at a JCB thing and he still looked like an overgrown toddler who had been rolling around in the dirt.
 
Why would BBC be pro leave? From a business/commercial POV I don't get it. So for those saying that they are, what's the reasoning?
 
2 man midfield said:
Do people think the BBC have some leave-related bias then?
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I don't think they necessarily have a bias to leave, but I'm fairly sure it's been proven that the BBC, while mostly impartial, generally has a slight bias to the views of the sitting government, which in this case will reflect leave. I suppose there's a degree of logic there as they rely somewhat on the government to continue existing as they do.

My biggest gripe, not just with the BBC, but all mainstream news media, is the platforming they've done regarding this. Putting experts alongside someone with an uninformed opinion and presenting them as equals is a growing problem, as is the weird obsession with giving right-wing nutjobs like Farage, Yaxley-Lennon and Hopkins the time of day alongside actual politicians.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
Where? The last I saw of him was the other day at a JCB thing and he still looked like an overgrown toddler who had been rolling around in the dirt.
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Yes, he's got short hair and he's lost weight, too. There's pics in the tabloids of him at a charity bash a couple of weeks ago. He looks very different.
 
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