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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?

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17 Van der Gouw said:
There are bound to be a decent proportion who have signed it a few times, I mean, most people these days have 3 or 4 email addresses.

I've also read about people signing it from overseas, but surely the system would filter those out?
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British citizens overseas are entitled to sign the petition. Most, but not all, other multiple entry attempts get rejected after data matching. You can seemingly enter multiple time but then get a rejection email later. A VPN and multiple real emails might work sometimes but the incidence of cheating will be fairly small.

And the petition will be ignored anyway.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Yes probably, but none of the indicative votes I've seen are possible so don't know what's going to be in the second round.
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Not seen them all yet but quite a few seem bogus, seems we've got Malthouse compromise (again) and Norway Plus.

Norway plus is a funny one as loads of leave voters call for it despite having no clue that even with the plus element it involves so many of the things they don't want.

Benns tabled the custom union amendment. Achievable but it's a solution that will please nobody.
 
Jacob-Rees Mogg has written an article in the Daily Mail, confirming that he intends to back May’s deal.

He writes:

I apologise for changing my mind. Theresa May’s deal is a bad one, it does not deliver on the promises made in the Tory Party manifesto and its negotiation was a failure of statesmanship.

A £39 billion bill for nothing, a minimum of 21 months of vassalage, the continued involvement of the European Court and, worst of all, a backstop with no end date.

Yet, I am now willing to support it if the Democratic Unionist Party does, and by doing so will be accused of infirmity of purpose by some and treachery by others.

Or being a complete charlatan and liar.
 
Smores said:
Not seen them all yet but quite a few seem bogus, seems we've got Malthouse compromise (again) and Norway Plus.

Norway plus is a funny one as loads of leave voters call for it despite having no clue that even with the plus element it involves so many of the things they don't want.

Benns tabled the custom union amendment. Achievable but it's a solution that will please nobody.
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And also they want to change the WA , not only the Political declaration. Think there could be a reaction from the EU after tomorrow.

Parliament had an opportunity to do something sensible but it looks like a missed opportunity.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
And also they want to change the WA , not only the Political declaration. Think there could be a reaction from the EU after tomorrow.

Parliament had an opportunity to do something sensible but it looks like a missed opportunity.
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The Guardian took that analysis of Benns amendment too but for me it's a misreading. I read it as the package of both needs to contain a customs union not each document needs revising to include the custom union.

I'm probably wrong though perhaps there's technicalities requiring it including in the WA.
 
Smores said:
The Guardian took that analysis of Benns amendment too but for me it's a misreading. I read it as the package of both needs to contain a customs union not each document needs revising to include the custom union.

I'm probably wrong though perhaps there's technicalities requiring it including in the WA.
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That's the amendment but why not just put it in the Political declaration, although legally don't know.

Hope he's told Corbyn that it means the UK can't do their own trade deals.
 
So there are supposedly 17 different motions to be considered by the Speaker and whittled down and that doesn't include the actual Withdrawal Agreement.

Thus 18 different forms of Brexit or non-Brexit and Leavers supposedly knew what they voted for. And all this two days before the Uk are supposed to leave. The world is looking on.
 
Smores said:
The Guardian took that analysis of Benns amendment too but for me it's a misreading. I read it as the package of both needs to contain a customs union not each document needs revising to include the custom union.

I'm probably wrong though perhaps there's technicalities requiring it including in the WA.
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If it's not in the WA, it is not legally binding.

The Political Declaration can simply be discarded by whichever Tory Brexiteer ousts the PM later this year.
 
Damien said:
They'll be debating this petition the same day.

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I presume this petition has only just been started compared with the one that got millions of signatures?
 
Regarding British signatures from abroad on the petitions website.

There have been votes from dozens of different countries.

Among them:

- 43,378 from France
- 19,884 from Germany
- 24,521 from Spain
- 23,871 from the United States
- 10,686 from Canada
- 18,626 from Australia

There's no reason at this point to believe these aren't genuine votes from British overseas, but the numbers aren't insignificant.

The government won't give a damn regardless.

Petition data from here. In JSON format, can be dumped into a JSON viewer.
 
17 Van der Gouw said:
Regarding British signatures from abroad on the petitions website.

There have been votes from dozens of different countries.

Among them:

- 43,378 from France
- 19,884 from Germany
- 24,521 from Spain
- 23,871 from the United States
- 10,686 from Canada
- 18,626 from Australia

There's no reason at this point to believe these aren't genuine votes from British overseas, but the numbers aren't insignificant.

The government won't give a damn regardless.

Petition data from here. In JSON format, can be dumped into a JSON viewer.
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The numbers are not insignificant, but then nor was the much larger number of people denied a say in the original opinion poll in 2016.

700,000 directly affected by this decision were not allowed a vote despite remaining British Citizens.
 
Just got this in my in-box (something about the date tells me I shouldn't get too excited):

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Dear SW,

Parliament is going to debate the petition you signed – “Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU.”.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

The debate is scheduled for 1 April 2019.

Once the debate has happened, we’ll email you a video and transcript.

Thanks,
The Petitions team
UK Government and Parliament

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Meanwhile, looks like they've already started to solve the problem of what to do, post-BREXIT, with all that spare cash they'll save once wasteful MEPs are not frittering our money away in Brussels:

The $16m New York penthouse fit for a UK civil servant
Exclusive: Luxury apartment next to UN headquarters to be used by senior diplomat charged with seeking post-Brexit trade deals

"The government has bought a $15.9m (£12m) seven bedroom luxury New York apartment for a senior British civil servant charged with signing fresh trade deals in a post-Brexit world, the Guardian can reveal. …"

Full story: https://www.theguardian.com/politic...new-york-penthouse-fit-for-a-uk-civil-servant
 
Alex99 said:
Would it though? Perhaps clearly explaining that the referendum was in fact, advisory, and not a binding vote would go a long way, because it's something that is often ignored and rarely mentioned by the media when discussing Brexit, and doesn't appear to be common knowledge.

The fact that we had an advisory referendum, won by a narrow majority, following a campaign fraught with with illegal funding and outright lies, and that near three years on, we have no clear direction or course of action to actually carry out the result, would suggest to me that there is certainly at least some merit to revoking Article 50.

They could even caveat it with a promise to revisit the result in x number of years, after carrying out proper impact assessments, and detailing actual exit strategies that ensure the country is better off outside of the EU, as should be the case for us to leave.

This "leave at all costs" mentality is absolutely insane, and no government should be pandering so obviously to a group of vocal morons who want something to happen despite the seemingly obvious wide-spread, damaging consequences it will have.

EDIT: Also, any undermining of the democratic process that could have happened has already happened when a) Vote Leave was won through illegal funding and blatant lies, b) a snap election was called to consolidate power for the current PM, but actually only kept her in a job courtesy of a £1 billion bribe slung at a bunch of mercenary, god-bothering lunatics from Northern Ireland and c) the current PM is attempting to table a deal that has already been voted down heavily on two occasions already, without making any changes.
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Great post.
 
SqueakyWeasel said:
Just got this in my in-box (something about the date tells me I shouldn't get too excited):

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Dear SW,

Parliament is going to debate the petition you signed – “Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU.”.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

The debate is scheduled for 1 April 2019.

Once the debate has happened, we’ll email you a video and transcript.

Thanks,
The Petitions team
UK Government and Parliament

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I've got one too.
 
Donald Tusk:

'And here, let me make one personal remark to the Members of this Parliament. Before the European Council, I said that we should be open to a long extension if the UK wishes to rethink its Brexit strategy, which would of course mean the UK's participation in the European Parliament elections. And then there were voices saying that this would be harmful or inconvenient to some of you. Let me be clear: such thinking is unacceptable. You cannot betray the six million people who signed the petition to revoke Article 50, the one million people who marched for a People's Vote, or the increasing majority of people who want to remain in the European Union. They may feel that they are not sufficiently represented by the UK Parliament, but they must feel that they are represented by you in this chamber. Because they are Europeans.'
 
Jacob Rees-Mogg says he will back Theresa May's deal despite being vocal critic


Jacob Rees-Mogg has sensationally changed his mind on Theresa May’s Brexit deal saying he will now back the withdrawal agreement despite being one of its most vocal critics.

Mr Rees-Mogg, the chair of the 80-strong European Research Group of Tory MPs, said he was ready to back the deal as long as it wins the support of the DUP.

Writing in the Daily Mail, he said he apologised "for changing my mind” before admitting “by doing so I will be accused of infirmity of purpose by some and treachery by others”.

But he added: "I have come to this view because the numbers in Parliament make it clear that all the other potential outcomes are worse and an awkward reality needs to be faced."

While the passionate Brexiteer conceded the Prime Minister's deal was “a bad one” and he would rather leave under no-deal, he said this was now unlikely.

He also backed Mrs May by warning against a change of leadership amid speculation over her future.

“A number of Tory MPs think a new leader could swiftly renegotiate but that is almost certainly not true now that Parliament has taken control of the House of Commons timetable,” he wrote.

“It would be even harder for a Eurosceptic to manage the current Commons than it is for Mrs May.”

It came as Brexit figurehead Boris Johnson hinted he might be ready to swing behind the PM's deal, telling an audience of Daily Telegraph readers: "If we vote it down again, for the third time, there is now, I think, an appreciable risk that we will not leave at all."

However DUP Brexit spokesman Sammy Wilson said the party would hold firm on its stance on the withdrawal agreement.

He told the Telegraph that some former opponents of the deal "now take the view that the withdrawal agreement, even though it is a rotten deal, is better than losing Brexit".

"To them I say that, if the deal goes through, we have lost our right to leave the EU," he said.

Mr Wilson suggested that a long extension to Article 50, keeping the UK in the EU, was a better option even if it meant leaving without a deal at the end.

It comes with MPs set to vote on a series of indicative votes on alternatives to Mrs May's plan, including a call for a public vote on any deal and a demand for Parliament to choose between no-deal and no Brexit if the UK gets within two days of crashing out.
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So much for this chancer.

 
It's all well and good JRM and a few of the other ERG changing their minds but they still don't have the numbers. The DUP will not back it and neither will the majority of the rest of the house.

I will be shocked if it passes.
 
What's the deal with nearly every random person questioned about Brexit on the street being a leaver? And most likely the real stereotypical "dem foreigners" types....

BBC, CNN, etc... Don't remainers give good hot takes?
 
Why has everyone stopped mentioning Bercow's statement on not allowing another vote on the rejected WA proposal (unless it's substantially altered) - or have I missed something?
 
SqueakyWeasel said:
Meanwhile, looks like they've already started to solve the problem of what to do, post-BREXIT, with all that spare cash they'll save once wasteful MEPs are not frittering our money away in Brussels:

The $16m New York penthouse fit for a UK civil servant
Exclusive: Luxury apartment next to UN headquarters to be used by senior diplomat charged with seeking post-Brexit trade deals

"The government has bought a $15.9m (£12m) seven bedroom luxury New York apartment for a senior British civil servant charged with signing fresh trade deals in a post-Brexit world, the Guardian can reveal. …"

Full story: https://www.theguardian.com/politic...new-york-penthouse-fit-for-a-uk-civil-servant
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Tbh sounds like a good investment. Not like prime real estate in NY is going to lose value any time soon.
 
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