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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
There's a hole in the bottom for when you need to take a shit. Major used to use it as well when nobody was looking.
I think it would be a forgone conclusion on this Forum.
In fact, if there was a 2nd referendum, I think that would be foregone conclusion too.
Yeah but I'm talking yes or no on all 8 options. Some of the options are nuanced and not everybody would vote the same way on all 8 options.
Personally I want to remain but after that I want the weakest Brexit that we can get.
Most people on here are only interested in 1 option though.
Yeah but we aren't necessarily going to get that. If we don't what would people accept? We go on about parliament not being prepared to compromise. We should look at compromises that we would accept if we don't get our way.
I agree - and then negotiate our way back in during a long transition period.
It’s a completely illogical position to take.
He could appeal to both Brexiteers and Remainers if he said he would negotiate a much better deal (without May’s red lines) and then let the public vote on it - assuming we are at the point where Tories have failed and we are having a GE.
I think no matter what happens we'll be back in in the next 10 years. The only problem is that 10 years is too long for me as I'll almost be retired by then.
The problem is that the other 7 do not include a sensible customs union or single market option , ie one where the UK complies by the rules of the said customs union or single market, ie something that is realistically negotiable.
Small chance in hell that gets many votes, unfortunately
Showing tolerance against these morons, those in the public included, is just as dangerous in the long run as revoking article 50. No idea why this is ignored.
Suddenly I’m supposed to care what xenophobic, racist people think? That they’re going to be miffed and potentially cause damage to property or people. Feck off.
Suddenly I’m supposed to care what xenophobic, racist people think? That they’re going to be miffed and potentially cause damage to property or people. Feck off.
Can't see it personally. The amount of concessions we'd have to make in order to get back in would never be acceptable to most of the British public. Bringing in the euro for starters would be a non starter.
Do the MPs vote on every amendment, or just on the one that they are in favour of?
Poll added.
Being able to only pick one option will see 80-90% of votes on revoke
Can someone explain the difference between customs union, permanent customs union, and May's deal? The latter also involved a UK-wide customs union so I'm confused.
Which is why I didn't see the point in adding a poll in the first place. I've changed it to three.
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Clarke's customs union doesn't mention how the UK joins it, as it's the customs union of the EEA.
Corbyn's customs union means he wants all the benefits of the customs union but not adhere to the rules.
May's deal doesn't have the customs union only during the transition period.
33 votes and not a single one for No Deal so far.
It's Buzzfeed, but.......
Her final offer - her resignation. Poisoned chalice though so not sure it's a reason to vote for her deal.
Imagine being such a stubborn old cnut that you are prepared to say "I know you all hate me because of what I want but I promise I will definitely feck off if you just give me what I want"
Is it going to persuade the DUP though?
Cheers, should give a bit more light on people's fall back options.
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Thanks. I tried to read up on it but I still don't really see a meaningful difference between Clarke's and Corbyn's proposals. Corbyn's talks about a close alignment with the single market which is very vague.
And then there's the option suggesting EEA/EFTA membership without customs union - that would run into the Irish border problem again, wouldn't it?
No. Should get a few of the ERG types to vote for it though (assuming there is a vote on it).
Her level of shithousery makes Mark Van Bommel jealous.
I know you want me to leave because you can't stand the deal which I've negotiated, so I promise to leave so long as you accept my deal
This.
Other words she's getting out of dodge. No one will really want to take charge of this mess.,despite what Corbyn keeps saying.
Corbyn wants the UK to be able to do their own deals while being in the customs union which is not possible
Corbyn wants to have the benefits of the single market without the 4 freedoms, again not possible.
Clarke's is too vague, no detail.
And yes without the customs union it doesn't solve the Irish problem.
None of them solve the problems.
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What do you make of the options?
I don't want her deal to go through if the ERG get to negotiate the next phase of the process.