Farage better not come over here
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Farage better not come over here
Cameron miscalculated those EU negotiations - so woolly were the changes discussed that it did nothing to convince eurosceptics to consider changing voting remain in the event of a referendum.
The renegotiations were mostly cosmetic - the EU paying lip service in a bid to help the ‘remain’ cause. Cameron knew it, he was just hoping to pull wool over skeptical eyes.
You don’t have to be a ‘leaver’ to know that the EU’s appetite for positive reform is as small as it ever was.
You can’t press on with an ever closer union and further centralisation and not expect discontent to grow - because no matter whether those fears are misplaced, they are fears nonetheless. And dismissing those voices only adds to the disillusionment. At some point you have to tackle it. A degree of genuine devolvement would go some way to securing the future of the EU - with or without the UK.
Depends on exactly what powers you want localised
Hammond i reckon, he looks so bored of it all even when he's rolled out for an appearance
Sooo.... ehm... today is the big day ? Has the extension already happened? Wasn't it contingent on Westminster getting it's shxt together, or has that been ruled unrealistic?
My sympathy to the 47 million that did not vote for this and have been kidnapped for the journey. I hope one day it's the decency of those 47 million that represent Britain again, like it always used to do until a couple of years ago. Good luck.
My sympathy to the 47 million that did not vote for this and have been kidnapped for the journey. I hope one day it's the decency of those 47 million that represent Britain again, like it always used to do until a couple of years ago. Good luck.
Extension to 12 April has already happened. Further extension to 22 May is contingent on the Withdrawal Agreement being voted through the House of Commons tomorrow.
It won't get voted through. We are therefore likely looking at two possible outcomes:
1) No deal crash out on 12 April. This outcome is, essentially, Armageddon.
2) Long extension to A50 (perhaps 2+ years, to be agreed by the EU 27). This outcome would necessitate the UK taking part in this summer's EU elections. I think it's quite possible that, in this scenario, Brexit will never actually happen.
Oh, alright, thanks. Been a bit too busy to keep up the last 2 weeks and was confused about the state of things. Whichever way this is resolved I hope it doesn't involve Armageddon.
That's really the wrong argument to use since we (Southern Europeans) save thousands of lives every year and all we get in exchange from the Nordic and Eastern European countries is that its our problem and we are the ones who must deal with it. All attempts of a mandatory burden sharing had been shot down with countries (especially the Nordic countries and Eastern Europe) who expect us to save every poor soul that flees the countries while making sure we keep all migrants saved locked inside our territory under the unfair and in this case quite ironic (for the name) Dublin treaty which is quite telling considering that we aren't the ones who are bombing other countries or arming regimes.
Also I never said we shouldn't give a shit. All I said is that a long extension with no direction whatsoever to were discussions will end is wrong. Extension means that a country who do not have the union's future at heart gets to decide its future. There are less intrusive ways to keep the borders open.
Speaking of not giving a shit about the GFA you might not notice but we're not the ones who voted to put the GFA at risk and we're certainly not the ones who refuse any solutions to the problem (the WA, remaining in the single market etc)
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We live in hope
Is there any reason for the EU27 to agree to this?
No idea yet but “fight the shite” would be a great slogan
Article 50 was designed by a Brit and you knew exactly what you were going into once activating article 50. Also note that it's not the EU job to make brexit a success
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This is how politicians should be held to account:
But the EU doesn't want devolvement. They don't see it as positive reform.
And I'm sorry but no sane person could gave expected even further concessions to the UK. You lot opted out of almost everything, you contribute less per capita than ITALY - if that's still not good enough, it's probably better if you leave instead of expecting the EU to cater to your every whim.
Blaming the BBC for accurately reporting the exact words he used. I hope this opportunist conman slides back into obscurity with the millions he has earned, never to darken our doors again, once this is all over.Just seen on social media, people planning to drive stupidly slow along the M60 from Heaton Park at 7:30/8:00 this morning. For those that know the M60 that's all they'll be doing anyway, it's gridlocked at that time no matter what.
I'd really love to speak to some of the idiots that have gone out of their way to sit in rush hour traffic for no reason
I'd really love to speak to some of the idiots that have gone out of their way to sit in rush hour traffic for no reason
So what happens today? Or rather, what is supposed to happen, but won't?
Nothing? Extended to 12th so that is now the new today.
There's a vote on the withdrawal section of the withdrawal agreement.
I have zero sympathy for the people who couldn't get off their lazy arses to vote. Maybe this shitshow will lead them to stop being so ignorant next time, but I don't hold out much hope of that.
Labour voting against the withdrawal agreement today is a tough sell really. Stammer out trying his best and with good reason but to the layman it doesn't look good.
Right. I haven't followed Brexit closely over the last weeks or months, and I don't understand anything that's going on right now. Like the British parliament, I guess
It's the only way they could prevent a no deal crash out. It also opens up the possibility of us changing our minds and remaining.
didnt they say in the past they were ok with the W.A but they had issues with the political declaration...
Dont think it will be too much of a tough sell though as when the W.A. looses again today all the focus is probably on eiether
no deal on 12th or request long extension
And I think may will be gone on or around the 12th and all the preassure will be on her to announce a date... no real focus on labours reasoning regarding this I think
I know you don't mean them, but there are a good few million who were simply too young to vote. They'll be graduating into a post brexit economy on top of all the other problems they'll inherit. Then there's those who simply didn't vote because they didn't feel qualified to make a decision, those too have my full sympathy (despite most of them wandering into the "geronwitit" camp these days). Even the gullible among the leavers, they didn't know what they were voting for... But I guess it's a lot easier for me to offer sympathy when I'm not as affected by all of it.
But at least we'll make our own laws and wont be taking orders from Brussels.
Like... erm.... something about farms in Somerset? The EU makes us do something, or is it that it prevents us from doing something? I forget. But anyway, whatever it is, it will cease to be the huge problem it so clearly is.
Three cheers for Brexit.
Like... erm.... something about farms in Somerset? The EU makes us do something, or is it that it prevents us from doing something? I forget. But anyway, whatever it is, it will cease to be the huge problem it so clearly is.
Three cheers for Brexit.
I've heard some people say this and fair enough. The problem too many voted despite not knowing enough.
"We send the EU €350,000,000 a week. Let's go on the piss instead"
Happy Brexit day everyone.
They will regret this. Even if her deal doesn't pass, it is difficult to see how May can carry on. There will be a new Tory leader who will have not been voted in by the people. Most leaders in that position will want a GE at some point to give themselves a mandate. TM did just that. With the polls as they were the decision was sound IMO. The campaign though was a total car crash that slashed the Tory majority.
The new Tory leader will probably be a leaver. They will run a GE campaign on honouring the referendum and Labour will not know what to put in their manifesto. They will be trashed for stopping the UK's exit when there was a chance to do so. Stammers argument is a thin veil covering the real Labour aim and that is to never agree with the government about anything at all.
And they point the finger at May for putting party before country. Total hypocrisy.
Irexit really doesn't roll off the tongue like Brexit does anyway, it would never take off with the simple folk.
There's no possible way (and never has been) for Labour to come out of this looking good.
Voting for May's deal would be even more disastrous. It's still incredibly unpopular and rightfully so.