As much as I agree with you and it makes no sense, politically they can get away with that as an option as they will say that we don't have to follow EU laws any more and can make our own - only laws pertaining to trade will need to be followed.
Brexited | the worst threads live the longest
- Thread starter Silva
- Start date
-
In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
As much as I agree with you and it makes no sense, politically they can get away with that as an option as they will say that we don't have to follow EU laws any more and can make our own - only laws pertaining to trade will need to be followed.
While abstaining sounds like a completely stupid thing to do at this stage I assume it is to get Mrs May WA back on the table.
Not sure what's wrong with what he said?
I'm not an avid reader of this thread, but I have noticed that you seem to take every possible opportunity to attack labour.
Jesus fecking christ...
I have been attacking Tories just as much. Corbyn's (impossible) deal is not on the table. Labour unfortunately are led by an idiot.
Whereas the Tories are really coming through unscathed on this thread, bravo.
This whole brexit fiasco is a tory mess from start to finish.
I disagree that Corbyn is an idiot, but if that's your opinion then so be it. I really do fail to see however, how his level of idiocy comes even close to that of a long list of tories.
Because the WA put forward by the EU is all that is available.
No, it's not.
The EU have long said that if we are prepared to drop May's red lines, then the WA can of course be reopened.
No it wasn’t. It was the only one available because of Theresa May’s self imposed red lines. That’s all.
Did he also ask those who signed up for it what is their solution to border in the Ireland?Very few of the politicians will come out of this mess with any credit.
Maybe the whole thing was started by the Tories and most of them have been hopeless.
There are many reasons why I say it but one of the reasons is that the deal he wants is impossible, that it has been rejected already 3 times by parliament and not even selected today and still criticises May for the WA which is feasible and could actually achieve something. It can't achieve cancelling Brexit but Corbyn doesn't want to cancel Brexit.
Dropping the 'red lines' kind of pointless, it essentially means we leave the EU in name only. May's 'red lines' allow us to appease the xenophobes who voted for Brexit*, while limiting the economic damage of leaving the CU and SM.
Ultimately this is going to be a choice between remain or a no deal brexit, given May's deal is dead.
*Disclaimer: I know not everyone who voted for Brexit is a xenophobe, but May's track record has proven she is and the ERG pressure group are, and I am sure there are plenty of people, who when it comes down to it would prefer to hear fewer foreign languages on our streets.
Regarding the thread title, it's not actually preferential voting, is it? It's straight ayes v noes?
Love to know what a 'Managed No Deal' involves. Is it just slightly more organised chaos??
Well that I can agree with. But my point was that I can't blame Corbyn for that position, when essentially as you say, the only other two options are no deal or no brexit. Taking a no brexit position would have hurt Labour more, in the short term at least.
Someone should organise a team of people to follow Farage around and speak to him non-stop in all different foreign languages - that should p!ss him off a little. Any volunteers?
Labour is a no brexit party, if it's the Tories doing the brexit. They could put Labour's exact 'deal' to the House and I have a feeling Corbyn would still have Labour vote against it. Corbyn just wants to be a thorn in the side.
idk i just copied the reddit thread
Its chaos with a nicer name.
I can't, tbh.It’s the sunny uplands that the EU said no to repeatedly and warned were a complete fantasy as recently as last week.
And that's what makes him an idiot, in your eyes?
I still haven't heard a sensible solution for the Irish border in a No Deal scenario.
Managed no deal is the British clean coal. Absolute nonsense.
Labour's political opportunism has been terrible, trying to spin a general election. The SNP just as bad, trying to get another Indy Ref. Then you have the Tories, who have until now been pretty insular in their approach to Brexit and have done little to inspire confidence in the opposition benches.
I also like how a second referendum is now being labelled a ‘confirmatory ballot.’
"Technology and stuff" is about the height of it.
It's a confirmatory ballot in that it wouldn't be a simply in/out referendum, but asking the public to 'confirm' whatever deal parliament decides on.
Remain might not even be an option in such a ballot. Could be something like: Customs Union vs No Deal.
The Tory Brexiters who couldn’t be arsed to turn up for the debate, now all sharing their views on Twitter instead. Absolute twats the lot of them.
I don't think Corbyn is an idiot, I think he's trying to play political games that are beyond his abilities. He should have stuck to trying to bring about a new way of doing things in the political spectrum; now he's just a poor man's Ed Miliband.
I was just saying the same. They have no interest in working together with anyone. The speeches earlier were worth listening to and I thought there was a co-operative and conciliatory feel to it all. Meanwhile, the ERG were presumably having some fancy meal somewhere and will just appear to vote in their own self-interest, as usual.
We speak English on this forum Steve, please translate.
It's a referendum nonetheless.
But the word/phrase has become so exhausted, an alternative has been found to help sell it.
No, it's actually quite simple. They're going to gently, carefully, precisely, with cautious planning, great care to the details, expertly, nurturingly feck us all up the arse with a rusty pipe.
Ouch
I don't think he's done too badly, strategically, regarding brexit. Though I thought around Nov/Dec time he could have changed to a remain position and really heaped the pressure on. But that would still have been very damaging for labour.
NOT playing any political games would have been naive. In general his discourse has been balanced and far more courteous than those who constantly attack him as though he's an actual danger to life.
I don't think Corbyn's necessarily an idiot: he's a solid campaigner for example who knows how to connect with voters without seeming like an utter weirdo, and that's often shown itself when he can be arsed, but at the same time I don't think he's a particularly brilliant strategist or a political mastermind. And I think a lot of his weaknesses inevitably show through when he's dealing with an issue that's undoubtedly important to the country, but which doesn't grab his own personal interest. Brexit qualifies in that regard: it's the biggest issue Britain's faced in generations, but Corbyn's not passionate enough for either side to have all that much of a stance on it. Hence he's fluctuated from position to position, with no real coherent strategy beyond what might be good electorally, the same style of politics his supporters lambasted Labour leaders for.
No doubt.
I guess I am responding to the many posts here which pine for a SNP-like party to vote for in England. They would be hostage to a new set of electoral pressures, and this episode shows how they'd respond.