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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?

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Cheesy said:
I don't think Corbyn's necessarily an idiot: he's a solid campaigner for example who knows how to connect with voters without seeming like an utter weirdo, and that's often shown itself when he can be arsed, but at the same time I don't think he's a particularly brilliant strategist or a political mastermind. And I think a lot of his weaknesses inevitably show through when he's dealing with an issue that's undoubtedly important to the country, but which doesn't grab his own personal interest. Brexit qualifies in that regard: it's the biggest issue Britain's faced in generations, but Corbyn's not passionate enough for either side to have all that much of a stance on it. Hence he's fluctuated from position to position, with no real coherent strategy beyond what might be good electorally, the same style of politics his supporters lambasted Labour leaders for.
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Corbyn is a euroskeptic his historical stance is well known.
 
JPRouve said:
Corbyn is a euroskeptic his historical stance is well known.
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Yes, of course. Historically he was a Eurosceptic because back then it was quite common for a lot of the left to be opposed to the EU, even if such a perspective is incredibly outdated now. I think Corbyn's somewhere in the middle on the issue though: his Eurosceptic tendencies remain and he's incredibly dispassionate about the EU, but I also think (and hope) he's sensible enough to realise that most of the anti-EU sentiment comes not from leftist concerns about globalisation but anti-immigration sentiment and misguided, narrow-minded nationalism.
 
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Penna said:
Division bells have rung, chaps. They'll be coming back now.
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You there or something? BBC Parliament is just shite 10-minute shorts at the moment :lol:
 
Cheesy said:
Yes, of course. Historically he was a Eurosceptic because back then it was quite common for a lot of the left to be opposed to the EU, even if such a perspective is incredibly outdated now. I think Corbyn's somewhere in the middle on the issue though: his Eurosceptic tendencies remain and he's incredibly dispassionate about the EU, but I also think (and hope) he's sensible enough to realise that most of the anti-EU sentiment comes not from leftist concerns about globalisation but anti-immigration sentiment and misguided, narrow-minded nationalism.
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This is exactly how I see it.

As he said pre-referendum, he's about a 7/10 in favour of the EU. It's probably more like a 5 or 6, but the last thing he wants is to own a tory brexit.
 
Kentonio said:
Apparently at least one senior Labour shadow cabinet member broke the whip. Ffs.
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Party discipline has been terrible throughout this whole process. If you want to be in the cabinet, surely you should be taking the party line? Especially on key issues. If not then go to the backbenches or join another party.
 
Cheesy said:
Yes, of course. Historically he was a Eurosceptic because back then it was quite common for a lot of the left to be opposed to the EU, even if such a perspective is incredibly outdated now. I think Corbyn's somewhere in the middle on the issue though: his Eurosceptic tendencies remain and he's incredibly dispassionate about the EU, but I also think (and hope) he's sensible enough to realise that most of the anti-EU sentiment comes not from leftist concerns about globalisation but anti-immigration sentiment and misguided, narrow-minded nationalism.
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I think that you are conflating your feelings with his:).
 
Unsurprisingly noes have it on all motions.
 
JPRouve said:
I think that you are conflating your feelings with his:).
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I admit I'm not privvy to Corbyn's inner psyche and I can't determine what he does/or doesn't think - nevertheless I don't think he's either particularly for or against Brexit. He's too much of a historical Bennite type stuck in the past to ever support it, but he's also not really a rabid Brexiteer either. He'd like to see the UK outside the EU but likely knows his ideal model died about 40 years ago.
 
Absolute twats the lot of them. Should all get sacked for being useless, all of them.
 
Cheesy said:
I admit I'm not privvy to Corbyn's inner psyche and I can't determine what he does/or doesn't think - nevertheless I don't think he's either particularly for or against Brexit. He's too much of a historical Bennite type stuck in the past to ever support it, but he's also not really a rabid Brexiteer either. He'd like to see the UK outside the EU but likely knows his ideal model died about 40 years ago.
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I've got a horrible feeling he just does what McDonnell tells him to do.
 
Why is it these twats can't keep their mouths shut when someone has the floor? There's better manners in primary school reception classes.
 
In reality, all the options are still quite a long way from a majority once the cabinet members vote.
 
Cheesy said:
I admit I'm not privvy to Corbyn's inner psyche and I can't determine what he does/or doesn't think - nevertheless I don't think he's either particularly for or against Brexit. He's too much of a historical Bennite type stuck in the past to ever support it, but he's also not really a rabid Brexiteer either. He'd like to see the UK outside the EU but likely knows his ideal model died about 40 years ago.
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But he doesn't need to be a rabid brexiteer that's for me the determining point. He can get what he personally wants and believe in without having to campaign for it, he just has to sit and let the Tories dig deeper. He probably wouldn't have campaigned for it but surely you have to admit that when the tories made him that gift, he would be tempted to take it and it matches with what he has done since brexit which is absolutely nothing.
 
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