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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
To some extent, I can respect those that vote against it. I disagree with it, but they've made a decision and they know it will be made public. But the abstainers can feck right off.
Meh labour are as split as the conservatives and both parties might fracture under the pressure of a general election
I'm tired Robbie
They won't go against their constituents. Self preservation. Nandy sits for Wigan and the borough voted to leave. I'd imagine the others represent similar areas.
It took that?
Which works for revoke it doesn't for a second ref where all you're doing is affording them a confirmation.
It's just self preservation
Then vote against it for that reason, why abstain? This would have given people the chance of another vote. Stupid to go against. To go with constituents means no deal.
Cabinet abstained, and the ERG didn't turn up.
Ann Soubry says May won't compromise...just after she refuses to compromise (again)
could have possible been a soft Brexit.
Forgot about the cabinet. Why no ERG?
No I agree. Its total fence sitting. I can only assume they are in the remain camp but their constituents aren't so they see abstaining the most logical option.
At this stage though they need to see the bigger picture.
Very good point. Remainers not voting for Common Market 2.0 is misguided.
2 abstainers from the Labour Shadow Cabinet on another vote. De Piero and Lavery.
To be honest it's a bit pointless saying "they were only such and such from winning", the only number that really matters is the one that gets you a proper working majority in the commons. For this to work there needed to be a clear winner, and they're all too flawed in their own ways to achieve that.
Missed all the fun - oh I see they all voted against everything again - would never have guessed that.
And everyone's trying to blame everyone else.
Nothing ever changes. Except it will and no deal looms larger.
And everyone's trying to blame everyone else.
Nothing ever changes. Except it will and no deal looms larger.
Wonder what the justification is, do they think May is just gonna say feck it and Revoke article 50?
The TIGers, Lib Dems and Labour MPs who voted against Common Market 2.0 have thrown away a soft Brexit in favour of chasing an elusive people's vote that will sadly now never happen.
No deal in 11 days is looking more and more likely.
Twats.
The reason is they're in parties particularly Libs and Change who only have identities as a remain entity. If they were serious about compromise they'd have done so tonight
No deal is probably the only outcome now. Maybe time for another round of Maybot failure and parliament failure.
The way that all of the parties are behaving in these indicative votes is an absolute joke. From Labour to Tories to the CUKs to the pointless dems to the faux-Europhile zealots in the SNP.
Someone should sort out a list of all the MPs who voted against May's deal and against no deal Brexit, and then went on to (twice!) vote against or abstain from customs union and/or common market and/or second referendum.
The way that all of the parties are behaving in these indicative votes is an absolute joke. From Labour to Tories to the CUKs to the pointless dems to the faux-Europhile zealots in the SNP.
Someone should sort out a list of all the MPs who voted against May's deal and against no deal Brexit, and then went on to (twice!) vote against or abstain from customs union and/or common market and/or second referendum.
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That's because he's from a time when politicians actually had some form of head on their shoulders, as much as I disagree with him on alot of things. We've now traded Ronaldo for Owen and that one with the massive face.
Feck everything about the current Labour party. The Tories I no faith in and never had, but every time you get a little hope that Labour might get something they do feck all. No deal the only outcome now I imagine
This is like fecking Groundhog Day isn't it?
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Well that's officially put the nail in Labour's coffin for me. Might finally vote for the Tartan Tories. At least my dad will be proud of me.
I'm not sure, but I think they're pretty set against anything other than a hard no-deal Brexit.
Last Wednesday, when Oliver Letwin suggested they have a second round of indicative votes, you could hear some of them saying it was just a waste of time. I think they've just said bollocks to the whole thing and will vote against anything hoping we crash out.
Groundhog May.
Come on now. They have been substantially more left leaning under Nicola than the previous Labour government, nevermind the hard right Tories of present.
Sure feels like it
Groundhog May.
Does that make her husband Punxsutawney Phil-ip May?
Maybe on Wednesday they could try Motion Negative G: Parliamentary Supremacy 2.0 - If no proposal backed by the 11th hour Parliament should vote on the proposal to revoke. If it fails to pass, we have a no deal Brexit. Ultimately this seems to be the choice before them anyway. Not taking this fallback is just a futile effort at avoiding responsibility.
I guess I forget that nobody can read my mind, but the Tartan Tories thing is something that I've never believed in myself, I just mentioned it because Gordon Brown once called my dad one.
If any of the motions won tonight could May have just ignored it?
It would bring some comfort if this missed opportunity would have been in vain.
It would bring some comfort if this missed opportunity would have been in vain.
Yes, she would have ignored it unless something won by a landslide.