Your frustration is understandable. I find unnerving that the first ones that will have to feel the consequences of the referendum counts a lot of people that didn't ask for it. It started with foreigners being abused during the first weeks following the referendum and now it's the british and EU citizens living abroad.
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Your frustration is understandable. I find unnerving that the first ones that will have to feel the consequences of the referendum counts a lot of people that didn't ask for it. It started with foreigners being abused during the first weeks following the referendum and now it's the british and EU citizens living abroad.
I don't think he'll engage with it at all.
UK so close to deciding what they want. EU must surely be convinced.
So... are you out yet?
This is exactly what he'll do.
They're waiting to be pushed.
I think for PR reasons he will have to show some sort of willing. Even if he later walks away saying the offer was made in bad faith and May wasn't willing to compromise.
Possibly... He could say there is no need for talks... There is a process in the house and if may gives her cabinet a free vote they can find a majority amongst all parties for an option and blame her for its failure so far... Problem is they might agree no brexit or a referendum which Corbyn seems to want to avoid
Wow. That was impressive. Seven hours of Cabinet meeting and the stunning conclusion is precisely what many have been calling for for months; for the Tories to try to seek a common approach with the opposition.
Brilliant idea eh. Wish I had thought of that...
Corbin says he’s ‘very happy’ to meet her. Sure Jezza, I bet you’re ecstatic..
4 days after the UK should have left.
However, what do you seriously expect to come out of it.
Yes, yes - for appearance's sake he'll take a meeting, but this is a rather obvious trap that I don't see Labour falling for.
So the sum total of your hardship is £100 and it’s partly the EU’s fault, or am I missing something?
He is a no win situation though. He cannot say no and if he doesn't agree with TM then again it will be him who will be blamed.
At least we might get to see how clever he really is. Or should I say how devious he really is.
You are definitely missing a great deal. His peace of mind and life?
Fair enough but he can stay for £100?
I don't think the money is the point really. Moreover he couldn't even vote. His future being decided by some xenophobic numpties would rile me up too.
Getting rid of this current government is in the best interests of the country
The EU has changed over time. It's clear UK wants the old style and to cherry pick the current one. Freedom of Movement seems to have been a big issue in case you hadn't noticed.
Also there's been talks about a EU army now the UK is leaving.
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Fair enough, perhaps I was being insensitive, sorry.
I still reckon Cameron will probably go down as the worst overall. Those who already disapproved of his economics will view him as a fairly destructive figure who created the conditions for Brexit in the first place by driving people into poverty through needless austerity, and any arguments he did it for the good of the economy have basically been covered by an ocean of piss in the last few years.
May's undoubtedly horrendous, and made the mistake of basically going full-on, Lee Cattermole hard Brexit the moment she stepped into office when she knew it was never achievable, but she was probably always fecked irrespective of what path she took, even if her stubbornness has damned her to a far greater extent than was necessary.
Overall I can see her being remembered as a weird oddity, someone whose entire premiership was dominated by an issue over which she had little control, maybe a bit like Eden in that regard - albeit without the gravitas he'd perhaps built up beforehand.
I think there's a solid argument that while she was viewed as one of the government's more competent and experienced main figures before taking over, that her spell as Home Secretary was worse than her time as PM. Someone who spent years scapegoating migrants and blaming them for the country's ills while failing to even approach her targets to reduce immigration, and also someone who largely established the political conditions which preceded Windrush.
I wish that I had not become so cynical....
There are two outcomes.
One would be for a genuine common purpose to be established and a compromise that both parties would be prepared to vote for in order to put country before party. Something you call a Unicorn.
The other would be effectively the inverse with the primary objective being to lay all the blame for failing on Labour.
What is your view my friend.
I know a lot of people who are extremely worried about their future, health care, pensions and all the rest.
Thats quite true you dont have a clue how its all going to pan out and what will happen and what will be needed and as for the money fine its only a 100€ but its the principle in 1996 I got an unbefristeten Aufenthaltserlaubnis for EWG states which means that its permanent then because of the changes in the EU where one wasnt needed until Brexit now I can pay again why is how I look at it
you dont have a clue how its all going to pan out and what will happen and what will be needed and as for the money fine its only a 100€ but its the principle in 1996 I got an unbefristeten Aufenthaltserlaubnis for EWG states which means that its permanent then because of the changes in the EU where one wasnt needed until Brexit now I can pay again why? is how I look at it and yes due to changes you could say that the EU do have a little to do with it but the main portion is the UK.
I just think it's an attempt at delay and laying more blame on Corbyn.
I'm trying to think of something they will come up with together which is actually possible and actually helps the situation and I can't think what it could be.
Only worry I have is my UK pension for 14 years I paid in, in Germany I have been part of the German pension and health schemes since I started working here.
It's not clear at all.
Every single current mp should be lined up outside no.10 at dawn with a blindfold and a cigarette, and asked for their last words as a warning to the next lot of the consequences of self serving, double dealing and putting party Interests and their own interests above the needs of the country. Cameron as well. Absolute shower of bastards.
The EU can’t afford to “push the Uk out the door” that is why they want a deal, that is why they still want to tie us in to some form of closer relationship than a hard brexit offers and tit for tat tariff wars.
Either way, Gordon Brown's getting a boost out of it.
Fair enough Rob, I was unappreciative of how the uncertainty would affect you.
I have no problem with thisAnd me with a 50 calibre Mauser quoting Quake 3 shouting head shot
Basically the second coming of Attlee at this point.
The EU can afford it. The UK can’t. Both get hurt but we get hurt a feckload more than them. How is this not clear to everyone by now?
It'll be irritating for them but they're be able to afford it, relatively speaking, even if there's a small dent. I think their much larger concern is - as has been alluded to - the Irish border issue which will be a major headache for all sides in case of a No Deal Brexit.
Yes. I agree. Fantastic goal by McTominay by the way.
Far more fun than the dreaded Brexit.