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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?


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Nick Boles:

That's typically the kind of things that he should have said a lot earlier when the UK had a lot of time to seriously fix its internal problems. That's why I hate politicians.
 
like one of those Russian field marshals in Tolstoy’s War and Peace, who wins by sitting on his horse and doing nothing, Corbyn’s generalship has, for now, caused the enemy to break and panic.

Once Tory ministers posed in the power stance. Soon they will find out what the no-power stance feels like.
 
I think there also needs to be an understanding it's not only stopping people coming to the UK... It's also taking away everybody right to live and work in Europe as well.
Oh? How so? Explain please how someone outside the eu has no right to work in the eu.
 
Oh? How so? Explain please how someone outside the eu has no right to work in the eu.
My point is I regularly work in Holland Italy France Norway Spain and Germany... And probably Poland soon as well.
I'm lucky as whatever paperwork and cost there is to continue to do this my company will pick up... My son... Well hes had the automatic right to work and live in any of these countries traded to "stop immigruntz" etc... I just think people only really talk about immigration in terms of stopping Johnny foreigner and not the trade off for that which is the reduction in opportunities throughout Europe for UK citizens and especially in my opinion the next generation.

That said my son's fluent in Chinese so he will probably be ok by the time he grows up
 
My point is I regularly work in Holland Italy France Norway Spain and Germany... And probably Poland soon as well.
I'm lucky as whatever paperwork and cost there is to continue to do this my company will pick up... My son... Well hes had the automatic right to work and live in any of these countries traded to "stop immigruntz" etc... I just think people only really talk about immigration in terms of stopping Johnny foreigner and not the trade off for that which is the reduction in opportunities throughout Europe for UK citizens and especially in my opinion the next generation.

That said my son's fluent in Chinese so he will probably be ok by the time he grows up
Ok you haven't explained your incorrect previous statement.
 
that was the confirmatory ref vote not the peoples vote amendment which was a blanket second ref
Which votes were these? The only thing approaching a people's vote amendment that I can recall was the one they whipped to abstain on.

(Genuine Q, entirely possible I've missed something with the multiplicity of amendments these days)
 
that was the confirmatory ref vote not the peoples vote amendment which was a blanket second ref

Even the confirmatory vote was on any deal agreed by the house. It was whipped upon.

For me if he agrees to taking it off the table in a next round of indicative transferable votes then he's done. He should insist it remains and whip for it.

If he gets a Labour style deal offered flat out then he'd have to take it but that's not going not happen anyway. Just posturing
 
Ok you haven't explained your incorrect previous statement.

I assume that it depends on countries but you have no right to work in France until you have a carte de séjour salarié/travailleur or a resident card. EU citizens don't need it and simply have the right to work.
 
Which votes were these? The only thing approaching a people's vote amendment that I can recall was the one they whipped to abstain on.

(Genuine Q, entirely possible I've missed something with the multiplicity of amendments these days)
Labour abstained on the doomed TIG vote pre-preference votes because it was daft and the peoples vote organizers said as much. They whipped for Becket both times.

I thought that was on the docket for the preference votes but it wasn't (thanks to losing in parliament before the preference votes)
For me if he agrees to taking it off the table in a next round of indicative transferable votes then he's done. He should insist it remains and whip for it.
that's what's happened consistently
 
Even the confirmatory vote was on any deal agreed by the house. It was whipped upon.

For me if he agrees to taking it off the table in a next round of indicative transferable votes then he's done. He should insist it remains and whip for it.

If he gets a Labour style deal offered flat out then he'd have to take it but that's not going not happen anyway. Just posturing
Yup this is true, though still wouldn't have held sway if the government changed, and given I just watched Andy McDonald refuse to confirm that they wanted one for any deal I remain confused.
 
Third reading of Cooper's motion passed by 1 vote (313 vs 312).

Red-faced twat Mark Francois immediately up on his feet calling it "a constitutional outrage".
 
I still don't know what's going on but this sounds like good news. I genuinely remain clueless at this entire situation.
 
Ok but has no deal actually been prevented? I assume the answer is no

No. But the PM will be compelled to ask for an extension and the House will have the ability to amend the period of extension she asks for.

The EU could of course refuse any extension she asks for.
 
The EU have already said there will be no short delay as it will impact on the European Elections.
 
The EU have already said there will be no short delay as it will impact on the European Elections.

Yes. She'll be forced to ask for a longer one. No guarantee the EU would allow that either of course, but if they did, we would have to take part in EU elections.
 
Yes. She'll be forced to ask for a longer one. No guarantee the EU would allow that either of course, but if they did, we would have to take part in EU elections.
Yes and with no valid reason for requesting one, they'll refuse.

If they grant a long extension and then May gets ousted in favour of someone like Boris or Mogg, then they know it's a no deal brexit straight off.
 
Yes and with no valid reason for requesting one, they'll refuse.

If they grant a long extension and then May gets ousted in favour of someone like Boris or Mogg, then they know it's a no deal brexit straight off.

A bigger mystery than Ashley Young being captain is how Boris Johnson is even remotely close to being an MP.
 
Yes and with no valid reason for requesting one, they'll refuse.

If they grant a long extension and then May gets ousted in favour of someone like Boris or Mogg, then they know it's a no deal brexit straight off.
Does this then strengthen Corbyn's position? he knows May needs to go ask for an extension with something concrete. Could Corbyn force May to go with some of his demands?