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Which is why the ERG are terrified of a 2nd referendum. At best, they'd get a very watered down Brexit. At worse, A50 would be revoked.
This thread continues to amuse. 
Nope. There is no historical data on what would happen if the Earth flew into the sun. So until you provide historical data, Im going to think it’s a great idea.
Vidic blood & sand out ownin’ the libs tonight apparently.
So basically the Spanish government has done more to help the British people in Spain deal with Brexit than the British government has done to help British people in Britain deal with it.
Yeah people are all certain of the doom and gloom. The recession is coming, and the brexit chaos is gonna sweep us all away.
We're doomed!
I'm glad you find this absolute mess amusing. Go VB&S!
It is only how big a disaster it Is going to be that is debatable as it is already an economic, social and political disaster of fairly epic proportions.
The mess is the government not carrying out the will of the 51.5%.
Political disaster yes, because parliament doesn't want us to leave. They have blocked no deal, and voted against all deals.
Economic hits are coming one after the other and debatably a lack of confidence has also resulted in lower spending that has pushed vulnerable businesses like Debenham's to the brink. Other firms are leaving our shores or preparing to do so. And socially is has been a clusterfeck.
It's being blocked by hard leavers ffs
Rubbish. The mess was started by ludicrous political bribery from Cameron that backfired. May has doubled down by being so wildly incompetent as to agree to leave without a plan to do so and then without a willingness to build a political consensus untill mins before we lurch out.
And I very much doubt that all this time later (neatly the time between GEs) there is a majority in favor.
The reason a 2nd vote is so opposed by many has feck all to do with championing democracy and everything to do with ERG types knowing that it would result in either staying or the softest of soft Brexits.
Unbelievable.
The country voted to leave, and you see it as a backfired policy. How democratic. Cameron was forced to include the referendum in his manifesto because EU skepticism was gaining so many votes for UKIP, and he wanted to win them over.
It's being blocked by hard leavers ffs
May's deal has been rejected by leavers because they don't see it as leaving. However, some are preferring it now to remaining, as an alternative.
It wasn't a backfired policy. It was a backfired political bribe to keep the hard right of the Tory party onside. He wasn't forced to do anything. He made a gamble that looked like a sure thing and he was horribly wrong.
As a remainer it was obviously a gamble, but in order to win over the UKIP voters and get a majority government, he promised a referendum. He saw the EU as flawed and in need of reform because the British people were showing their dissatisfaction. Internal party differences have been a factor for years.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21148282
They're panicking that they've overplayed their hand, yes. But there's still a hardcore who are blocking it. It's not remainers stopping this happening, there are enough votes from those who backed it last time and brexiters to put it through.
Apart from the fact that those hard brexiteers have failed to articulate in these 3 years a solution to the Irish border problem that works with their vision of Brexit, the no-deal Brexit they are now championing comes up in all polls as the least desirable option among the electorate. Therefore their "plan" is not only unworkable, but undemocratic too.
Yet somehow they are morally in the right according to you.
If you listen to what Cameron says at 2:34, he explains that the referendum would be to stay in the EU or come out altogether.
It's very clear what the referendum was about, and the government is now overruling the democratic vote. Doesn't this trouble any of you?
@vidic blood & sand do you think we're going to revoke article 50 then?
Politicians sometimes seem stupid, but they are not really stupid.
Is it possible that all political parties have agreed (long time ago!) that leaving the EU is not a good idea and it will not happen, and all the drama of the past two years is just theatrics?
Is it possible that all political parties have agreed (long time ago!) that leaving the EU is not a good idea and it will not happen, and all the drama of the past two years is just theatrics?
I think we're heading for a second vote. The EU, Labour, Lib Dems, and majority Conservatives want it. May has promised numerous times it won't happen, which means it's guaranteed to happen. Probably next year after an extension. The EU would agree to an extension if there was a re-vote.
It troubles me that the leave campaigns used blatant lies as propaganda and made promises that could never be fulfilled to earn a narrow victory bloated by a demographic that won’t have to live very long with the consequences of their poorly informed / outright misinformed decision.
We’ve learnt the damage it would cause so literally the only non self harming decision left is to pull the plug on it. The blowjob from a Piranha analogy is most befitting. The saddest thing is that there’s actual pig headed nob heads out there would would be on TV shouting “ THATS WHAT WE VOTED FOR, YOU LOST WE WON NOW GERRONWIVIT IT AND GIVE ME MY PIRANAH BLOWJOB” if the scenario was real.
Since you asked. Well firstly referenda are non-binding and Cameron along with his cabinet are no longer in govt so his words on this matter little. But still, from my POV, the decision taken by the public to trigger A50 can only be reversed by the public. Hence I'm for giving a confirmatory referendum with the options of: No Deal, May/Corbyn's Deal and Revocation as the options. Rather than government revoking on their own.
I don't see how that would be a failure of democracy then. Especially when you take into account that most claims found in the Leave.EU manifesto have proven to be lies and the campaign were found to have cheated as well.
Leavers were not deceived and misinformed. The remainers were misinformed with project fear, which didn't happen.
No. Trying to get a hopelessly divided Parliament, led by a woefully inept PM, to honour the impossible promises of a fraudulent Brexit campaign, was always going to result in this kind of acrimony and chaos.
if we do that I hope the brexiters put a plan in place this time so people know what they're actually voting for
The plan was in place, but a remainer fecked it up. The focus changed to securing a deal, which has become more important than actually leaving.
That doesn't sound like an undemocratic tragedy
what was the plan in your eyes? Leave without a deal?
That was quite good. Unsurprising but good. Doesn't paint a rosy picture for the unemployed British people. What exactly is the plan for the low skilled, under educated, possibly stupid people who vote for snake oil? Or to knowingly sabotage a club they've been pushed to the periphery of? Other than calling them idiots
You can't do anything about stupid people . You can do something about their children.
It make sense now
What? Are we back to talking about 'voluntary' euthanasia again? (I just dont know what to expect from this thread anymore)