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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
This is where you give us your pick.
What odds can I get on Yvette Cooper or David Miliband?
How would I know, but there are 66 million people in the UK, surely someone must be capable of being a better leader than Corbyn, after all the bar is not very high.
I think it will Be thornberry and she's also the bookies favourite
https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-labour-leader
20/1 and 50/1 respectively on your picks
Well if the bar isn't very high and you've 66 million other options then it shouldn't be too hard for you to give us just a couple of names.
This reminds me of when I went to some far-flung country and the chap said I have a cousin who lives in London, do you know him.
On the other hand, those MPs I've seen on the news or in parliament, not impressed by any of them.
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The inventor of imaginary wheelchairs for medical assessments sitting in 6th place. How terrifying.
Are you just bad at remembering things.
Who was the last politician you were impressed by ?
Betfair have Tony Blair at 50/1, that's better odds than they give for Jess Phillips.
I've been to so many I can't remember in which one it was.
Hadn't followed UK politics for many years until Brexit raised it's head in 2015.
If the current lefty leaders are shit I think it's up to the lefties themselves to come up with someone better that they like, not ask everyone else what they think.
Fair enough.
Sick of this country, it's petty politics and it's petty little squabbling people. Continuously presented with various shades of shite to pick from and we barely make a squeak in protest. fecking pathetic.
Richard burgon at 66/1
If there was only 66 people left in the UK he should still be longer odds than 66/1
I'll stick with Corbyn, cheers.
Would still have him ahead of the personification of evil that is Yvette Cooper.
To be honest, I think he would probably be a much better leader than Corbyn. More prgramatic, much smarter and has a lot more interesting outlook of what leftist economics should look like.
I’m ready for a hard left Labour leader, but all this ‘comrade!’ shit is making me tired. Capitalism is straining against its limits, and there has to be a socialist answer that doesn’t involve traveling back in time to the 70’s for answers. The Nordics seem to manage it just fine.
Honestly this kinda of stuff makes my veins explode. Just read labour alternative models of ownership -
https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Alternative-Models-of-Ownership.pdf
And
https://newsocialist.org.uk/labours-alternative-models-of-ownership-report/
The Labour Party is NOT trying to go back to the 70's.
1960's. I forced myself to read that. We did a school project very similar to that in the 1960s regarding co-operatives and automation .
I have also experienced worker input into decision making in France - quel désastre!
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He was voted in by Labour members twice. It doesn't matter who their leader is. The media will NEVER allow a Labour governemnt unless it is led by somebody like Blair who went straight to paying off the papers when he was elected leader, but frankly, that essentially leaves a shoot out between the Tories and the Tories reserves.
I'd genuinely be fascinated to see what's happening behind the scenes within the Scottish Tories right now. While she was never going to get into power at Holyrood, Davidson had some a decent job at being a presentable if vacuous face for them up north who'd at least restored them to a respectable position as primary defenders of the union, a party that could muster 10 or so seats and offer a decent contribution to their overall Westminster party.
But it's difficult to see where she stands now. She's spineless enough to basically placate Tory demands down south (despite her previous grandstanding against Boris) but it's hard for her to defend the union when the rest of her party have basically decided they don't care anymore. And in time I wonder if we'll see a more Brexiteer-esque Scottish Tory make a leadership bid to try and unseat her. The party make take a solid turn to the right and aim to be a full-on pro-Brexit party for about the 10-15% of the population who'd back them...mostly rural dwellers in the south and a few other areas and your Orange Orange drum-beating types.
Interesting to watch.
How could he possibly do a worse job than Boris or May? And Cameron idiotically got us in to this mess in the first place. I'd prefer someone else but the idea that Corbyn is beyond the pale and Boris isn't, is as ludicrous as it is laughable.
So why aren't I laughing?
You’re not laughing because we are all seriously in trouble. I like Corbyn, but it’s clear that no Labour Party will ever be allowed to win a general election, whether it’s him or any other leader.
You’re not laughing because the choice of new prime minister is Boris or Jeremy Hunt. One who in his own words will decrease taxes on the rich and stuck up for the bankers in 2008, or one who’s systematic destruction of the NHS has left it wide open to be sold off (and will be)
You’re not laughing because In 4 months time we will leave the one source of protection the every day working class have Left. I really hope I am wrong about all of this, but I’m not and I know it.
You’re not laughing because it really isn’t funny.
With a memory like yours Paul I'm not sure how trust worthy this information is.
Allowed to win...
So your saying there will be some Illuminati rigging of elections?
Because I'm pretty sure they did win 3 elections in a row fairly recently
So perhaps the bigger problem is the fact that the majority of the electorate have seen enough of Corbyn and simply don't rate him
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And that is the irony of the current situation.
The Tories have badly let the country down with their incompetence and continued infighting.
Now more than ever we need a credible opposition but due to their incompetence, the Labour party is being led by a leader who for many reasons is almost unelectable.
Talk about the wrong person at the wrong time.
And that is always a problem when a party is out of government for so long. The media only focuses on the leader.
The only way to break that issue is to elect a leader with leadership qualities.
Corbyn unfortunately is not a leader. He is simply the puppet of Momentum.
If I were to nominate someone to lead the Labour party then Hillary Benn is one of a very few that I would support.
Because I can't remember in which country someone said something to me? My memory would scare you, not yet a doddery old fool.
I remember it very well, we even went to Ford Dagenham to see the latest automation, not on the original date because they were on strike that day, surprise!
The vision of 50 years ago . Amongst other things we designed houses for the future, year 2000 , haha. Nationalisation of everything.One of the funniest things was now that automation was taking over what would people do in their spare time and how people would have money. Before I decided to take early retirement I was working beteen 50 to 80 hours a week, so much spare time.
At the time Harold Wilson was PM and the UK was in deep sh!t.
As for the worker input - In France we had regular meetings with workers representatives, if it wasn't so serious it would have been comical looking from the outside. Most of the time they would argue with each other and insulting each other and very few had a clue of how to run a business. Bit like putting a referendum to a country and letting the people decide foreign policy, international trade etc when they haven't a clue what they are doing.
Julia Hartley-Brewer has 'hit the nail', so to speak. Whatever views people have on 'the Union' the fact remains the UK overall voted Leave and overall it should carry that through. Of course there were differences, in places Remain had the biggest share, but overall as a United Kingdom its was leave that won out. The problem is the party ruling Scotland wants to Remain in the EU, but not in the UK and if that is the majority view of the populace in Scotland then it should be able to do just that.
In NI it seems to be the other way around, the majority (it seems)want to stay in both 'Unions', the UK and the EU, this is not that easy to sort out because of Brexit and ultimately the people in NI will have to choose one or the other.
Look I get it you've owned two businesses, you clearly think your smarter than anyone else, business is built because of strong individuals, workers can't run business's, something something stop buying iPhones = more housing. Your never going to vote for the current Labour Party in any form because due to your own history and your class status, voting for labour is not in your interest. Which is fine(Although it's really not as capitalism is killing the earth).
As any good lefty should know automatisation itself isn't freeing if the class relationships are still the same. So the reason you were working 50 to 80 hours a week is down to again the C word. Sorry.
This is just a argument against democracy.
Scotland and NI should join Southern Ireland in a Celtic Union.
Agreed
That's a good summary.
No I ran three businesses (not owned although had small shareholding in two ), businesses work by having the right individuals who are capable and know what they're doing. It doesn't matter their background as long as they know what they are doing. If the lowest classed worker has a brilliant idea, it would have been most welcome. As for class status my parents were cockneys, my father was clever and worked his way up from office boy making the tea to financial controller. I went to public school not because my parents could afford it but as you say I'm smarter than anyone else and didn't have to pay anything.
Too many assumptions.
I'm not going to vote Labour because I no longer live there but watching as the Tories go further right and Labour further left is sad to watch.
Sorry but everyone being equal and some being more equal than others doesn't work.
Democracy is not giving people who don't know what they are doing the possibility of changing the course of a country or a company , it is gross stupidity.
@Paul the Wolf
You went to public school! Christ if you told me this at the start of the converstation I wouldn't of had to waste the last hour.
Public school boy who hates the Labour Party, shock horror.
You went to public school! Christ if you told me this at the start of the converstation I wouldn't of had to waste the last hour.
Public school boy who hates the Labour Party, shock horror.
He couldn't have picked a better thread to highlight the fallibility of democracy tbf.
Public school boy who voted Labour four months after he left said school. You're too prejudiced.
Never know you might find some communists who went to Cambridge.