I never realised how much the Lib Dems actually campaigned for the referendum in the first place, and now Swinson has the cheek to come out and say Cameron must never be forgiven for calling one!
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I never realised how much the Lib Dems actually campaigned for the referendum in the first place, and now Swinson has the cheek to come out and say Cameron must never be forgiven for calling one!
Like the vast majority of people I have always realised the Lib Dems are a massive hypocritical joke.
Of course not. Doesn't mean he fecked up right royally by using a referendum for internal party political reasons and we all got bitten in the arse by it.
Even nationalised industries need to either make a profit, or at least break even, if not then someone somewhere is carrying an unfair burden. The secret isn't nationalisation, its knowing how to meet the demand for a service or industry that has major variations across the country or, in its base customer requirements.
Over my lifetime its arguably been shown that Governments are not the best people at doing this (e.g. can't even sort out Brexit!!)
Has the Lib Dems altered the voting dynamics at the next GE by coming out with a revoke policy? Strikes me that it would be very damaging for Labour, as now an election becomes virtually a Referendum itself with Tories or Brexity Party for Brexit and Lib Dems for Remain as the two polar choices. I can't see why now a Remainer would choose Labour over Libs. But also any Leaver would now no longer be looking at either Lib or Lab and be forced to choose Tories or Brexit Party. So Labour lose both Remainers and Leavers. Strikes me this is a recipe for a Tory majority.
Bring back Vince Cable, at least the Lib-dems can blame this stupidity on him reaching his dotage.
The LD party got slated for changing its mind on Tution fees, but at least it was the smaller party in a coalition Government, its now changing its mind to attract carpetbagging former Tory MPs. Does Swinson seriously believe she will drag more than a handful of remainers from Labour, any she gets from Tories won't be enough!
I believe so, but I was unaware of the extent to which they actively campaigned for one beforehand.
You have to look at the seats to draw such a conclusion and largely the lib dems aren't going to suddenly take random seats. Nor is everyone going to vote on brexit lines. They don't expect a majority.
Obviously they've chosen this path because it works for them strategically but it's not a very lib dem like approach at all. They've spent years saying younger voters should get a say and that FPTP is unfair yet they'll now supposedly use it to give themselves a direct mandate rather than a fairer approach of every vote counting and legislating for 16 and 17 year olds to get the vote. If they won a majority surely remain would win a referendum anyway and if they're not confident of that then it isn't democratic is it?
We may well see it make a reappearance - it seems that a flaw in the "Benn Act" (an Act specifically designed to stop No Deal), actually leaves a clear pathway to No Deal.
https://waitingfortax.com/2019/09/15/the-flaw-in-the-benn-act/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
One assumes that Johnson and his advisers are fully aware of this flaw.
Flip flop. Classic Lib Dems. How anyone falls for it is beyond me.
Not really much of a flaw, if the WA passes it would be incredible for the PM to then take us out with no deal anyway.
Incredible, but legal, seemingly.
Brexit: UK offers no solution to replace backstop, says EU
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49709430
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49709430
I for one am shocked!
Bloody EUrons (Morons lmfao) doing nothing but moan moan MOAN. This is exactly why we need to get OUT right now and stop dithering. Or something.
Well its safe to say the Lib Dems are no longer irrelevant judging by the effort going into trying to discredit them lately.
If memory serves they wanted a referendum to confirm that being in Europe was both democratic and still in our best interests, but that they would campaign for Remain. Hard not to see that as a good idea in hindsight to be honest.
I don't think many people would be against the idea.
The problem is that if you want an efficient system someone has to pay for it, just like everything else. If people's memories are long enough, British Rail were atrocious , the service was poor, lines were closed because they didn't pay their way and it was losing a fortune nearly every year since it was nationalised back in the 40s.
Nationalising the network is not necessarily going to give a better service.
Luxembourg PM has just ripped the Tories a new one.
Looks like the Hulk ducked the press conference. The Luxembourg PM was furious.
Michael Deacon said:
Sums Johnson up . All words
Instead of the Incredible Sulk he decided to come as the Invisible Man
We are being bantered.
Don't think I have seen a more disastrous first three weeks as PM.
Yup, people have very short memories.
As I’ve pointed out before, privatization of railways can work. Just check out the example of Japan, everything you can ask for and more due to the privatization.
British rail is like bingo for nationalisation. Well done for thinking of an example that didn't work, remember that argument where we all said nationalisation works every time and has always done so? No me neither
That's Japan though, unfortunately we are a bunch of incompetent fools in comparison to Japan.
It's nice to see Kuennsberg performing admirably in her role as
Remembering Dr Beeching and why he was asked to 'sort things'?
I suppose its true if you stand still long enough everything comes around again. Back to the future, nationalise the Railways... what next rationing books? Oh no, that might happen if we can't get fresh food after Brexit, especially if remainer subs are patrolling the Atlantic, torpedo's at the ready! That's a point, do we still have a Merchant Navy?
There are protests outside downing street everyday.
Apparently extending to not remembering how crap the privately owned trains are currently.
The BBC are just awful.
They are. I find Kuennsberg in particular to be especially obsequious to anything related to the views and interests of who resides in No. 10 Downing Street.
We've been being bantered for 3 years. Banter nation over here.
Its been posted million times on here but the Chomsky interview with Andrew Marr showed just how useless the ''big named'' BBC journalists are.