But this has been the line from the beginning - the UK saying "we're leaving, you deal with the consequences" - it's just not acceptable, the Uk have to respect their responsibilities, they can't impose it on Ireland or the rest of the EU. They've got to deal with the EU and the Rest of the World afterwards and will not show in a good light in future relationships. If the UK leave, fine, but it means NI stay in the CU/SM. The rest of the world is not subjected to the brainwashing by the UK media, fortunately.
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But this has been the line from the beginning - the UK saying "we're leaving, you deal with the consequences" - it's just not acceptable, the Uk have to respect their responsibilities, they can't impose it on Ireland or the rest of the EU. They've got to deal with the EU and the Rest of the World afterwards and will not show in a good light in future relationships. If the UK leave, fine, but it means NI stay in the CU/SM. The rest of the world is not subjected to the brainwashing by the UK media, fortunately.
What an awful attitude to have. Quite insulting too.
To be fair, I think our economies are fecked either way in the event of a no-deal brexit.
Who cares at this point who is at fault. This is why this situation is not resolved as people would sooner play the blame game and give no consideration for compromise without finger pointing and name calling.
Pretty childish.
No, that's not what the proposal is. You can't be in Single Market and not in the Customs Union. The former is a tighter form of integration than the latter. It's like saying I'm staying in London but not the UK.
The proposal is to be essentially out of both with some special arrangements for the various markets (mostly agri stuff) and customs checks put in places. Stormont to get some form of veto on new regulations too.
From the people I described? Totally agree with you.
Norway is in the single market but not the customs union.
I think Boris is under instructions from his hedge fund and tax avoidance mates to leave at all costs. His spending plans will collapse if the UK leave the EU.
There are so many things the UK will lose including these projects.. The problem is they won't become apparent especially to the general public until it's too late and the UK have left.
And has a hard border.
Each of the 28 current EU members have the right to leave the block. The GFA means that for the UK it is 50 times more difficult (if not impossible) without breaking that agreement or the integrity of the EU.
Lets say the UK stays. Surely the EU would have to address this issue. Like, what if, later on Ireland decided to leave? Would a remaining UK be obliged to put a border up? It couldn't under the GFA.
Or do we say that neither the UK or Ireland can leave the EU - unless it is together.
It is Hotel California - for those two nations at least. That cannot be right.
Not disputing that.
Apart from you know, the ever growing union of European members Britain seems so keen to break free of.
The cognitive dissonance of some Brits during this entire process has been fascinating to watch.
No from you. So I'm a self righteous cnut as I'm from the UK (or England). Not a particularly nice or productive thing to say.
I'm not sure you're right. See Norway.
that's not what I said, though.
It's the Uk trying to blame Ireland and the EU. Johnson's proposal is total hogwash, it's that ridiculous, there's nothing to compromise on in this proposal, it should not even be discussed and should have been thrown out by the EU immediately but they won't because they know BJ is trying to play the blame game on the EU.
How many people in the UK have been convinced that this proposal this is even possible? Quite a few by the sound of it.
So what were you trying to say?
I wasn't trying to say anything, my statement was perfectly clear. It only applies to those who voted for Brexit and those who continue to try push it through.
I think everyone in the UK is sick to the back teeth of it. I'm not a fan of the current government, far from it, but I also think it's quite obvious the EU have been equally as difficult and awkward over the past few years and now it's all coming to a head. Let's be perfectly clear it's a complete and utter mess but there needs to be compromise on both sides of the table given no one wants to see issues within Ireland.
What have the EU been difficult over, in your opinion?
So everyone who voted leave is a self righteous cnut in your opinion? So over half of the UK.
You see this kind of attitude and the blame game is partly why this whole situation is no further along.
As I said before. Childish.
I don't know the finer details of the negotiations but I do think it's pretty clear there's been limited compromise on both sides of the table. No one is suggesting the EU should bend over backwards to help get a deal but given the quite unique situation surrounding NI I do think they should be more flexible with regards to the single market etc.
You can't just have a one size fits all approach.
33% of the UK actually.
Blame game? There's only one group to blame here, the UK. Everything they've done including and since the referendum has been disgraceful.
Don't invade foreign countries then!!!
It's just the consequences of prior actions
So as I say, you're branding a huge chunk of the UK population as self righteous cnuts because they don't share your opinion?
No one cares about the blame game. How is it productive to carry on throwing about that attitude I'll never know.
Oh please.
It's true though.
It's like listening to US politicians complaining about not being able to get out of Iraq.
Whose fault is that?
This response perfectly sums up why your country is standing still on Brexit, ready to throw NI under the bus.
I could not have summed it up better than this
The EU as a trading bloc no problem. But, I feel that further political union as expressed by some will promote serious questions at nation level. The UK might be the villain in this piece but the EU needs to ask itself serious questions about it's direction of travel after this. Everyone here talks about the arrogance of the UK (or the English to be precise). But there is no shortage of arrogance with EU on some scores when you look back at events of the last 20 years. They are good at ignoring referendums and imposing massive austerity on members whenever they deem necessary. Don't get me wrong, I would rather stay in and reform. But, regardless of the assumption that half of the UK are mindless, racist morons, someone in Brussels should be asking how it managed to lose it's 2nd largest member and what it should be doing to prevent others from going the same way.
Yep. Pretty much any reason you could give for voting for brexit is a bad one.
What's this blame stuff you're on about? You're the one who brought up the word, not me.
The actions of the people of your country have potentially fecked up the fragile peace status in my country so forgive me for not sympathising.
You're going on about things from hundreds of years ago..
You hate the English. We get it. FFS. It's boring.
You gunned down civilians on the streets of NI a generation ago!
Deary me
Also nice typecasting there, another way to ignore the point and kick it down the road.
I do not hate the English so maybe apologise?
Yiiiiikes. Think you need to go for a few history lessons before arguing with Irish people.
The blame stuff as you put it is littered through the recent pages of this thread. That mixed with the likes of you calling others cnuts.
I can't see how any of these attitudes are productive in dealing with the actual issue at hand. You need to put personal bias aside.
Not really. That's what he referred to. I'm well aware of the history since that point.
You weren't talking about Bloody Sunday. You were talking about invasions and occupation.
It's not my job to deal with the issues at hand, why would I put my personal bias aside?
Was I?
Christ. Maybe we Brits should have a right go at the Danes for burning our villages and raping our women. When does it stop?