Who’s watching the charade on Question Time today?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
It's the equivalent of what used to be called 'the British stiff upper lip syndrome, all singing "Keep right on to the end of the Road".
Isn't the episode with 100% aged Brexiteers?
Yes, it is.
Sounds exciting to be watching so many open minds.
Personally I'm more surprised about that 30+26% still on the fence seven years later. It points to apparently anything sticking by and a good percentage of people not caring.
If you still think Starmer can afford to alienate that 61%, you’re mad.
If he thinks he's going to make brexit work, then he's mad. If he gets in at the next GE he's going to have a hell of a lot of explaining to do for five years, or however long he lasts.
Yes it will be a while yet before we get any momentum to rejoin that politicians can tap into. It's going to be "make the best of this situation" that's expected from the leaders. Probably 10 years of struggling to make it work would see some change, politicians and people in general need to learn and comprehend the EU rules that can't be undermined or cherry picked as that is what holds it together. The shit will have to hit the fan for real for an abrupt change.
A lot of the strong brexiters talked about a 5-10 year hit to the economy being worth it to be independent etc. We're 3 years after leaving but there's so many problems worldwide since and the Pound to Euro is at the same level range for the last 15 years, there's no definite sense except for minor issues. With all the upcoming technology changes, AI, cashless societies and credit living and god knows what other climate/migration issues it's difficult to see a stable timeline forming to judge the effects. We're all in for a turbulent time it seems.
It's the equivalent of what used to be called 'the British stiff upper lip syndrome, all singing "Keep right on to the end of the Road".
Starting at the end of next year, the road will start getting even rockier when the real Brexit comes into play. Just depends how far down the road they can put up with it. They'll probably turn back eventually as the road gets rougher.
My point isn't that there's any chance to return in the near future - just how long they want to prolong it by not acknowledging that it was an extremely bad idea (major understatement) and stop diversifying further.
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A lot of brexit regret in the room. Even those that people that still support it agree it’s shit.
When's Brexit going to start? What exactly is he expecting to happen? You've left - that was Brexit. Everything else is complete b*ll*x.
He doesn’t think that. I don’t know why you think he does.
Obviously you and I disagree. But he’s sloganeering to not marginalise the dickheads and racists.
Nothing he has ever said has suggested he thinks there’s an upside to Brexit. ‘Make Brexit Work’ is a defence mechanism. Not a policy.
Its working.
If he's lying just to get elected, why not just say he'll give a million pounds to everyone who votes for him. Neither is going to happen.
At some point in the next year a manifesto and policy will be drawn up, upon which people will vote. People will also not forget what he's been saying.
The most difficult years of the full introduction of Brexit (after the end of grace periods etc ) will start exactly around the time the next GE takes place at the end of next year.
I suspect the Tories will not be too unhappy to hand the reins to Labour during those years.
No, you don't understand. The £350M a year for the NHS isn't here yet, more people are being forced into poverty, and Britain is still completely shit. Naturally this means that Brexit hasn't started yet, because if it had then we'd all be wearing golden crowns and our willies will have gained an extra two inches.
History has taught us that wars and pandemics never happened before 2019. The war in Ukraine and COVID are why we don't have three inch willies yet.
They live among us
Yep the first thing to do when entering is straight into the benefits office.
He probably has seen it to be fair, as a headline on the Daily Mail website
Just as well Covid and Ukraine didn't affect people outside the UK. Everyone outside the Uk now have big willies, even the women.
She said she wanted to come out of Brexit. A convert.
I just looked outside and there's nobody standing on their roof with nothing on.
That QT, though a small sample, perfectly highlighted the (lack of) IQ from the majority of Brexit nuts. Serious question, was there even one serious Brexit supporter on the show that showed a hint of intelligence?
Oh dear.
We're still dealing with the initial fallout here in Italy - today I'm going to help a friend who has been caught up in the "stripping away of rights you enjoyed in your country of residence before Brexit". This time it's about exchange of driving licences, which previously we could do very easily by paying 100 euros. Even if you were able to pass an Italian driving test, the law here restricts new drivers to very low-powered vehicles for a lengthy period of time. Most Brits here living in the countryside have 4x4s, because you need them in the winter.
It's just one stressful thing after another.
It's just one stressful thing after another.
She has a literal vote.
Morbid curiosity overcame me, so I watched the QT Brexit special live. Not an advert for the best of Britain.
1:04 onwards is the most telling thing
"whatever you think about Brexit, you've got to get on with your neighbours right"
"If you have good trading relations with your neighbours you stand a lot better chance"
We had that and had a very good seat at the table but decided to tell them to stuff it. Some wanting to bend the arm of the EU with no cards to play and others imagining this easy world trade that is logistically harder, costlier and limited. You wouldn't put up barriers to trading with the next town for produce and services, why do it for our nearest neighbours on a country level?
Making it work...
London mayor’s office ‘banned’ from flying EU flag on referendum anniversary
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...from-flying-eu-flag-on-referendum-anniversary
London mayor’s office ‘banned’ from flying EU flag on referendum anniversary
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...from-flying-eu-flag-on-referendum-anniversary
There is no procedure for these people to even apply and be assessed then rejected if we deem fit. The only way is to enter the "illegally" then begin the process.
Ultimately this topic is being exacerbated by the policies of the Tory government so they can continue their "culture wars" and make people like you believe this is the number 1 issue in the UK.
I think she is hoping to see Robson and Jerome naked.
Yes quite, but that was because the UK was in EU, the Single Market and the Custom's Union with the 4 freedoms.
The UK doesn't want that, both Tories and Labour have said so. They've put up the barriers.
The UK has the best deal of any country with the EU. There is no renegotiation of the Withdrawal Agreement. The Northern Ireland Protocol is being resolved with the Windsor Framework.
There will be a small discussion about the TCA (Trade Agreement) in 2026 but don't see it benefitting the UK much. They may gain minor admission to Horizon and Security to a very limited extent which they would have to pay for.
Talk of Trade deals with the US and any other mystery countries is back to fantasy island talk and would actually make the UK worse off like the deals with Australia/NZ.
One of the many problems but a very large problem is the Custom's Union. The red tape is not going away. Furthermore the UK have not even started inspecting imports from the EU yet.
There is no evidence from Labour or Starmer that they're any more aware of what the problems of being outside the EU are since Day 1.
Maybe we have made a terrible mistake
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-2016-survey-finds?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-2016-survey-finds?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
I watched it on iPlayer, not quite live, that wasn't a good advert for best of Britain, it wasn't even a good one for best of Essex or even just best of Clacton, it doesn't bode well for the future!
Actually, I very much doubt it, IMO there are massive changes ahead for the UK, e.g. I feel that the NI issue will be settled by the formation of some kind of interim Irish Confederation, with the disappearance of the border, and leading eventually to a fully unified Ireland. That will have all sorts of repercussions in respect of trade, economics generally, and national budgets. Similarly even if the SNP goes 'belly up', the idea of the ending of the Union will take on more significance South of the border as well as North of it, as the 'delayed' Brexit (and Covid) effects come into play more strongly.
Its possible that in a quarter of a century England and Wales are the only two 'home nations' left, in the 'UK' with Scotland and Ireland (unified) as part of the EU, incidentally both will by then probably have their own written Constitution.
Any UK government of the foreseeable future will have to keep diversifying, it may not want to, but to survive it will have to grow more, make more, enlarge the service areas for export. etc. Acknowledgement of pass mistakes such as Alistair Campbell (last night on QT) is wanting a 'sack cloth and ashes apology' he is not going to get it and even if he did it would not alter anything, nothing at all. The 'Humpty-Dumpty' version of the UK has fallen off the EU wall, and will not be able to get back on again because it will fragment even further.
An English (maybe Welsh) written constitution is long over due and will happen at some point..... this is what Brexit will probably be remembered for a hundred years from now, i.e. the catalyst that led to the break up of the UK.
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This guy is such a cnut.
This twat still spouting his lies
Just after Labour win the next election. Hospital pass from the Tories to Labour who are promising to make brexit work. It doesn't work. Tories blame Labour for not making it work. Tories win the election after.