Bruno Fernandes | Contract Discussion

Bruno earns 240k per week. There is no reason for why the top earner at Manchester United should be on less than 300k. Otherwise we are actually not competitive.

I don't think our total wages are a big problem. It's who earns the money that matters. And that's where we have failed.
We have the 4th highest wage bill.
 
We have the 4th highest wage bill.

In the world? Well, we are at least the 4th biggest club in terms of name so that makes sense. And we are still a money machine are we not?

Out total wage output would be perfectly fine if the players were actually United quality.
 
Are we gonna get rid of all of them this summer?

And is it OK that the highest earner at Man United wouldn't be the highest earner for any of our rivals and not break the top 5 at City and barely break the top 10 at Real and Bayern?

We clearly have a wage structure problem. But the problem isn't someone like Bruno, who has proven his worth. The problem is the likes of Martial, Rashford and Casemiro being on crazy wages. The problem is that the likes of Mount earns more than Bruno!

We are not in the Champions League. And due to many years of overspending and neglect we not able to simply throw money around as much as before.
I don't think giving a raise to a player, even our best player, who is already on a 2+ year contract is financially sound.
We are not the finished product like Real at the moment, but rather in a transition.

If Bruno only had a year left I would agree with you, but given the length of his contract and our current situation I don't see any upside to a bumper contract.
 
In the world? Well, we are at least the 4th biggest club in terms of name so that makes sense. And we are still a money machine are we not?

Out total wage output would be perfectly fine if the players were actually United quality.
We are not 4th in terms of quality, performance, or success currently. Not anywhere near. it's a foolish clue who pays that much for so little.
 
In the world? Well, we are at least the 4th biggest club in terms of name so that makes sense. And we are still a money machine are we not?

Out total wage output would be perfectly fine if the players were actually United quality.

That’s absolutely the thing - our total wage bill is not representative of our output which is the crux of the issue.

We aren’t the Harlem Globetrotters, or a purely commercial outfit. In which case size and commercial viability should directly correlate to wage bill. We have to consider actual productivity in which case we are no where close on terms of wage balance.

We give dross mega money.
 
We are not 4th in terms of quality, performance, or success currently. Not anywhere near. it's a foolish clue who pays that much for so little.

So then we sell the players earning 300k (or more), make Bruno the top earner and replace the players in the 100k to 300k range who are not good enough. And obviously no new arrival should become the top earner unless they are prime Messi or some shit like that.

The solution is not to pay less than our rivals. Especially if we are not even willing to reward those who perform! What incentive is there then? The idea of signing hidden gems who only want to play for United is romantic, but not realistic.
 
So then we sell the players earning 300k (or more), make Bruno the top earner and replace the players in the 100k to 300k range who are not good enough. And obviously no new arrival should become the top earner unless they are prime Messi or some shit like that.

The solution is not to pay less than our rivals. Especially if we are not even willing to reward those who perform! What incentive is there then? The idea of signing hidden gems who only want to play for United is romantic, but not realistic.
He got a new contract last year. We can't throw money at our problem, we don't attract the top players even if we give Bruno a pay rise 1 year after the last.
 
He got a new contract last year.

Slight correction: 2 years ago.

We can't throw money at our problem

This is not throwing money at the problem. This is rewarding good players.

But I realise when I'm the minority. I don't think football should work the same way as regular businesses. Hell, I don't think regular businesses should work the way they do either, but that's a different discussion.
 
Slight correction: 2 years ago.



This is not throwing money at the problem. This is rewarding good players.

But I realise when I'm the minority. I don't think football should work the same way as regular businesses. Hell, I don't think regular businesses should work the way they do either, but that's a different discussion.
Ok 2 years.

He's being rewarded though. There is no real point to it. We are starting a huge rebuild, by the time we are a decent way into it he's going to have dropped in performance.
 
He's being rewarded though. There is no real point to it. We are starting a huge rebuild, by the time we are a decent way into it he's going to have dropped in performance.

Agree to disagree. 240k is not crazy low even for someone on his level, but based on his skills and status in United he could quite clearly earn more.

I understand it from a ruthless CEO point of view where the idea is to extract as much resources as possible whilst paying as little as possible. But from a purely meritocracy point of view I think a salary bump makes sense. And that's the point of view I'm going for. Call it naive, romantic or whatever. I think this approach would be beneficial in the long run if we also want a culture chance.
 
Am I missing any news on his contract extension or is it just media/agent speculation?
 
Am I missing any news on his contract extension or is it just media/agent speculation?

Just some bullshit a journalist cooked up to get clicks. Seems to have worked though.

It may, or may not, be true. The journalist will backtrack if not true, or claim some great insight if it turns out to be true.
 
Am I missing any news on his contract extension or is it just media/agent speculation?

I can’t work out what the feck is going on either. Which genius thought it would be a good idea to bump a thread about his last contract extension for an update on a new one? (which may or may not have actually happened!)
 
Your bumping a thread about a contract extension 2 years ago to talk about something that’s already being discussed across the forum. :confused:

Ha. I bumped a Bruno contract thread which reminds everyone (loads have not been aware) that he's got 2+1 year left on his deal and there is still talk of upgrading the deal while INEOS are busy cost cutting every aspect of the club and somehow trying to not make a mess of a really important transfer window.

We don't have to agree, and the same applies to Pogue, but the rudeness or condescension is unwarranted.
 
Ha. I bumped a Bruno contract thread which reminds everyone (loads have not been aware) that he's got 2+1 year left on his deal and there is still talk of upgrading the deal while INEOS are busy cost cutting every aspect of the club and somehow trying to not make a mess of a really important transfer window.

We don't have to agree, and the same applies to Pogue, but the rudeness or condescension is unwarranted.

You bumped a thread which likely made people think he’d signed a new deal. There was absolutely zero point and it’s against the forum guidelines.

Don’t be surprised when people raise it as it feels a bit attention seeking.
 
Ha. I bumped a Bruno contract thread which reminds everyone (loads have not been aware) that he's got 2+1 year left on his deal and there is still talk of upgrading the deal while INEOS are busy cost cutting every aspect of the club and somehow trying to not make a mess of a really important transfer window.

We don't have to agree, and the same applies to Pogue, but the rudeness or condescension is unwarranted.

I've changed the thread title. In the future, please don't bump old threads.
 
You bumped a thread which likely made people think he’d signed a new deal. There was absolutely zero point and it’s against the forum guidelines.

Don’t be surprised when people raise it as it feels a bit attention seeking.

If that's the case you can rest easy that the thread will be locked soon. Have an absolutely lovely day.
 
I fully support keeping Bruno. He has been our cubic zirconia in a sea of Swarovski micro crystals. I know he messes up, periodically runs about like a headless chicken, but his passion and general play is very good.
 
Ha. I bumped a Bruno contract thread which reminds everyone (loads have not been aware) that he's got 2+1 year left on his deal and there is still talk of upgrading the deal while INEOS are busy cost cutting every aspect of the club and somehow trying to not make a mess of a really important transfer window.

We don't have to agree, and the same applies to Pogue, but the rudeness or condescension is unwarranted.

You bumped an old thread, without context or suitable links, confusing a lot of people. This prompted a mod to step in and deal with the situation.

You've ruined the Forum experience for everyone. Shame on you!
 
You bumped an old thread, without context or suitable links, confusing a lot of people. This prompted a mod to step in and deal with the situation.

You've ruined the Forum experience for everyone. Shame on you!

This is a telling off I can get on board with. Shamed.
 
Agree to disagree. 240k is not crazy low even for someone on his level, but based on his skills and status in United he could quite clearly earn more.

I understand it from a ruthless CEO point of view where the idea is to extract as much resources as possible whilst paying as little as possible. But from a purely meritocracy point of view I think a salary bump makes sense. And that's the point of view I'm going for. Call it naive, romantic or whatever. I think this approach would be beneficial in the long run if we also want a culture chance.
I can understand it, I don't necessarily disagree, but I'm cautious of it. Probably because of our history in the last 10 or so years. I feel we need to see proof of a change in direction.
 
It will be utterly bonkers to give him a new contract when his existing one doesn’t run out until he’s 33!
 
It will be utterly bonkers to give him a new contract when his existing one doesn’t run out until he’s 33!

The contract discussions probably stem from the fact that he has to take a wage cut (is it usually 25%?) since United didn't make the CL.
 
No need for a new contract. Is on good money and 2 years left. He had a great end to the season but was pretty average for half of it. Great player on his day and arguably our best overall player but that doesn’t mean we commit to paying him until his mid thirties.
 
No need for a new contract. Is on good money and 2 years left. He had a great end to the season but was pretty average for half of it. Great player on his day and arguably our best overall player but that doesn’t mean we commit to paying him until his mid thirties.

Watch him leave for free in a couple seasons time ? Or sell him for less next year ?
 
It will be utterly bonkers to give him a new contract when his existing one doesn’t run out until he’s 33!

New contract for Erik
New one for Bruno
Amrabat on permanent

The three pronged attack to get the next season and the INEOS reign going!
 
Watch him leave for free in a couple seasons time ? Or sell him for less next year ?
Yeah basically. It’s not like teams are falling over themselves to sign him now despite his agent working overtime, that’s nothing against him but his age and salary mean he’s quite an expensive short term signing for anyone. He’s with us until he’s 32, there’s nothing stopping us then offering another year on a rolling basis.