Yeah Schalke easily has the potential to be a topclub, but in Cologne and Hamburg for example is even more potential. Massive tradition, massive cities, massive fanbase. But without money it's not easy. BVB had some luck (transfers, Klopp, exceptional good work) and a bigger stadium, so they were able to pull it off. But i can't see any other team going that far in near future with 50+1.
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Yeah Schalke easily has the potential to be a topclub, but in Cologne and Hamburg for example is even more potential. Massive tradition, massive cities, massive fanbase. But without money it's not easy. BVB had some luck (transfers, Klopp, exceptional good work) and a bigger stadium, so they were able to pull it off. But i can't see any other team going that far in near future with 50+1.
Schalke never get their shit together though.
I have to admit that I could get used to a Bundesliga table in which Schalke is out of Europa League ranks, let alone CL ranks. What fun to see the almost relegated dinosaur HSV currently ahead of them! 
I have to admit that I could get used to a Bundesliga table in which Schalke is out of Europa League ranks, let alone CL ranks. What fun to see the almost relegated dinosaur HSV currently ahead of them!
That's no fun at all.
The fecking clock has to go. I'm not a fan of Schalke but seriously Hamburg is even more of a cirucs than they are. Although they play in a much nicer city, that much I can admit. Still as long as the clock is still ticking I'll wish nothing but relegation on this club.
In the 10/11 season they finished 14th in the league. and went on to the CL semis. and won the german FA cup beating bayern 2-0 away en route. very strange season from them.I have to admit that I could get used to a Bundesliga table in which Schalke is out of Europa League ranks, let alone CL ranks. What fun to see the almost relegated dinosaur HSV currently ahead of them!
Magath is a strange manager.
Schalke are dumb. They need to bring in a top class manager and back him properly.
That's no fun at all.
The fecking clock has to go. I'm not a fan of Schalke but seriously Hamburg is even more of a cirucs than they are. Although they play in a much nicer city, that much I can admit. Still as long as the clock is still ticking I'll wish nothing but relegation on this club.
Who cares about the clock, seriously?
It's fecking annoying. It's the main reason I hate Hamburg (the club, not the city).Who cares about the clock, seriously?
That's no fun at all.
The fecking clock has to go. I'm not a fan of Schalke but seriously Hamburg is even more of a cirucs than they are. Although they play in a much nicer city, that much I can admit. Still as long as the clock is still ticking I'll wish nothing but relegation on this club.
I'd agree that if HSV had been relegated in one of the last seasons, they would have thoroughly earned it. This season, however, they've been doing better and would IMO deserve to stay in the league. Even the theatrics with Kühne, Knäbel and players seem to be more rare than the seasons before. I'm much more annoyed by teams whose trade marks are acting from minute one to take time off the clock rather than play football; those can just feck off.Schalke is a strange club with a history of hiring strange managers.
he was an absolute disaster at fulham last season.
and 5 years before that he won the bundesliga with wolfsburg.
strange indeed
But it only bothers you because that's the only record Bayern doesn't have, right?
Idk it really has no relevance for me, but it was a pain to see stuff like "For how much longer is the clock going to tick?" written in every single newspaper article at the end of the last few seasons.
The media is so predictable though, I've already seen some statements claiming Hamburg fans are dreaming about Europe.
This is our year!!No, don't care about that. The only Bundesliga record that really annoys me is that fecking Timo Hildebrand is the goalkeeper with the longest spell without conceding a goal.
Was he actually decent back then? Because in recent years he found it hard against fecking Lars Unnerstall who should probably play in the Regionalliga at best looking at his goalie reflexes.
Yeah, he was a young and talented goalkeeper who played really good, but he shouldn't be anywhere near that record. It's really weird how his time in Valencia totally destroyed him and how much worse he got within two years there.
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Hildebrand was a good goalkeeper and it's nice that he's holding the record unlike the obvious Kahn, Neuer etc.
Always thought it was a disgrace how Löw dropped him for the Euro 2008.
Always thought it was a disgrace how Löw dropped him for the Euro 2008.
That record was under Magath too, no? ..
Who cares about the clock, seriously?
You do, admit it.
Every HSV fan I talk to loves it and how everyone else is pissed off about it. Since I live in Hamburg, that's quite a few of them! :P
I was never bothered by the clock. Then again I'm a Bayern fan and able to just point out how much more we accomplished in two years less than Hamburg.
TV money abroad!
Tommorow there will be a meeting of the DFL, the german football league with the clubs regarding the new TV deal which will be negotiated next spring.
Some interesting new developments.
Most here probably now we have, until now, a system of distribution which gives generous money to lower tier and bottom table clubs.
Now, there are three factions fighting each other, each have stated their demands in the last few weeks one way or another.
First of all, there has been a proposal by clubs of the second Bundeliga which effectively calls for the "Werksclubs" (Leverkusen, Wolfsburg") and the ones effectively outside of the 50+1 system (Leipzig, Hannover, Hoffenheim) to give more mone to the clubs with more tradition, and, potentially, more appeal to the common football fan.
These clubs of course are disagreeing and are the second faction.
The third faction are the big "Traditionsvereine" (Dortmund, Bremen, Gladbach, Hamburg, Stuttgart etc.) which are seeking ways to redistribute the revenue more along the lines of actual viewing figures, number of fans and general interest.
Bayern is playing the outsider here, Rummenigge rather publicly threatened to leave the system completely if his demands aren't met.
The new deal is expected to be 1 billion € + per season.
All thegoals are rather contradicting and it will be especially interesting what happens when the TV revenue goal isn't reached by the DFL, cause it will most likely mean Bayern would bail out, marketing themselves. This would probably see their TV revenue north of a 200 million € per year figure instead of the 50 million € they get now. Clubs like Dortmund could also profit massively and its really the first time I can see the regime of the DFL over TV revenue end.
Interesting times.
Tommorow there will be a meeting of the DFL, the german football league with the clubs regarding the new TV deal which will be negotiated next spring.
Some interesting new developments.
Most here probably now we have, until now, a system of distribution which gives generous money to lower tier and bottom table clubs.
Now, there are three factions fighting each other, each have stated their demands in the last few weeks one way or another.
First of all, there has been a proposal by clubs of the second Bundeliga which effectively calls for the "Werksclubs" (Leverkusen, Wolfsburg") and the ones effectively outside of the 50+1 system (Leipzig, Hannover, Hoffenheim) to give more mone to the clubs with more tradition, and, potentially, more appeal to the common football fan.
These clubs of course are disagreeing and are the second faction.
The third faction are the big "Traditionsvereine" (Dortmund, Bremen, Gladbach, Hamburg, Stuttgart etc.) which are seeking ways to redistribute the revenue more along the lines of actual viewing figures, number of fans and general interest.
Bayern is playing the outsider here, Rummenigge rather publicly threatened to leave the system completely if his demands aren't met.
The new deal is expected to be 1 billion € + per season.
All thegoals are rather contradicting and it will be especially interesting what happens when the TV revenue goal isn't reached by the DFL, cause it will most likely mean Bayern would bail out, marketing themselves. This would probably see their TV revenue north of a 200 million € per year figure instead of the 50 million € they get now. Clubs like Dortmund could also profit massively and its really the first time I can see the regime of the DFL over TV revenue end.
Interesting times.
There's no way this is going to happen. Rummenigge is trying to put pressure on the DFL to do a better job, that's it. In the end it's an empty threat. It got a bit silly in recent weeks with lots of stupid and unreasonable comments from too many different sides.
There might be small changes in the distribution, but it won't matter all that much. Still interesting to follow.
Why would Germany, want to go down the la liga route? It will kill the league.
The current distribution system is crap as well tho and the biggest profiteers are Wolfsburg, Leverkusen and Hoffenheim who are already benefiting from the 50+1 exception rule.
Rettig is right to criticize the system although I think his main aim was to work towards a preservation of the 50+1 rule, which is why he started the whole discussion.
I don't think the current system will see huge changes, but if they actually do overthrow the central marketing of the TV rights then I reckon Dortmund might be the big winner, because while obviously Bayern would get the most money out of it Dortmund would probably have the biggest relative gain.
Can't wait for Wolfsburg - Dortmund, i feel it could be one hell of a match.
Given Bayerns sheer power, it will go their way. They want to market themselves independently and offer to put 50% of their TV revenue to a "solidarity fonds" thing, which is the classic "offer they couldn't refuse".
If the DFL block Bayerns apporach, this will mean FCB will be eventually financially outclassed again and this will cause to Germany not having even a single cometitive club at european level.
Making Bayern happy will keep one top team in GER, but only one. Also not good as FCB dominance is already choking the league.
On a mid-term basis, the DFL will have to find means that allow other teams to rise to levels closer to Bayern. Better international marketing will help but will not be enough IMO. Sad as it is, there won't be much alternative to eventually waiving the 50+1
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By the way, i noticed only recently that Leichesters team consists of a lot of ex-Bundesligaplayers and not exactly ex-superstars or supertalents - Fuchs, Okazaki, Huth.... so what does that mean in terms of competitiveness BuLi - BPL?
I think it could actually rise the competetiveness on an international level for the whole league. Bayern would profit the most, yes, but they are already miles ahead anyway. Dortmund would improve quite massively, too, if such a model would be implemented, just like other clubs like Hamburg and Schalke. These might even, proportionally, profit more then Bayern would.
It would get nearer to something like La Liga, with 6 regulars at the top but with just one who stands out instead of two. Not sure that's a bad thing.
The countdown says about 70 hours to go.
I can't wait for it either and have no gut feeling whatsoever how this one will go. On our side, Hummels and Sokratis have the flu but are expected to be fit for the match. On Wolfsburg's side, Dante is booked, Draxler may return after his suspension but still has some muscle issues, Gustavo isn't in full training due to back pain.
Huth never played in the Bundesliga. Okazaki hasn't really hit the ground yet but I am surprised how well Fuchs is doing, I thought he would get exposed way harder.By the way, i noticed only recently that Leichesters team consists of a lot of ex-Bundesligaplayers and not exactly ex-superstars or supertalents - Fuchs, Okazaki, Huth.... so what does that mean in terms of competitiveness BuLi - BPL?
Not really related to the Bundesliga, more to those living in Germany, Austria or Liechtenstein, but not worthwhile creating an extra thread: SKY won't hold the live and on-demand rights for Premier League football any longer from next season onwards. http://www.performgroup.co.uk/article/id/5183754
Still crap though.
First time watching Sane, what a player. Exactly what we need.
FC Bayern: Neuer - Benatia, Martinez, Lewandowski, Rafinha, Alonso, Boateng, Lahm (K), Vidal, Müller, Coman
bench: Ulreich - Ribery, Kirchhoff, Rode, Badstuber, Kimmich
No real suprises, fairly defensive line-up, but with Robben, Götze, Costa, Thiago, Alaba all injured there wasn't anything we can do. I don't expect Ribery to play, doubt he's ready and most likely he's only on the bench because we didn't have anyone else anymore.
bench: Ulreich - Ribery, Kirchhoff, Rode, Badstuber, Kimmich
No real suprises, fairly defensive line-up, but with Robben, Götze, Costa, Thiago, Alaba all injured there wasn't anything we can do. I don't expect Ribery to play, doubt he's ready and most likely he's only on the bench because we didn't have anyone else anymore.
Hamburg XI
Drobny - G. Sakai, Djourou, Cleber, Ostrzolek - Holtby, Jung - N. Müller, Gregoritsch, Ilicevic - Schipplock
Mainz XI
Karius - Brosinski, Bell, Hack, Bengtsson - Baumgartlinger, Jara - De Blasis, Malli, Jairo - Muto
No surprises here. Same team as last week with the exception of Jara for Latza, who picked up his 5th booking of the season against Frankfurt.
Drobny - G. Sakai, Djourou, Cleber, Ostrzolek - Holtby, Jung - N. Müller, Gregoritsch, Ilicevic - Schipplock
Mainz XI
Karius - Brosinski, Bell, Hack, Bengtsson - Baumgartlinger, Jara - De Blasis, Malli, Jairo - Muto
No surprises here. Same team as last week with the exception of Jara for Latza, who picked up his 5th booking of the season against Frankfurt.
Lasogga, Spahic, Ekdal, Adler, Kacar, Diekmeier and Hunt (at least on the bench) injured. Expect you to win this one.
I certainly hope so
BOOM! 1-0 Jairo, brilliant finish
Jairo, brilliant finish questionable red card for Leverkusen (Boenisch)