Bundesliga 2015/2016

What is it with Gladbach and penalties this season? It feels like they concede at least one every game.
 
Neuer got his 137th clean sheet in the Bundesliga yesterday, equaling Sepp Maier (!). :eek:
 
Just saw Meyer's last minute game winning goal:



Anyone still doubting Sane around here? :D

It looks more and more like Schalke finally decided to get rid of Heldt and appoint a director of football who appreciates young talents instead of wasting money on average, established players. Sucks that Draxler is gone now, but there's still so much potential in the side.
 
It's kinda amazing how Schalke keep picking up these dodgy wins

Replacing Heldt with Heidel would be a great piece of business for the club. Heldt wasted so much of the club's immense potential, that it was painful to watch.
 
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LMAO. Get dominated the whole half, then score on their first "opportunity" with a blatant handball. Hopefully it ends in an undeserved draw, so Frontzeck buys himself more time at H96, but doesn´t get three points. :lol:
 
Poor Köln...
It's high time that referees are held accountable for horrendous decisions like this one. At least let Stöger insult them in an interview without repercussions, it's the least he should be allowed to do.
 
Piratesoup said:
Poor Köln...
It's high time that referees are held accountable for horrendous decisions like this one. At least let Stöger insult them in an interview without repercussions, it's the least he should be allowed to do.
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If anything they should hold the player accountable. Such blatant lacks of sportsmanship should be punishable after the game and result in fines and bans.
 
do.ob said:
If anything they should hold the player accountable. Such blatant lacks of sportsmanship should be punishable after the game and result in fines and bans.
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Well, Andreasen acted like a proper cnut but he is a professional football player. You can't realistically expect him to do something detrimental to his team after the referee made his "factual decision". It boggles the mind that we still don't have professional referees and/or video analysis so they can at least see what bullshit they are deciding right there and then.

After blatantly wrong decisions like that, that ref should be suspended from working in the Bundesliga for a while.
 
Now Modest goes berserk and Dankert doesn't show him a red card... catastrophic performance.
 
Modeste should've seen the red card there. The ref is really losing control of the game now.

Piratesoup said:
Well, Andreasen acted like a proper cnut but he is a professional football player. You can't realistically expect him to do something detrimental to his team after the referee made his "factual decision". It boggles the mind that we still don't have professional referees and/or video analysis so they can at least see what bullshit they are deciding right there and then.

After blatantly wrong decisions like that, that ref should be suspended from working in the Bundesliga for a while.
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It's easy to say for us but Dankert was probably watching the whole thing from behind and might have had someone in his field of view. I'm all for giving teams the ability to call for a video review of a situation once per game/half, but I think it's only natural that refs are going to make costly mistakes.

And while it's logical for players to try shady stuff whenever they think they can get away with it that still doesn't mean that the DFB/DFL should watch and do nothing about it.
 
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do.ob said:
It's easy to say for us but Dankert was probably watching the whole thing from behind and might have had someone in his field of view.
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Look at the third angle in the replay, the linesman has to see it if the referee can't. There's really no excuse here, the referee team fecked up.

 
do.ob said:
And while it's logical for players to try shady stuff whenever they think they can get away with it that still doesn't mean that the DFB/DFL should watch and do nothing about it.
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100% agree with that. He should be punished for it. And Frontzek as well for his comments after the match.
 
Yes.. looks like the linesman had a relatively clear view.

Balu said:
100% agree with that. He should be punished for it. And Frontzek as well for his comments after the match.
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What did he say?
 
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do.ob said:
What did he say?
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Well, my favorite part was when he was asked if Andreasen discussed the situation with him right after it happened and he said "Nah, we just talked about tactical stuff."
Riiiight....
 
He also said that they don't have to apologise for it. I hate it when managers back blatant cheating by their players.

Piratesoup said:
Well, Andreasen acted like a proper cnut but he is a professional football player. You can't realistically expect him to do something detrimental to his team after the referee made his "factual decision". It boggles the mind that we still don't have professional referees and/or video analysis so they can at least see what bullshit they are deciding right there and then.

After blatantly wrong decisions like that, that ref should be suspended from working in the Bundesliga for a while.
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What I don't get is why the referees don't push for video analysis. If I was a referee I'd love to have technology. We have 2 additional refeeres behind the goal and one standing around between the coaches. Put those three in front of a video camera and let them talk to the three on the pitch and everything is solved within seconds.
 
Balu said:
He also said that they don't have to apologise for it. I hate it when managers back blatant cheating by their players.


What I don't get is why the referees don't push for video analysis. If I was a referee I'd love to have technology. We have 2 additional refeeres behind the goal and one standing around between the coaches. Put those three in front of a video camera and let them talk to the three on the pitch and everything is solved within seconds.
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Not necessarily. There are often situations that can be judged either way. For example whether or not to give a red card for preventing a "clear" goal scoring opportunities or hand ball penalties where the ref has to decide whether or not the player's hand/arm made a natural movement.
Or those situations when there is some light contact in the penalty box and the ref has to decide whether or not it was enough to warrant a penalty.
I think the refs would be exposed to a completely new level of hatred from the sides (or their fans) they have to rule those 50/50 situations against.
 
do.ob said:
Not necessarily. There are often situations that can be judged either way. For example whether or not to give a red card for preventing a "clear" goal scoring opportunities or hand ball penalties where the ref has to decide whether or not the player's hand/arm made a natural movement.
Or those situations when there is some light contact in the penalty box and the ref has to decide whether or not it was enough to warrant a penalty.
I think the refs would be exposed to a completely new level of hatred from the sides (or their fans) they have to rule those 50/50 situations against.
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I'm pretty sure refs come to a conclusion very quickly on the tv screen and many things we call 50/50 decisions in truth aren't or wouldn't be 50/50s if referees watch it on tv. They might disagree about it sometimes, but it's still better and more accurate than what we have today. Of course it's true that fans often disagree on certain decisions even after watching slowmotion replays countless times, but that can't be an argument against using video technology in my opinion. It might actually be a good way to explain the ref's view on situations to the public, which is something we don't have at the moment.

The big problem lies in situations where the play is stopped in my opinion. If a counterattack is aborted but it wasn't a foul. You can't go back. If a player is called offside and the game is stopped, even if the footage shows that he wasn't offside. You can't give the chance back. But you also can't let it play out every time. So yeah, there are flaws and video footage wouldn't be possible to use for every situation. But it's definitely something that can help a lot within clear guidelines and make life a lot easier for referees.
 
Balu said:
I'm pretty sure refs come to a conclusion very quickly on the tv screen and many things we call 50/50 decisions in truth aren't or wouldn't be 50/50s if referees watch it on tv. They might disagree about it sometimes, but it's still better and more accurate than what we have today. Of course it's true that fans often disagree on certain decisions even after watching slowmotion replays countless times, but that can't be an argument against using video technology in my opinion. It might actually be a good way to explain the ref's view on situations to the public, which is something we don't have at the moment.

The big problem lies in situations where the play is stopped in my opinion. If a counterattack is aborted but it wasn't a foul. You can't go back. If a player is called offside and the game is stopped, even if the footage shows that he wasn't offside. You can't give the chance back. But you also can't let it play out every time. So yeah, there are flaws and video footage wouldn't be possible to use for every situation. But it's definitely something that can help a lot within clear guidelines and make life a lot easier for referees.
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Oh, I was just expressing what I believe might be reason why refs aren't agressively pushing for more technology. If you look at it objectively the use of video technology would obviously lessen the impact that refrees have on the games. For starters they could give teams the opportunity to just challenge goals/penalties/red cards, by letting the refs review the X seconds before it, because those major events cause the game to be stopped anyway. Because if ever there is a reform it will be carried out in multiple steps and if some simple implementation turns out to be working well then you still have all the time in the world to figure out how to push it further.
 
do.ob said:
Oh, I was just expressing what I believe might be reason why refs aren't agressively pushing for more technology. If you look at it objectively the use of video technology would obviously lessen the impact that refrees have on the games. For starters they could give teams the opportunity to just challenge goals/penalties/red cards, by letting the refs review the X seconds before it, because those major events cause the game to be stopped anyway. Because if ever there is a reform it will be carried out in multiple steps and if some simple implementation turns out to be working well then you still have all the time in the world to figure out how to push it further.
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But surely that's a good thing for them? I get that referees tend to act like stubborn idiots more often than not, but in general they all want to referee games in a way that has as less impact as possible on the outcome of the game? They want to make the correct decisions as often as possible?

I think red cards should always be reviewed for example. They have such a massive, massive impact on games. Often even more than goals. It's one of the situations that should always be reviewed. Call a foul, stop the game and take 10 seconds to review the situation on screen before making a decision that is so so crucial.
 
Peter Stöger with some pinpoint Wiener Schmäh. After the goal, he was holding up his glasses in the direction of the linesman and after the match he said:
"I offered my glasses to the linesman. He didn't even see that."

Love the guy
 
Balu said:
Just saw Meyer's last minute game winning goal:



Anyone still doubting Sane around here? :D

It looks more and more like Schalke finally decided to get rid of Heldt and appoint a director of football who appreciates young talents instead of wasting money on average, established players. Sucks that Draxler is gone now, but there's still so much potential in the side.
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I remember his goal against Madrid and overall performance in that game. Made me wonder why whatshisface (Can't spell his name) ever started considering how average he was. Meyer also looked great that game.
 
Oh god, Andreasen... si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses.

"Ich mache eine Bewegung Richtung Ball und spüre, dass mich etwas am Arm trifft. Das Gefühl ist jetzt nachdem ich die Situation gesehen habe natürlich nicht einfach für mich. Dennoch finde ich es nicht gut, dass ich mich jetzt dafür entschuldigen muss."

"I make a movement towards the ball and feel something hit my arm. After seeing the situation it's obviously not easy for me. Still, I don't think it's good that I have to apologize now."

Both manager and player making a complete ass out of themselves.
 
Balu said:
I'm pretty sure refs come to a conclusion very quickly on the tv screen and many things we call 50/50 decisions in truth aren't or wouldn't be 50/50s if referees watch it on tv. They might disagree about it sometimes, but it's still better and more accurate than what we have today. Of course it's true that fans often disagree on certain decisions even after watching slowmotion replays countless times, but that can't be an argument against using video technology in my opinion. It might actually be a good way to explain the ref's view on situations to the public, which is something we don't have at the moment.

The big problem lies in situations where the play is stopped in my opinion. If a counterattack is aborted but it wasn't a foul. You can't go back. If a player is called offside and the game is stopped, even if the footage shows that he wasn't offside. You can't give the chance back. But you also can't let it play out every time. So yeah, there are flaws and video footage wouldn't be possible to use for every situation. But it's definitely something that can help a lot within clear guidelines and make life a lot easier for referees.
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If we take the idea of putting those goal referees in front of a TV camera, I can see it working when they review scenes (the technology for live-replay exists) and just signal the ref when something is dodgy. I assume most refs are already aware of most situations (no absolutes here) that may be questionable, so if they get a buzz on the arm, they're probably grateful to have someone signal them that indeed, they should give it more attention, either by stopping the play and reviewing the video or by waiting until the current situation has played out and then reviewing the videos. By judging from current games, I estimate that would happen 1-5 times per game.

I am one to usually defend referees. I like the oldschool approach of trusting the referees judgement and if he's wrong, live with the mistake no matter what. The main reason I am sceptical of video reviews and such is the breaks in the game. I'd hate football to devolve into a stop and go fest like American Football or Ice Hockey. The beauty of modern football is the fluent gameplay and two good and fair teams often make it through 45 minutes without actually more than 1-2 minutes in interruptions. Maintaining that flow is more important to me than yes, even a wrong penalty, a wrongfully not given penalty or... in harsh cases, a goal that never happened. If push comes to shove, you can have a rematch. We've done it before. Albeit, it'll be difficult to schedule such a rematch, but still... the flow is so important.
 
Piratesoup said:
Peter Stöger with some pinpoint Wiener Schmäh. After the goal, he was holding up his glasses in the direction of the linesman and after the match he said:
"I offered my glasses to the linesman. He didn't even see that."

Love the guy
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Stöger is one of the coolest coaches in the bundesliga imo. Smart and funny.

Anyway... Hernandez wouldn't score with an empty goal in front these days, right? Everytime I see him he is a wreck of a forward. Anyone disagrees?
 
Kant-ona said:
Stöger is one of the coolest coaches in the bundesliga imo. Smart and funny.

Anyway... Hernandez wouldn't score with an empty goal in front these days, right? Everytime I see him he is a wreck of a forward. Anyone disagrees?
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He lacks confidence atm. Not the first time we have seen this happen to a striker, he just needs to find a goal again and he will go on a good run I think.
 
FCB: Neuer - Lewandowski, Robben, Costa, Rafinha, Boateng, Lahm (K), Vidal, Müller, Alaba, Coman
bench: FCB: Ulreich - Thiago, Martinez, Alonso, Kirchhoff, Bernat, Kimmich

Robben, Coman, Costa, Lewandowski and Müller? How the feck does that work? Why doesn't Kimmich get to start when Alonso and Thiago are on the bench? I guess it's a crazy 3232 formation, but it seems so unnecessary and over the top.

It's great to see Robben back though.
 
1 goalkeeper, 1 center back, 3 fullbacks, 1 midfielder, 3 wingers, 2 forwards...

Pep can still surprise... :cool:
 
Another win for Effenberg by the way. He's doing well at Paderborn. Somehow I can't imagine Effenberg as a great manager but maybe I'm totally wrong about him. I don't want to get my hopes up but 1860 are in excellent form so far in the 2. Bundesliga. Maybe they can finally finish the job :D.
 
wtf, pep basically playing with 5 forwards :lol:

Lewandowski + Müller + Coman + Costa + Robben :eek:

Maybe we are lucky that Ribery is still not fit :lol:
 
Coman looking pretty decent against Hector. I just don't know if that says more about Coman's quality our the lack of quality wing backs in germany at the moment...
 
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