The problem is it won't be so easy to get rid of Giggs even when he's stinking up the place and getting no results. Fans need to be careful, and think ahead. The spin and politics Giggs and his supporters would use to keep him in that job will be something else. You watch - be worse than anything we'e experienced so far.
Carlo Ancelotti to Bayern for 16/17 | Confirmed
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I can see us move for a manager only after all big managers had signed a contract with someone else. Then we would have no choice but to give it to SAF's mate who will turn from chosen one to 100000 option if he fails
It's this type of thinking that saw Liverpool spiral to the point of having nothing to enjoy but distant memories.
Seriously, has anyone considered that maybe Ancellotti 'leaked' this? Maybe he's trying to force United's hand after saying in that latest interview that he wouldn't mind managing us? Well it's possible isn't it?
No.
I suspect he has more class and respect for fellow coaches, having experienced unsavoury dismissal himself.
Ok. I think he's also a classy guy, I was just wondering. On the other hand, I've become very sceptical about football people and even those that seem ok turn out to be shit as people, so I don't have 100% confidence that he would be above doing something like this.
Anyway, it was just a thought.
The idea of us ending up with Giggs and watching Pep go to City gives me the feeling of an orphan observing a Christmas dinner on the wrong side of the window.
I am just so sick of all the manager stuff that I now am getting myself ready for what I think will happen rather than even getting my hopes up about Pep. I have realized that football was a fun sport only till the time I didn't have to think about who will manage United next season (I blame SAF
)The club will be 100% dickheads if they let both Ancelotti and pep move given our current predicament.
Relax, Pep isn't the only manager out there.... just prepare yourself for more short term pain - it won't last forever - I'm 200% sure of that. What will make things worse is people being too emotional and not thinking ahead and saying just try 'Giggs' etc - it's the worse thing that could happen to us.I am just so sick of all the manager stuff that I now am getting myself ready for what I think will happen rather than even getting my hopes up about Pep. I have realized that football was a fun sport only till the time I didn't have to think about who will manage United next season (I blame SAF
I think he will enjoy his year off. He doesn't need to rush back does he?
Obviously not if he's got the Bayern job to look forward to
We'll see what happens. That Pep though is quite a prima donna - has everyone waiting around for him to make a decision
I am just so sick of all the manager stuff that I now am getting myself ready for what I think will happen rather than even getting my hopes up about Pep. I have realized that football was a fun sport only till the time I didn't have to think about who will manage United next season (I blame SAF
It's a weird feeling I agree, but appointing Giggs is tantamount to giving up altogether.
To be honest, we could go for both and end up with none. It's not just up to us.
Mark Ogden just killed the dreams of some deluded Benfica fans
Relax lads. When O'Neill & Keane win the euros they'll take over at OT and all will be well
Me too.
When you consider the quality of managers our rivals will likely have, I fear for us.
We are at the stage where Pool where in 94/95. With the new premier league deal, even our financial advantage over league rivals could be severely weakened. We cant afford to take such risks. It's reckless.
Don't forget Simeone to Chelsea.
"Münchner Merkur" treats "Pep gone" as a fact. They cite own sources inside the club that Pep informed management last week he won't continue, reasons: fatigue and its 'his approach towards his profession').
Also say Ancelotti rumours are hot air, automatism of the business: top coach available, top job open, so he is linked. Say Ancelotti not best choice because of language and age.
Talk about Bayern approaching Yogi Löw who supposedly "spoke to Philipp Lahm about Bayern". Another option: van Bommel together with Mehmet Scholl (nonsense if you ask me, neither have any experience or success coaching at the level)
nterestingly enough, same article says all players backed Pep except for Ribery.
http://www.merkur.de/sport/fc-bayer...enchen-an-jogi-loew-interessiert-5966506.html
Also say Ancelotti rumours are hot air, automatism of the business: top coach available, top job open, so he is linked. Say Ancelotti not best choice because of language and age.
Talk about Bayern approaching Yogi Löw who supposedly "spoke to Philipp Lahm about Bayern". Another option: van Bommel together with Mehmet Scholl (nonsense if you ask me, neither have any experience or success coaching at the level)
nterestingly enough, same article says all players backed Pep except for Ribery.
http://www.merkur.de/sport/fc-bayer...enchen-an-jogi-loew-interessiert-5966506.html
Surely Sammer and Löw won't ever work with each other again? The van Bommel + Scholl theory is hilarious though, we can't be that stupid.
yeah why not, it can only go massively wrong. that's all..eh
If we're getting Löw you can put me on suicide watch
who isn't. But after all the nice guys like Heynckes or Pep, what about a real hate figure for achange. So when is Mou getting the sack?Those are some serious downgrades on Pep.
I refuse to believe that rumour.
who isn't. But after all the nice guys like Heynckes or Pep, what about a real hate figure for achange. So when is Mou getting the sack?
Isn't there an influx of very good German Managers coming through? I remember hearing about it somewhere when reading up on Tuchel (Who I rate btw). If Pep is leaving which looks likely, think your best bet would be Carlo, might be able to nick the Champions league with him.
Was there some kind of falling out I've missed? Anyway.. Sammer does not seem to be the most important person at Bayern and if the other bosses want someone who speaks German then their options are so limited that pragmatism might silence Sammer - who would be a legit German speaking candidate? Tuchel and Heynckes are the only ones on paper I reckon, the former surely won't be available and the latter is retired.
I can't imagine Bayern going for someone inexperienced just because of some ex-player folklore either, maybe a couple of years ago, but surely not after the Klinsmann debacle.
Löw and Ancelotti would be my front runners, depending on how much language is an issue.
There are a lot of interesting young(ish) German coaches around, but (aside from Tuchel and Klopp if you're generous) none of them have been able to prove themselves at anything even remotely close to Bayern yet.
It would also be double joy. I've had enough of being cowardly with LvG.
Yes, when Sammer was still working for the DFB. It peaked in the power struggle over the u21 youth nationalteam. It's one of the main reasons why I like Sammer so much. I expect him to make sure that Löw stays away.
Pep's a bit precious with all the fatigue and crap.
Why the Low hate?
Serious question. He won a World Cup for you guys and you don't seem to rate him.
Serious question. He won a World Cup for you guys and you don't seem to rate him.
Believe me, Van Gaal's management frustates me and I cant wait for it to be over too, but not this way.
We shouldnt be making such a big decision based on emotion, but rather should rationally think it out. A lot of us are simply thinking 'surely Giggs can't be any worse, why not' . He might turn out not be as bad as Van Gaal, but that shouldnt be the determing factor. Rather, the most important factor should be whether he's good enough to take us where we need to be. On the back of no experience whatsover, can he get us back to a seat in Europe's highest table? That should be the goal, always with United. I dont want us in another situation like we've seen with Moyes and LVG of constant excuses and expectation lowering. We cant be stuck perpetually in transition, we need to act.
I'd rather take a more extreme position. Bring in a caretaker if Van Gaal cant steady the ship, and then during that time, have a proper search for our next manager, making sure that we have clear objectives , and that our 'philosophies' actually align. For me, our next manager will be one of the most important in our recent history
The opinion is that they won the World Cup in spite of him.
That's a different point.
The point about it being 'double painful' is a presumptive and cowardly when the countervailing 'double joy' would be just as great.
can we compile a list of coaches who had success at club level after spending the majority of their careers as coaches of a national side?
His club level pedigree consists of one (agreedly impressive) title with Stuttgart but that was 20 years ago. I happen to think that coaching a team for a couple of weeks is more of a motivational job, coaching a club team on a day-to-day basis is a different cup of tea. He might not be bad at it, but its far from a certainty. I didn't see the tactical excellence performed by Heynckes or Pep very often from him. Whether he can inspire a successful club team for a longer period, we do not know.
He would be "a safe bet" as he has a huge standing with the media in germany though. As much as i don't want to imagine having van Bommel and Scholl (who is bright and fresh, but not much of a respect person), i actually like the fact that they seem to at least have been considered by the management. Shows that they are willing to take a risk. Wouldn't have thought so.
Are the Munich fans usuaally this hysterical or is this what happens when you find out daddy might be leaving?
Free me and let me wallow in my sorrow. I agree it was a melodramatic comment.
i'd describe my state of mind as melacholic if Pep leaves. Undoubteldy Bayern will continue to play highly successful and attractive football, but it is unlikely i will see the team perform with this level of perfection any longer.
So the article Ogden wrote only 9 days ago was ummm.... wrong
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...r-united-a-possible-destination-a6763866.html
What will it be in another 9 days I wonder
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...r-united-a-possible-destination-a6763866.html
What will it be in another 9 days I wonder
Löw's record as club coach is ridiculously bad. Or let's say, thoroughly unimpressive, and therefore ridiculously bad for supposed top coach.
He was chosen as Klinsi's assistant based on.. errm.. ethnicity most of all, just like Schneider was now chosen as Löw's assistant based on ethnicity.
I know it's strange for people to understand why Löw is rated so little by many German football fans, after what the NT achieved under him.
I can't fully explain myself either, but I have an irrational dislike of Löw bordering on hate. Maybe I'm a racist
He was chosen as Klinsi's assistant based on.. errm.. ethnicity most of all, just like Schneider was now chosen as Löw's assistant based on ethnicity.
I know it's strange for people to understand why Löw is rated so little by many German football fans, after what the NT achieved under him.
I can't fully explain myself either, but I have an irrational dislike of Löw bordering on hate. Maybe I'm a racist