Carlo Ancelotti to Bayern for 16/17 | Confirmed

OutlawGER said:
Bayern made exactly the same mistakes after their trebble in the early 00's and became average on the international stage for a long period of time. But with the appointment of Van Gaal (!) their comeback had begun.

I also seriously believe that the absence of Hoeneß, with Rummenigge totally in charge now, was a good thing for Bayerns management.
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I totally agree with that and it is often overlooked. I am actually a bit worried about Hoeneß making a comeback as president….
Hoeneß was brilliant on the business side, but nowadays we have various specialist at the club, who can continue his work on this front. When it came to decisions to hire managers/players he was good but not brilliant. His constant public outburst were annoying as hell and he had a huge ego, which sometimes clouded his judgment.

Ancelotti is a great appointment, simply because there are few viable alternatives.
 
Has Guardiola himself confirmed he's leaving? Obviously he is, but has he put out an official statement saying his plans?
 
Blackwidow said:
I thought sometimes it would have been better if Pep would have done his press conferences in English - the German press understands it probably better than his German. The team is not a problem either - he has all languages for them available.

But yes, if you live in a country and if you work there you should learn the language. But I do not think today it is really a big problem anymore.

And an Ancelotti that already speaks a lot of languages should have a lot less problems than Trapp... But if you look e.g. at Alonso - he has learned German very fast even if he speaks very slow to not make any grammatical mistakes. (you remark that his German teacher is a grammar school teacher...)
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I am absolutely astonished at how well Alonso speaks German. I really did not expect him to learn German so well in such a short time. I sometimes speculate how it would be if Bayern converted to English as the primary language on the pitch. To make the club more attractive for people from the outside.
 
Lagger said:
I am absolutely astonished at how well Alonso speaks German. I really did not expect him to learn German so well in such a short time. I sometimes speculate how it would be if Bayern converted to English as the primary language on the pitch. To make the club more attractive for people from the outside.
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They all speak the three important languages EUROS, DOLLARS and POUNDS. :D

Besides I don´t think they are struggling to attract talent or managers.
 
Much was made of Pep's German, but indeed Alonso trumped him within a couple of months. Impressive stuff.
 
Cristiano Lell said:
Much was made of Pep's German, but indeed Alonso trumped him within a couple of months. Impressive stuff.
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As impressive as Pep's German was two and a half years ago, as disappointing was his lack of progress since he took charge of Bayern München. His vocabulary is still very limited and he basically remained at the same grammatical level.

In my opinion it's one of the reasons why he never quite connected with the fans the way some predecessors did.


Universally respected and admired for his tactical genius? Definitely! Loved and reverred? Sadly no, even though we were/are still very fond of him
 
Lagger said:
I am absolutely astonished at how well Alonso speaks German. I really did not expect him to learn German so well in such a short time. I sometimes speculate how it would be if Bayern converted to English as the primary language on the pitch. To make the club more attractive for people from the outside.
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Personally think they should relocate to Berlin. Imagine: FC Bayern Munich of Berlin :drool: But they'll need a visionary (american) to take such progressive action - maybe Klinsmann when he becomes chairman.
 
Bazi said:
As impressive as Pep's German was two and a half years ago, as disappointing was his lack of progress since he took charge of Bayern München. His vocabulary is still very limited and he basically remained at the same grammatical level.

In my opinion it's one of the reasons why he never quite connected with the fans the way some predecessors did.


Universally respected and admired for his tactical genius? Definitely! Loved and reverred? Sadly no, even though we were/are still very fond of him
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It is good for quite a discussion - including players - why some are fan favourites and why some aren't. Ribery was it from the beginning - Robben first needed to fail and then needed to get up and track back to get there. A Kroos never was near it - Müller was it from the start. Schweinsteiger was - Lahm not.

It is the same with the coaches. The star for sure is Hermann Gerland. Heynckes needed to fail first, too - until he at the end got cheers.
 
Blackwidow said:
It is good for quite a discussion - including players - why some are fan favourites and why some aren't. Ribery was it from the beginning - Robben first needed to fail and then needed to get up and track back to get there. A Kroos never was near it - Müller was it from the start. Schweinsteiger was - Lahm not.

It is the same with the coaches. The star for sure is Hermann Gerland. Heynckes needed to fail first, too - until he at the end got cheers.
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Not much to discuss there, is it. Schweinsteiger and Muller both spoke their minds often enough for fans to trust them. Kroos and Lahm never said anything that wasn't a polished PR statement. If Kroos said as much... Ribery never hid his opinion, Robben only made headlines by playing for himself rather the team. I think the mood towards Robben didn't just change with the goal at Wembley, that's too easy... I think it gradually started changing when the fans saw him sprint back to our backline to tackle some striker from another team. That's when he started playing for the team under Heynckes.
 
Blackwidow said:
It is good for quite a discussion - including players - why some are fan favourites and why some aren't. Ribery was it from the beginning - Robben first needed to fail and then needed to get up and track back to get there. A Kroos never was near it - Müller was it from the start. Schweinsteiger was - Lahm not.
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The answer is simple: Müller and Schweinsteiger were authentic! They most likely said what they had in their mind, while Kroos and Lahm always were like a perfect robotic professional. Boring as feck. Müller and Schweinsteiger are much more charismatic.

It's the same with Mourinho and Guardiola for example. For Guardiola every player is just "super, super", he would never tell his true opinion. It's professional, but boring. You can't be a fan favourite like that. Mourinho on the other hand is... well... 'special'.
 
http://www.tz.de/sport/fc-bayern/me...elottis-traum-geht-erfuellung-zr-5983799.html

Future Bayern coach

Rome - Former national coach Arrigo Sacchi talks out of school and believes that Carlo Ancelotti will make a big difference at Bayern.

"He is not only smart and very human. He introduces himself fully in the service of the club and impressed a team profoundly. As he has few other coaches a talent as a psychologist, what allows him well to deal with the players, "the former Italian football coach in SID interview, said:" Ancelotti knows no difficulties. You could give him eleven goalkeepers as players, and he would win with them. `

`I know Carlo very good because I have trained him for four years. For three years he was my assistant in the Italian national team. He has the balance and peace, which are typical of people from families who work the land. It is ironic and self-deprecating, "Sacchi, Vice World Champion in 1994 and two-time World Cup winner with AC Milan said - with the player Ancelotti.

This was a coach of the highest level, explained Sacchi. "He belongs thanks to its experience in five different leagues in the highest category of the coach in the past decade on."

With the change to Bayern go a wish come true: "He himself has entrusted to me that he had great hope to be appointed by Bayern Munich. Now he will have to deal with the obstacles the German language, which is not easy. But Carlos international experience will help him in this case be a help. "

With its "sensitivity, imagination and vast knowledge in the football field," Ancelotti will help the people of Munich: "It is difficult to find a better coach." (google translator)
 
Excellent appointment by Bayern. They did it quick and efficiently.
 
OutlawGER said:
The answer is simple: Müller and Schweinsteiger were authentic! They most likely said what they had in their mind, while Kroos and Lahm always were like a perfect robotic professional.
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Kroos *was* authentic, problem was, he was absolutely authentic as a typical northern-german very reserved character who never wastes a word or shows much emotion.

About Ancelotti, well he is the safe option, isn't he. After the intensity of training with Pep (and many of them winning the WC on top), the players may enjoy his more relaxd way of coaching.
 
strongwalker said:
Kroos *was* authentic, problem was, he was absolutely authentic as a typical northern-german very reserved character who never wastes a word or shows much emotion.

About Ancelotti, well he is the safe option, isn't he. After the intensity of training with Pep (and many of them winning the WC on top), the players may enjoy his more relaxd way of coaching.
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Kroos showed often enough that you do not run when you lost the ball but let others do the dirty work. And some arrogant interviews especially at the beginning of his career - I guess the media guys after that used him to give them this kind of answers...

When you look onto the rise of injuries in the recent 2 and a half seasons that could be a big advantage...

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The injury situation this season did not get better. Less longtime injuries (Badstuber, Martinez, Thiago) but a lot more of the smaller ones.

He comes to a good balanced team.
 
Bayern wasted no time here as they had planned it perfectly, he can win them CL.
 
Mani said:
Bayern wasted no time here as they had planned it perfectly, he can win them CL.
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It is interesting that Ancelotti was the one that came up to Rummenigge in January and told him that he would like to coach the club one day...
 
I think the "problem" with Kroos is that he's just another professional mercenary. That's not a bad thing, don't get me wrong. Lewandowski is the same I guess. Most players probably are. He won't "identify" with his team, whatever that means, because he takes football as the thing it is: A business.
Müller on the other hand is handling it like a business while still maintaining a degree of "identification" that most players can't or won't anymore, partially because of his background. I imagine he negotiates as hard as any other player, but I can see him turn down an even higher offer for the sake of staying at his club. He's properly homegrown, was never touted as a coming star in his teens (unlike Kroos) but kinda just showed up one day and turned out to be incredible. Kroos left home very young to pursue what many expected to be a great career ever since he was 16, Müller just "stayed at home" and turned out better than anyone could have ever imagined (outside the people working with him every day, perhaps). Small wonder he's more rooted at Bayern and more beloved by the fans than Kroos.
 
Piratesoup said:
I think the "problem" with Kroos is that he's just another professional mercenary. That's not a bad thing, don't get me wrong. Lewandowski is the same I guess. Most players probably are. He won't "identify" with his team, whatever that means, because he takes football as the thing it is: A business.
Müller on the other hand is handling it like a business while still maintaining a degree of "identification" that most players can't or won't anymore, partially because of his background. I imagine he negotiates as hard as any other player, but I can see him turn down an even higher offer for the sake of staying at his club. He's properly homegrown, was never touted as a coming star in his teens (unlike Kroos) but kinda just showed up one day and turned out to be incredible. Kroos left home very young to pursue what many expected to be a great career ever since he was 16, Müller just "stayed at home" and turned out better than anyone could have ever imagined (outside the people working with him every day, perhaps). Small wonder he's more rooted at Bayern and more beloved by the fans than Kroos.
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Dunno if there s so much difference between Müller and Kroos. Imagine if Bayern refused to pay Müller more than the 3Mio he was on a few years ago, he would be gone in a jiffy. If LvG hadn't started to play him, he would have gone to Hoffe.
Kroos (somewhat rightfully) didn't feel appreciated, he felt he was worth more $$$ which in the business *is* a measurement for appreciation and rank in the team, so drew the consequences and went where people *did* appreciate his skill.

Actually, this undelines a bit what i meant above about Kroos' character: He came along as if he didn't care much about the club, but that might just have been because thats how he is, hard to imagine him playing clown on the city hall balcony.
 
I take Kroos honest but cold and distant style over Müller's fake 'authentic' funny and media darling style any day of the week. Müller is just as arrogant btw., just shows it in a different way.
 
strongwalker said:
Well there are bavaraians and suevans who don't, but those bavarians that *eat sauerkraut* or those suevans that *are counting money* definitely fit the stereotype.
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Even If I would give you that (which I don't, these stereotypes are stupid) most people would connect the "northern" (Kroos is more like eastern btw) way with people like Schmidt, von Dohnany or maybe Scholz. Dry humour, sometimes aristocratic behaviour. People like these gyus fot that.

Kroos was just an arrogant prick at the beginning of his career and started to say nothing whatsoever afterwards. That's no "northern" behaviour.
 
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