Probably because it turned to absolute shit.
Celebrity Allegations, #MeToo etc
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Probably because it turned to absolute shit.
He should have just left it with the statement of not remembering it but apologizing if it did happen. There was really no reason to go on about his sexuality, which at the end of the day is not the issue. Whether he had done this to a 14 year old girl, boy, or some other gender the issue does not change.
Not surprised to now see the story coming out (was told years ago by Spacey's brother) about their father being a sexual abuser. As horrible as that is, two wrongs don't make a right.
Kevin Spacey's brother told you that?
He told the whole world ages ago.. you can look it up
Maybe the thread title could use an update to encompass all these Hollywood cases?
There's always been something wrong with Kevin Spacey. Something not quite right. And it's come out (quite literally) now. This Harvey Weinstein thing is going to expose others in Hollywood as well. They should face justice. When is something going to happen to Bill Cosby?
Spacey has been my favourite actor for years. This news has shocked me to be honest. I've never heard of anything dodgy about him before and if anything, I thought he was just a very busy man in the field of acting.
Seems to appear that he is more similar to Lester Burnham than we think.
I guess the next few weeks will be critical for his reputation and career.
Seems to appear that he is more similar to Lester Burnham than we think.
I guess the next few weeks will be critical for his reputation and career.
I think he's probably done. His statement dodged actually denying the assault itself, and the way he handled the whole thing with the attempted deflection, as if somehow being gay was part of the reason as to why he might have done what he did, was horrendous.
Seth MacFarlane has gone up in my estimation. I love the way he calls these cnuts out.
Kevin Spacey: I’m gay
American beauty explained a lot
Yeah I'm failing to see the issue with him coming out to be fair. He's wanted to keep his sexuality hidden but he couldn't with this story.
On first read i actually thought fair play at least he's not hiding behind a false perception that he's straight.
Would appreciate a PM too if possible. Must have been ignorance but I didn't know anything about the rumors of Spacey.
Same, I was tracking some of this yesterday but only just fully caught up this morning. I really am shocked about it all and he has been my favorite actor for a long time too.
He's said for years that his sexuality is nobodies business but his own and then he chooses to come out when he is accused of sexual assault. Clearly he is using it to deflect from the seriousness of the allegations and he has been called out by quite a few people on this but I think Zachary Quinto sums it up perfectly:
An acid test to the sincerity of Spacey's comments is to ask yourself what relevance does him being gay have if he is innocent of the assault?
He's had plenty of occasions for him to be open about his sexuality, and in those instances he chose to keep quiet and insist that his sexuality is none of our concern, (which is true) based on that - he should have kept the same energy and kept his sexuality out of the same conversation when it comes to responding to these sexual assault claims.
Also, as recently as a few months ago, he joked about 'coming out' while hosting at the Tony's; https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...coming-out-at-the_us_593f3f8de4b0b65670e56d7d
Now he's been accused of these allegations, suddenly he's comfortable to live his life openly as a gay man? Sorry, I don't buy it.
I'm not sure what the ins and outs are about pedophilia and sexuality, but I don't think most people assume pedophiles are gay?
Being gay implies having some sort of sexual interaction, and raping a child is not sex, even if they are the same gender as you. Rape in general is not sex.
So he could have denied the allegations, or said he had no recollection of it if he chose to do so, and kept his sexuality out of it.
Much appreciated, thank you.
Any chance of Pm'ing me too, please?
Kevin Spacey, I’m gay and that’s it
Burn, Hollywood, burn?
@Raoul this seems appropriate.
done
I sort of understand why people are accusing him of trying to deflect attention, but I also kind of don't. He wanted to keep it private, but it sort of becomes relevant when you're accused of trying it on with a bloke. I don't see how him admitting his sexuality, hidden at the bottom of a lengthy apology letter, is supposed to detract from that? We all know what he's accused of, and if he's found guilty then let's hope he gets what he deserves.
Until such time though, I can't say I'm comfortable with everyone on twitter selling him out already as if he's Weinstein part 2.
Until such time though, I can't say I'm comfortable with everyone on twitter selling him out already as if he's Weinstein part 2.
Spacey had no reason to hide his sexuality other than his own choice. These accusations didn't change that, he's put himself right out there now and it's harder to see why he'd do that for any legitimate reason than it is to see that it's deflection.
Quinto is right, why do it now?
Quinto is right, why do it now?
When he admitted the possibility that the incident might have happened and apologised, he had already come out. If he was heterosexual, he'd simply have said, "Even though I don't recall the night in question, this couldn't have happened because I'm not gay."
Since he had implicitly outed himself in the first part of the statement, it made sense to explicitly acknowledge his homosexuality in the next paragraph. There was nothing gratuitous about it.
I suspect if the explicit 'confession' had been omitted, the same critics on social media would have attacked him for dishonesty: "Even now the cowardly little shit won't say he's gay!" etc.
The truth is that he's not being attacked for what he said, but for the embarrassment to the 'cause' of what he did. The last thing politically correct liberalism and the gay movement want is to revive the link between homosexuality and paedophilia they have worked so hard to censor from public discourse. Because of his fame, Spacey's story is a setback in the public cosmeticization of homosexual life. Hence the anger.
Yeah. Making vague, inside jokes for his cartoon show that people only get years later once the news is out. What a hero.
I kind of agree. I mean, I don't want to belittle the accusation/incident - but should really his whole career burn to the ground?
Then again, there could be other stories with him that are worse - but the point is, we don't know that at the moment.
Vile as ever, Will.
Her tweets are, erm, interestingly written.
Ffs, not Ari too!
Bill Cosby you say. Mr “I love puddin’, puddin’ my dick where I shouldn’t“.
Should have been arrested years ago.
"Politically correct liberalism and the gay movement" here meaning "people who aren't braindead scumbags".
This entire thing should remove all traces of passion and masculinity from hooking up in the future.
How so?
Well technically, touching someone without their consent can be considered sexual assault, so I doubt after all of this anyone would want to make the first move unless they are 100% sure it will be well received.