Maybe I'm alone on this but actively calling yourself a feminism is just a bit weird isn't ? Also from the bit's I've seen of Aziz talk about feminism it seems so water down and simplistic that even as a man it was sort of annoying.
Celebrity Allegations, #MeToo etc
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It's depressing and a bit worrying that her character and/or motive for wanting to meet up is part of the argument. She could be a mad, flirty, celeb chasing nymphomaniac and that would still have no bearing on whether the behaviour described is acceptable or not. Neither does oral sex later negate, or lessen the severity of actions at an earlier time.
Is this just typically bad interwebs reasoning or are some people feeling the need to justify their own behaviour in similar situations?
Also LCK showing his dick to unsuspecting women seems less severe to me than someone putting their fingers down an unwilling persons throat or forcing someone who is expressing discomfort to touch your dick again and again, whether or not you had a drink or kiss beforehand - or even oral sex after.
Again I'm for due process and such and it's not up to me to throw someones career in the trash, but if we are debating the described behaviour rather than some epistemic nature of contrasting reports or wildly speculating, then I don't think it is acceptable on a social level or perhaps a criminal justuce level either.
Is this just typically bad interwebs reasoning or are some people feeling the need to justify their own behaviour in similar situations?
Also LCK showing his dick to unsuspecting women seems less severe to me than someone putting their fingers down an unwilling persons throat or forcing someone who is expressing discomfort to touch your dick again and again, whether or not you had a drink or kiss beforehand - or even oral sex after.
Again I'm for due process and such and it's not up to me to throw someones career in the trash, but if we are debating the described behaviour rather than some epistemic nature of contrasting reports or wildly speculating, then I don't think it is acceptable on a social level or perhaps a criminal justuce level either.
Great piece
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fecking awful piece of shit. One crap article doesn't deserve ten more crap articles in response.
but elizabeth bruenig actually rules
To be fair, it doesn't matter what he did. The most important thing is the lady felt violated, by him. That is enough justification for a minimum 2 years prison without parole. And registered in the sex offender register. Only leniency is to maybe allow him to release himself of any sexual tensions once every month.
ill read it later I'm off to watch Logan.
Why do you think it is a joke? Don't you agree with the premise?
Thought it was very well done. A welcome departure from the usual herd behavior PC logic.
Its only fair that the woman has her name revealed given that she and the writer have attempted to take down Ansari's career.
for fecks sake
I think she seems a tad bitter tbh. Seems like the classic female reaction after finding out the man she was on a date with 'only wanted one thing'.
She wanted revenge after finding out he didn't want anything more than that. And as much as it sucks for women that they have to wade through men that are like that to find ones that are willing to stick around, most women know better than to suck the guy off in the hope of convincing him of date number 2.
She wanted revenge after finding out he didn't want anything more than that. And as much as it sucks for women that they have to wade through men that are like that to find ones that are willing to stick around, most women know better than to suck the guy off in the hope of convincing him of date number 2.
Sounds like exactly what happened. Except here, the woman and her writer attempted to leverage the legitimate sentiment of the MeToo movement to seek revenge on Ansari's career.
Yep. I really don't want to come across insensitive here, but it does seem as if #metoo was a convenient, passing bandwagon and she felt bitter enough towards him that she jumped on board.
No doubt about it. If the MeToo movement wasn't in play, this story would've never seen the light of day. The writer probably also thought this would be her own ticket to fame.
To be honest, I know nothing about the guy Ansari, I'm not a fan of his. I literally haven't seen anything of him.
And I regularly get called overly PC on this very forum, but after reading that article (the original one, by the woman), it made me feel really uncomfortable, and not in the way the article was trying to make me feel uncomfortable...
It's written so slanted and loaded and makes it sound like something that it's not. He comes across as overly keen, yes, pushy even. But overly keen, or pushy (on it's own) does not equal what's being made out of him with this.
It casts the story almost like the woman is some kind of helpless innocent being literally abused, and because of some of the real incidents like that involving famous people, it encourages your mind to create the same feelings, but it's not the same.
I hope a line is drawn with this one, because, based on that story alone, that guy doesn't deserve to have his whole career ruined.
It's not as if I don't have sympathy for the girl in question either. It's a minefield for women, and I've seen this just recently with a female friend of mine. This guy led her on for 4 months about how he really liked her, then as soon as she slept with him he wasn't interested anymore. Now that strikes me as worse because he pretended to want a relationship, there was some deception involved. Here, it seems pretty clear what he wanted from the start. It also seems pretty clear she knew this.
I'm not a fan of his either. I saw one program of his on Netflix a while back and didn't bother to finish it.
This is going to be the theme for a while, I think. We're in the 'backlash' stage and as such women are going to regularly be cast in this way, born of a feeling that men have been unfairly negatively cast during the prior stages.
It's depressingly predictable and best ignored.
The relevant thing is the 'movement' has altered things and we wait for the next stage, be that months or years.
From the first 3 minutes of The Young Turks:
female dickhead said:
Throughout the course means only at the very end don't ya know I'm a fecking hack piece of shit.female dickhead seconds later said:
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Around 8 minutes into the video:
male dickhead said:
‘Whoa, let’s relax for a sec, let’s chill.’
“He really kept doing it after I moved it away.”
Most of my discomfort was expressed in me pulling away and mumbling.
“I know I was physically giving off cues that I wasn’t interested. I don’t think that was noticed at all, or if it was, it was ignored.”
hurdur I used to be a conservatave now I'm right and I done some medias... and she drank wine... kill me please.
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I couldn't stand more than ten minutes, and can only be bothered to pick out the two most egregious examples of hackery.
Ah feck it. if we're not going to be dealing with what was reported in the article and instead retell the story to serve our own gratification - omitting details and inventing new ones - then I honestly can't be fecked with it. I haven't the time to correct the copious amounts of bullshitting in every response piece I've read so far. feck social media, feck this phoney baloney bullshit rhetoric, it's poison.
I give up.
"this attention seeker needs to expose herself"
Bloody hell , only just read that Babe.net article (Does this site have any credibility?? I thought I was about to NSFW shit pop up).
Proper hack job, just trying to destroy someone's career over essential a bad date.
“It was white,” she said. “I didn’t get to choose and I prefer red, but it was white wine.”
are they serious? Trying to build up an image the whole article that Aziz had control over this woman and she was just a poor helpless lamb to the slaughter.
Proper hack job, just trying to destroy someone's career over essential a bad date.
“It was white,” she said. “I didn’t get to choose and I prefer red, but it was white wine.”
are they serious? Trying to build up an image the whole article that Aziz had control over this woman and she was just a poor helpless lamb to the slaughter.It was more likely that he recognised that she was uncomfortable, but didn't care and turned it up a notch. He's a perceptive person. It's more likely that he knew that she was very uncomfortable but also rather intimidated by him being a celebrity. Chances are he might have thought he could have continued making her do stuff to her and he might have made her have penetrative sex as well. She then obviously left after that could happen.
I'm wary about this scorched earth policy of the Me Too movement in which men are labelled as either completely innocent or completely guilty. But Ansari behaved disgustingly in that situation. He used his 'celebrity' status to get his way with her even though she didn't want to.
What a contradiction. You're wary that this movement is labelling men either completely innocent or completely guilty....but you think after reading the babe article that Aziz Ansari is completely guilty. I don't think you are that wary.
You've read one clearly bias article, and a statement from Ansari. How about winding in the "he was more than likely" crap. Pure speculation.
That's the issue, a worthy movement that empowered victims is going to end up as a negative symbol of vindictive behaviour. I can definitely see it as a form of revenge porn aa that article above proposes.
The authors of that peice are not even proper journalists, they didn't even interview him for a response. Journalistic integrity has gone out the window as MeToo already has credibility. You know that website was relishing the hits.
I might be in the minority on this one but i think the Woody Allen backlash is terrible. Everyone has known about the accusations and were comfortable that he was not proven guilty but now it's been brought up again by Farrow stars have lept on the bandwagon against him as they don't want to be on the wrongside of MeToo. A few thankfully have stood by him.
Not sure what you mean, he clearly was a dipshit as he kept trying it but when she definitively said no, she got an Uber ride home. Are you expecting celebs not to get with non-celebs or are you inferring that Ansari did worse than was actually even referred to in the article.
He married his partners daughter. Even if he didn't rape a different one, he's a fecking creep of epic proportions.
Not going to argue that isn't creepy but it has nothing to do with MeToo nor my point. As i stated MeToo has been leveraged to do damage to his career despite no one previously having an issue working with him.
The actors now throwing him under the bus do not come off well from this fake posturing.
I agree and have always thought so. Hollywood defence of Palonski is far worse too. But he has a valid point that a lot of hollywood stars happily stood behind and supported both of them before these scandals and are not going a complete 180 or staying quiet. Someone like Meryl Streep should be asked hard questions in an interview about her support to both of these men.
Yeah, let's expose her to death threats from the gamergate guys as revenge for something that we have wildly speculated to be the case!
I've read all 57 pages of this thread but still can't decide if it's sexual assault or plain old creepiness
Haven't really followed this anymore, but the last three pages showed exactly the result I thought this movement would have: it's become utterly insane and raided by the worst kind of feminists of all genders.
Oh dear.
I also agree with the seemingly unpopular idea that Woody Allen is being treated rather unfairly. While it's important to treat accusers as if they're telling the truth, that doesn't extend to automatically treating the accused as if they're guilty. I don't think one unproven accusation by one person should be enough to see someone widely condemned in the way Allen has been.
Him being a creep by marrying his ex's adopted daughter is neither here nor there as it has nothing to with child abuse accusations.
Him being a creep by marrying his ex's adopted daughter is neither here nor there as it has nothing to with child abuse accusations.
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Katie Way sounds like an unstable nutjob. Given her unhinged email to Ashleigh, I wouldn't be surprised if she completely embellished the hell out of the girl's story to weaponize it to suit her own agenda.