You are correct on both counts but I also know of quite a few false accusations. You see the police are generally unlikely to prosecute women for making those allegations and many of the falsely accused are so relieved to be free of that burden that they are unlikely to pursue the matter to get civil relief. Therefore those stats are also often under-reported.
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You are correct on both counts but I also know of quite a few false accusations. You see the police are generally unlikely to prosecute women for making those allegations and many of the falsely accused are so relieved to be free of that burden that they are unlikely to pursue the matter to get civil relief. Therefore those stats are also often under-reported.
Whereas they're extremely likely to prosecute allegations of sexual assault?
seriously, what planet do you live on?I'm not denying that people make false allegations but they're far outweighed by the number of sexual assaults. Again, I find it weird that you'd prefer to give the benefit of doubt to the accused.
Isn’t that exactly what’s supposed to happen? Otherwise why bother with a trial?Whereas they're extremely likely to prosecute allegations of sexual assault?
I'm not denying that people make false allegations but they're far outweighed by the number of sexual assaults. Again, I find it weird that you'd prefer to give the benefit of doubt to the accused.
How about not giving anyone the benefit of the doubt and just await the trial?
Seen an article that comedian Katherine Ryan has said it's an open secret a famous tv star is a predator.
Do they hold no moral or ethical values at all to report said person to the police?
What if the person abuses/attacks someone else?
Do they hold no moral or ethical values at all to report said person to the police?
What if the person abuses/attacks someone else?
That’s what I mean really, just hold fire on any assumptions until the facts come out. It isn’t perfect but it’s still the best system we’ve got up to this point.How about not giving anyone the benefit of the doubt and just await the trial?
If it hasn’t happened to them then what can they do? I’m assuming they’ve tried to talk the victims into coming forward but they just don’t want to. They’re probably very aware of what can happen if they just name and shame people with no evidence. It’s a tough situation for her to be in.
Why do you not answer the question? Where did you get the idea that this has anything to do with this specific case? If you're just looking to vent (or virtue signal), you should have made that absolutely clear and not replied directly to a post about a specific case.
It's not about believing the accused over the accuser. The problem is that there are false reports, people lie whether for compensation, revenge or simply to receive attention. There's many documented cases. Let's say 20% of cases are false, are we happy with those 20% being imprisoned and cancelled?
What do you think would actually happen if Katherine Ryan were to report this to the police?
Less than 2% of rape cases reported to the police in England & Wales in 2020 resulted in a charge, so that's the very depressing context. And in this particular case she has zero evidence, zero first hand experience and would literally just be reporting rumour. Even if she could name someone she thinks might have been assaulted, that person is someone who either didn't want to report it to the police themselves or already reported it to no effect. What reason would anyone have to believe that report is going to prevent anyone from being attacked?
Given all the reasons women are disinclined to report their own sexual assaults to the police, it's a bit much to expect them to report rumours about other people. Especially when the person they'd be accusing is someone who, according to Ryan, "lots of people" have already failed to hold to account.
And beyond that, if women reported every single story or rumour they heard about other women being sexually assaulted then they'd barely be out of contact with the police.
Let's not
https://www.maine.gov/dps/mcja/docs/Mandatory-Law/Handout 2 - So How Many Rape Reports are False.doc
https://www.brown.edu/campus-life/h...g-violence/myths-about-sexual-assault-reports
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45565684
https://web.archive.org/web/2018010...gov/conference/handouts/False-Allegations.pdf
For other crimes, yeah I'd agree. Sexual assault is different, in my opinion, purely because of the nature of it and how difficult it is to prove.
It just doesn't sit right that she's happy to say in an interview it's well know this star is a predator (kids?) But then not try and do something about it.
I don't know what the solution is but it's maddening that nothing can be done about these kinds of people
Shouldn't it always only be about two things; the presumption of innocence until proven guilty, and the proper presentation/proof of valid evidence, that removes any doubt.
If, in the cases of assault/rape, the current burden of proof in law is at present deemed to be set too high, then the laws on evidence should be changed.
The problem in many rape cases seems always to be, especially between adults of legal age, to come down to whether consent was asked for/given or refused.
If, in the cases of assault/rape, the current burden of proof in law is at present deemed to be set too high, then the laws on evidence should be changed.
The problem in many rape cases seems always to be, especially between adults of legal age, to come down to whether consent was asked for/given or refused.
It's not particularly high in most western judicial systems. Presumption of innoncence is the cornerstone of criminal law in most civilized countries and cannot be tempered with unless its for very, very specific reasons (minors for exemple since we consider they can't really give their informed consent).
That's the drama in sexual misconduct or rape cases, victims are supposed to prove they didn't give their consent and that's rarely possible unless there's visible traces of agression (i'll spear you the details), but there's not a whole lot you can change in the law to make it easier without tempering with presumption of innocence. The real first step would be to train police officers so they actually know how to deal with victims properly, beacuse it's rarely the case, a lot of them are not taken seriously.
I'm a lawyer btw.
The fact that this has been twisted to make Katherine Ryan the bad guy and not, you know, the star who’s a sexual predator (no mention of kids in the allegation) is a very good example of why lots of victims don’t come forward.
This research is based on zero evidence. Because you can't know in he said vs she said who is telling the truth. Tupac Shakur got done on for obvious BS sexual assault charges that ruined his life. I've had 2 women threaten me with BS rape accusations a couple of time without going through with it but they threatened to do so.1 of them, I didn't even have sex with after she was asking for sex all night long, after she said 'no' I stopped straight away. But because I rubbed my dick against her clit during foreplay that we both mutually agreed to and she said 'no' she thought she was raped when I stopped. Before this she kept asking if I had photos of my ex wife in my bedroom because she wanted the 'right atmosphere'. I've had another woman make up lies about me about domestic violence. And I've not had many girlfriends. Many women lie to get economic dominance over men or to punish them. Those studies aren't having sympathy to missacused men.
If you haven't been with such women, then it's good for you. But you could be devastated if you ever encounter one.
There's the evidence of the study, the link is the Web.archive link I Posted above
It doesn't say that false allegations don't happen but that they are don't happen that often
don’t laugh at him. all the ones i raped were exactly the same as his ones.
Jesus, these threads reveal some gems.
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Extraordinary.
I dunno guys, that seems like a pretty shitty situation if he's not fabricating it, and probably the kind of thing that'd cause you to take a more extreme viewpoint than is true. I've not had that sort of experience myself thankfully.
Probably not as much as getting shot did tbh.
*looks in thread*
*slowly backs out of thread*
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Get back in here, you coward. We’re just about to call Tupac a diddler.
Very true and I wouldn't wish that on anyone. I don't think that means he can just start pulling statistics out of thin air and dismissing actual studies done to look at the numbers though.
i see no charges, all i see is empty cases
misplaced claims makes disgrace to rapists
we under, i wonder what it takes to make this
one better place, let’s erase the whatsapps
take the evil out the people, they’ll be acting right, cos i’ll rub my dick against your clit tonight.
https://www.ladbible.com/news/celeb...f-rape-has-spoken-for-the-first-time-20180131
I think getting shot ruined 2pac's life more than my complicit in a sexual assault
And like... You weren't being coerced into posting this? You wrote this and posted it and weren't drunk?
I know, right? Holy hell.fecking hell the posters abusing the guy who shared his experiences aren't much better than the one saying they don't believe victims of sexual abuse.
If you're okay with online bullying (no mater who it is) then you're a cnut too.
The poster has obviously had multiple experiences that has clouded his views, much like anyone would and bullying him isn't a great way to get your point across to him, he'll likely double down on his views now, so well done cnuts.
On the topic at hand though, rape and sexual crimes has a staggeringly low conviction rate, I'm not smart enough to know how to solve that issue, but I'd hope many recognise that it is a huge problem.
Those saying that false allegations are an issue are correct too, but it doesn't take away from the fact that rape is under reported because of the low conviction rate, two issues can be present involving the same subject - rapists and predators staying out of prison at the rate they are is a much bigger problem though (this coming from a guy that has been falsely accused - don't make fun of me...).
If you're okay with online bullying (no mater who it is) then you're a cnut too.
The poster has obviously had multiple experiences that has clouded his views, much like anyone would and bullying him isn't a great way to get your point across to him, he'll likely double down on his views now, so well done cnuts.
On the topic at hand though, rape and sexual crimes has a staggeringly low conviction rate, I'm not smart enough to know how to solve that issue, but I'd hope many recognise that it is a huge problem.
Those saying that false allegations are an issue are correct too, but it doesn't take away from the fact that rape is under reported because of the low conviction rate, two issues can be present involving the same subject - rapists and predators staying out of prison at the rate they are is a much bigger problem though (this coming from a guy that has been falsely accused - don't make fun of me...).
What the feck is going on in here. Jesus Christ.
There's a time and a place for everything, but I'm not sure describing how you rubbed your dick on someone's clit, and that women often lie to punish you, is just sharing experiences. This isn't therapy, it's a thread about MeToo. He chose to bring it up and he chose how to bring it up.
Plus its a weird reaction to the old guy from Squid Game being accused of sexual misconduct. 99% of the people here hadn't even heard of him that long ago.
He was trying to make his point, a rather weird share clearly, but to then trash him isn't really constructive to trying to get him to see your point and won't do the guy any good when he seemingly isn't in a great space about the subject as is.
@P-Ro talking about his bacon sandwiches again