Champions League Round of 16 (12th Feb - 13th Mar)

SquishyMcSquish said:
Sometimes referees have to use common sense and be practical with the rules though.

Regardless, I think the rules on handball need some looking at, because any fan of a team who conceded a penalty like that would be rightly furious.
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Nope. Referees are law enforcers, not law makers. We always moan when they are not consistent, but if you ask them to be practical with rules, then how they can be consistent.

I don't have a problem with people thinking that the current rule is wrong, it might well be, but under the current rule it was a penalty. Referee did his job very well.
 
Thunderhead said:
I think it's a pen but it's not a clear and obvious error, I thought that was why VAR was being introduced, to eradicate clear and obvious errors.
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VAR was introduced to check big events (straight red cards, offsides leading to goals, goals and penalties) and to ensure that they are given correctly. No idea what clear and obvious is supposed to mean.
 
Revan said:
Nope. Referees are law enforcers, not law makers. We always moan when they are not consistent, but if you ask them to be practical with rules, then how they can be consistent.

I don't have a problem with people thinking that the current rule is wrong, it might well be, but under the current rule it was a penalty. Referee did his job very well.
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Yeah, in fairness I do think my view on this has shifted from referee error to the rules simply need changing.

For me, that should never, ever be a penalty incident, but it isn't the fault of the official.
 
Revan said:
VAR was introduced to check big events (straight red cards, offsides leading to goals, goals and penalties) and to ensure that they are given correctly. No idea what clear and obvious is supposed to mean.
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"Clear and obvious error" is the standard for overturning the ref's original decision.
 
SquishyMcSquish said:
Yeah, in fairness I do think my view on this has shifted from referee error to the rules simply need changing.

For me, that should never, ever be a penalty incident, but it isn't the fault of the official.
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I'm exactly the same. I still get mad if I see people arguing on here that the France v Croatia one was a penalty :lol:
 
RobinLFC said:
I'm exactly the same. I still get mad if I see people arguing on here that the France v Croatia one was a penalty :lol:
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I despised that penalty, for a goal like that to be given in a world cup final .... ergh, I really felt for Croatian fans.
 
SCP said:
Deserved for Porto. Congratulations @broccoli honorable club with no petrodollars only hardworking people. How many suspended players?
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Cheers! Although I'm well aware our SAD isn't that honest but that's for another topic. Can't ask more from the players they gave it all. Marega sprinting back on the 120th minute after recovering from a muscle injury is just insane. We still have many tactical issues and give too many blunders in the back so I am not really expecting anything more this time.
 
SCP said:
Well you can say honourable without saying everything done in the past was great.

By the way I hate Benfica on terms of football rivalry or Luis Filipe Vieira or Pinto da Costa as much as I hate our weak leadership over the decades.

Not related with this topic but you can just compare the people who work in the handball, futsal or youth football with the professional football and on one side you have competent people and on the other you have incompetent people.

Beside that it’s obvious I am mentioning at European level not internally.

Add to that the massive financial gap who will be created between us not reaching the Champions League for 2 consecutive years and them.

Of course we will need to sell players, now even Guimarães is putting us on court for Raphinha ffs.

By the way as I was watching Porto only watched the highlights from the other game and it’s incredible with so many players injured how United turned this around.

Congratulations for them and regarding PSG they seriously need to evaluate their competitive mentality on Europe.

Seriously Porto without money and players shows more attitude than them.

Of course now Porto reached their limit, the only team they can compete now is Ajax the others simply are another level for them.

Cheers, and next time at least let me be really drunk to discuss this.

By the way you are living in Portugal now or what?
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No I moved with my family to the United States. In Portugal we live on the outskirts of the city by Santa Cruz.
 
SquishyMcSquish said:
I love comments like this. Have some people ever actually played football?

Your immediate instinct when a ball is fired at you from close range is to turn your back to protect yourself, you do it without thinking. I've watched the clip over and over and Kimpembe simply does what was natural, his arm isn't lifted upwards or in an unnatural position.

There's no way he's got any intent whatsoever to stop that. If under the current rules that is a penalty, then the rule needs a serious rework. You call it 'balls' for the ref to give it, but there's a reason most referees won't entertain giving that kind of decision, because you'd have it happen all the time in stupid circumstances.
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Just because it’s an instinct doesn’t mean it should be allowed. By your reasoning players would just start turning there backs in that way to make themselves bigger and it would be completely legal.

He shouldn’t have turned his back and his arms wouldn’t make that movement. If you jump to block the ball face on, your natural reaction is to bring you arms in to cover yourself.

Its 50/50 and down to the ref’s interpretation of the rule.
 
Anyone seen this? Wenger predicted Kimbempe would be a risk for PSG.

 


Tough crowd.
 
Really shouldn't rule anything out after last week, but can anyone really see Schalke or Juventus doing it tonight? Atletico only need 1 to see Juve needing 4, and with how negatively they play, I just can't see it at all.
 
Tommy said:
Really shouldn't rule anything out after last week, but can anyone really see Schalke or Juventus doing it tonight? Atletico only need 1 to see Juve needing 4, and with how negatively they play, I just can't see it at all.
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Juventus have a chance.....2-0 and then penalty shoot-out why not.

If Schalke are going through then it would be the biggest upset ever!!!!!
 
I think Schalke will give City are scare but City should have enough to do it.

Juventus are at home so I think they have a good chance.
 
Douglas Costa, Khedira and Cuadrado still out, De Sciglio got injured plus Alex Sandro is suspended.

Juventus will have to play either Martin Caceres or Spinazzola as fullback.
 
Peyroteo said:
Douglas Costa, Khedira and Cuadrado still out, De Sciglio got injured plus Alex Sandro is suspended.

Juventus will have to play either Martin Caceres or Spinazzola as fullback.
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Do you think if Juventus gets knocked out tomorrow Allegeri is gone? I know you aren’t a big fan of his
 
Tommy said:
Really shouldn't rule anything out after last week, but can anyone really see Schalke or Juventus doing it tonight? Atletico only need 1 to see Juve needing 4, and with how negatively they play, I just can't see it at all.
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Yes Juventus definitely have a decent chance. But it depends on the first goal. If that goes in for them, 2-0 or 3-0 to Juve isn't really that extraordinary a result. Just like 2-0 to Atletico wasn't for them either. They're both quality sides and you'd argue that Juve have more firepower.

On the other hand, Schalke have little chance IMO. City are too strong for them.
 
Daysleeper said:
Do you think if Juventus gets knocked out tomorrow Allegeri is gone? I know you aren’t a big fan of his
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I think he should stay regardless. Only has one more year on his contract and there’s no reason why he shouldn’t end it.

It’s not true I’m not an Allegri fan, I’d just like for him to have them play more entertaining football in those easy league games but it’s not really important. Juve’s problems this season have more to do with injuries and lack of quality in certain positions than with any tactics imo.

No manager should have to play a Matuidi-Bentancur-Emre Can midfield away at Atlético and be expected to win the Champions League. They’ve had injuries to Mandzukic, Cancelo, Costa, Cuadrado, Khedira, etc.. which haven’t helped so I think Allegri’s been unlucky more than anything else.
 
Heard on the radio today that Juventus will look to become the first team to overturn a 2-0 defeat after the first leg. Is that presenter for real? Guess he lives under a rock :lol:.
 
It would be a huge risk of Simeone falls into the trap of trying to defend his lead. It's a simple game for Allegri.
 
Trizy said:
Heard on the radio today that Juventus will look to become the first team to overturn a 2-0 defeat after the first leg. Is that presenter for real? Guess he lives under a rock :lol:.
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:lol:

Our last two CL knockout wins alone were games where we overturned a 2-0 loss from the first leg.

Olympiakos and PSG.
 
Trizy said:
Heard on the radio today that Juventus will look to become the first team to overturn a 2-0 defeat after the first leg. Is that presenter for real? Guess he lives under a rock :lol:.
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Maybe he means with the first fixture away? But even then, it's wrong - Barca PSG a few years back
 
one of the biggest, if not the biggest challenge for Ronaldo in his career. I actually can't even remember when was the last time his team entered the game with such result. I remember Barca needing to beat Milan after losing 2-0 at San Siro + against Bayern when they lost 4-0 in first game + PSG when they lost 4-0 in Paris. I remember us losing against Porto and Roma when Ron was still here, but I don't think this can be compared to that.

anyway, I still think Juve have fair chances if they don't concede because there's nothing between the two teams and Atletico apparently have some injuries in defence. at least that's what I've read yesterday, but just couldn't bother checking it out.

City - Schalke? something like 5 or 6 to City and possible hattrick for Aguero.
 
Bole Top said:
one of the biggest, if not the biggest challenge for Ronaldo in his career. I actually can't even remember when was the last time his team entered the game with such result. I remember Barca needing to beat Milan after losing 2-0 at San Siro + against Bayern when they lost 4-0 in first game + PSG when they lost 4-0 in Paris. I remember us losing against Porto and Roma, but I don't think this can be compared to that.

anyway, I still think Juve have fair chances if they don't concede because there's nothing between the two teams and Atletico apparently have some injuries in defence. that's what I've read yesterday, but just couldn't bother checking it out.

City - Schalke? something like 5 or 6 to City and possible hattrick for Aguero.
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Madrid were 2-0 down vs Wolfsburg (I think) in the first leg, return leg Ronaldo scored hat trick.
 
Anustart89 said:
No but forget the last 15 years mate. Tonight's the real test for Ronaldo to prove himself as a top, top player.
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Hilarious isn't it? Players like Ronaldo, Messi and few more don't have to prove anything, they have already proved themselves.
 
roonster09 said:
Ronaldo is one of the best ever, today doesn't prove anything.
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Anustart89 said:
No but forget the last 15 years mate. Tonight's the real test for Ronaldo to prove himself as a top, top player.
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Read his post - it said "still a top top elite player". Whether you agree with the statement or not, the fact that he's one of the best ever or how he did in the last 15 years is irrelevant to the fact whether he's still a top top elite player (which he still is imo).
 
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