He was also at the forefront of the birther movement in an attempt to de-legitimatize the first black president. The piece of scum could not even bring him self admit that Obama was born in the USA until late into the election cycle.
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He was also at the forefront of the birther movement in an attempt to de-legitimatize the first black president. The piece of scum could not even bring him self admit that Obama was born in the USA until late into the election cycle.
Yeah, let's not jump to conclusions and accuse these guys of being nazis, I mean come on why would we possibly think such a thing..
No, nobody is doing that. That's dumb. There isn't any problem with the concept of anti-fascism. The problem is with them resorting to their levels of depravity, and Antifa have been guilty of that in recent months. That's not "false equivalence," that's the logical conclusion after seeing their actions. Uniting under the concept of 'anti-fascism' doesn't excuse them if they want to run riot, it means they're deserving of criticism.
They weren't responsible for the rise of the far right, but they've escalated the situation of late. There's no spinning that.
Come on, then, what's "doing something about it"? Prominent Republicans came out and condemned it. What more are we expecting from them? As for people on the left side of the political spectrum, what are they supposed to do? Go out onto the street and get into a riot like Antifa want to? No, thanks.
The only thing ironic about her awful song was that it had absolutely feck all to do with irony thus making it ironic. I sincerely doubt it was intentional and she worked it out for herself.
Yeah, let's not jump to conclusions and accuse these guys of being nazis, I mean come on why would we possibly think such a thing..
Who exactly are you responding to with posts like this? Literally nobody argued what you appear to be trying to refute.
Initiating violence? Oh really, because last I saw the Trump rallies had plenty of casual violence of their own, mostly directed towards any black people who happened to be nearby.
Oh gosh, did the poor dear have his paedophile supporting propoganda interrupted by those meanies?
By fighting racists and nazis wherever they are found. In case you missed the memo, telling them that they're being very naughty has achieved absolutely feck all.
They could start by putting white supremacists back on terror watch lists, as the Trump administration removed as soon as he took office.
Though my name says 'neutral', I am anything but...Just as I'm for jihadis getting being ugly mugs smashed in when they spew their hateful, murderous bile in public, I'm the same when it comes to neo nazis.
I'm glad someone is standing up to them on the streets, while the vast majority of us who belong to the 102nd Chairborne Rangers sit at home and hone our skills as Keyboard Warriors.
I'm glad someone is standing up to them on the streets, while the vast majority of us who belong to the 102nd Chairborne Rangers sit at home and hone our skills as Keyboard Warriors.
I thought the White supremacists/KKK were protesting the proposed removal of the statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee at Emancipation Park in Charlotsville.
The KKK are closely associated to discrimination and hatred against 'African Americans' and any position against Islamist terrorism is very recent.
Lastly, no major news channel has made the link you did; CNN just published a report specifically on this subject and your link was not made. The protesters want to assert white power back into USA.
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Yes, an actual solution. Meanwhile, I'm still wondering what going out and assaulting people is going to accomplish other than escalating the situation.
No nerves except your hypocricy
Quite. Also the thought of antifa welcoming centre right folk who are against racism into the cause with open arms is a little far fetched to say the least.
@Kentonio what point are you trying to make here exactly? Fener and I are saying that for months antifa have been initiating violence against people who aren't Nazis or fascists or racists. Are we wrong?
In the UK it has served on numerous occasions as a message to the fascists that they're actually pathetic peices of shit and not the glorious master race they like to imagine.
Man I thought we were done with this shit 3 pages ago 
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You should easily be able to find some links supporting this claim then.
Prominent Republicans came out an condemned this incident because they pretty much had to, it's too big to ignore (unless you're Trump of course). Not that I'm not saying they shouldn't have - I'm saying it's too little too late.
There's no room for acceptance of hate speech, instead of changing the narrative to 'stop calling everyone Nazis' we need to be united against the Nazi's.
Nobody who isn't racist needs to convince others that they aren't racist.
I think you'll find that at no point did I say Trump or his support aren't racist. I do think there is an element of Trump supporters, or perhaps a better term would be voters who were able to put aside his horrible rhetoric because they thought he could improve their lives economically and that he wouldn't act on what he said. There are also anti-immigration sentiments that, while I don't agree with them, aren't necessarily racist.
My initial point was probably rather poorly worded, it was more my intention to say that these people in Charlottesville are the front line soldiers of a movement, not all of his supporters are going to go on rallies and promote and actively instigate violence, that doesn't excuse anybody with horrible ideas.
Like I said, i'm not trying to excuse anyone or say Trump or his support aren't racist but I obviously see more grey areas than you guys do.
ok mate.I remember a long time ago walking home one day from school when I was a kid , some random guy stood in front of me and did this salute, at the time I had no idea what was going on and just brushed it off as nothing.
Is it less racist if they can't do it properly?
The whole Milo event
Girl in the Make Bitcoin Great Again getting maced while minding her own business
The guy getting smacked with a bike lock
Numerous videos of fireworks been thrown into crowds of people at that free speech rally in Berkeley
Just off the top of my head. Google any of these.
Yeah, I don't see any grey areas when it comes to still supporting Trump.
I can maybe forgive someone who voted for him initially on the premise of economic advancement, or disrupting the status quo for example - but anyone who still supports him now - is either a racist or doesn't care that he is one, and I don't see any grey areas with that, I don't think there can be, not anymore.
Bingo.
There's a lot more people who aren't nazis than there are nazis. Every time extremists get power in a country, everyone turns around later and goes 'How did this happen?! There were so few of them!'. Well it happens because peoplesit back and don't believe that the extremists will succeed. They allow them to be extreme because they think common sense will prevail, and then by the time it doesn't its too late. These cnuts need to be put back into their nasty little box quickly and hard.
This is assbackwards. One side of the political spectrum has made a habit of disenfranchising and attempting to disenfranchise minorities, attempted to introduce Muslim bans and are trying to build a feck off wall to stop the hoards of dirty Mexicans. Republican policy, presidential sentiment and a burgeoning right wing bullshit machine mainstreaming their sentiments is what's fueled the rise of the supremacist right. Antifa - a small left wing organisational movement - owes its existence to being a response to such stuff.
Sure, some of these people have been running around and smashing stuff up. Shame on them - the right now have a lovely little storytime tidbit to wheel out on cue - "Lookee here, the evil left do it too". Then again we have various states passing laws limiting protestor's rights, various state administrations making it harder to vote, families split up via deportations, the Baltimore police force being found to be systemically racist. This is not an exhaustive list. Who's doing the real violence here? Antifa is a predictable and inevitable outcome of this state of affairs.
The problem here is that if all you have to do to call yourself centre-right is call out some Nazi cosplay artists then Cruz and Sessions are dangerously close to becoming the avatars of moderation.
Sure, some of these people have been running around and smashing stuff up. Shame on them - the right now have a lovely little storytime tidbit to wheel out on cue - "Lookee here, the evil left do it too". Then again we have various states passing laws limiting protestor's rights, various state administrations making it harder to vote, families split up via deportations, the Baltimore police force being found to be systemically racist. This is not an exhaustive list. Who's doing the real violence here? Antifa is a predictable and inevitable outcome of this state of affairs.
The problem here is that if all you have to do to call yourself centre-right is call out some Nazi cosplay artists then Cruz and Sessions are dangerously close to becoming the avatars of moderation.
What i meant is that white supremacists and right-wing people always tend to see Soros behind everything.
Does anyone know what % of Americans sympathise with the White Spermacy protesters in Charlotsville?
There's also no room for going out and assaulting people and engaging in other questionable actions, but people appear to have fewer problems with those. One is hate and so it the other, and accepting either of them is setting a very dangerous precedent.
Yes, I get all of that. I do live in a country that serves as a stark reminder of the potential for the rise of fascism and its consequences. However, denouncing their rabid response isn't necessarily equatable to being passive and forgetting all of history's lessons. We don't all have to be at one of the extreme ends of that spectrum.
I'm not sure if White Spermacy was intentional, but that's a brilliant spelling.
And I would say whatever % still approves of Trump would be a good place to start.
So basically you've picked out a couple of examples of random acts of violence against Trump supporters. Please provide links to Anti-fascist organizations 'inititiating violence' against Trump supporters, which was what your actual claim was. If you just want to play a game of 'random acts of violence' then I'm more than happy to link you to the endless list of blacks and liberals getting beaten up by Trump supporters while either protesting completely peacefully or just happening to walk past at the wrong moment.
If you think you're going to win some kind of moral high ground by painting the non-fascists and racists as the violent ones, then you're deluding yourself.
Intended and thanks for noting
Yeah, next approval ratings will be very intersesting. Because like you suggest, this issue should supercede all others.
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How did Turkey maintain its secular system for so long? Did the army just ask governments nicely to tone it down when they started getting too extreme?
Third from right looks like a diva who's about to say "I don't think so" and turn around.
People wouldn't need to assault Nazi'd didn't exist.
Also - you say this as if the racists aren't also being violence & aggressive?
I think I read a statistic that said that over 2/3's of American terrorism is carried out by white supremacists, add that to the incident yesterday and I would say it's far more of an issue to be assaulted or possibly killed by a white supremacist than those protesting them.
This 'whataboutism' is so tiring.
Ivanka trying to do some damage limitation by doing daddy's work for him
Whilst I don't necessarily agree 100% with you (although i'd imagine we're not too far off) I fully respect why you'd come to that conclusion.
Not sure I want to know, it's only going to be depressing.
Intended and thanks for noting
Yeah, next approval ratings will be very intersteting. Because like you suggest, this issue should supercede all others.
It takes a special kind of idiot to openly advocate the possibility of Nuclear War, and that's not the worst thing he's done in the same week.
Was there any police presence at that White nationalist rally? I remember during the police brutality protests there used to be loads of policemen with guns around.