Yeah, I know you and I have disagreed about Icardi but that's why I really feel like he's about the best solution in the current market-young enough to have room to grow but has a proven track record of success in a top league.
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Yeah, I know you and I have disagreed about Icardi but that's why I really feel like he's about the best solution in the current market-young enough to have room to grow but has a proven track record of success in a top league.
i don't see anything wrong with his statement.Bitterness and delusion. Classic Chelsea fan. The actual feck
I think youre mistaking me for someone else. I would love Icardi at Chelsea. Unfortunately, that boat sailed a while back though. If Inter have not sold him all this while even under pressure from their ultras, they are unlikely to do it now especially since they dont need the money.
The fact that Costa downed tools for Chelsea a long time ago and right now, Lukaku would be a far better option. Yes, Costa had a very good first season at Chelsea, but since then, it's been nothing but drama with him and periods of looking utterly useless. I'm not saying he isn't a good player - and he will probably get back to his best at Atletico - but the Costa of the past 18 months or so, has been a disgrace with his antics and constantly flirting with other clubs.
I have no idea why Chelsea fans are so overly protective of him, to be honest. He's treated the club like shit and shown massive disrespect to two managers, all the while, only turning up when it suited him.
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Bitterness and delusion. Classic Chelsea fan. The actual feck
Just for clarity, you're a Liverpool fan right?
Bitterness and delusion. Classic Chelsea fan. The actual feck
He's right.
I think its more the comment that Lukaku is actually the better player which is definitely not true or even close really, however taking into account attitude antics and him downing tools etc.... I think your right that Lukaku probably would've done better for us over the past 18 months in some ways.
As Arsenal fan, even if i am against him playing in England again, i wouldn't mind swapping him and Aguero.
Costa is stupidly overrated. He's had a good 5 months over the last 2 seasons. You would ask questions of him if he were 21 never mind in his prime.
I really don't understand what is going on here. Why have they not made an offer for a striker yet? What's the hold up?
I think they are assessing a few options and don't want to be held to ransom by a really high price (I assume) I think we will make our move soon in the next week or two and do still have confidence in the board to do it, BUT I do think its also likely that the board are sorting out all the other transfers first in other positions and are willing to give Batshauyi time in pre season to prove to Conte what he's worth.
Sorry but I think thats rubbish. They wouldn't have been after Lukaku if they were willing to give Batshuayi a chance.
I've no doubt there are irons in the fire - just because the media/ fans haven't picked up on them doesn't mean they are not happening.
Just seems strange to me. Belotti, Aubameyang and Morata are all relatively straight-forward deals. All three have a known price, and it is well known that that's the price. Now, Auba might be asking too much in wages, but it shouldn't be the case with either Morata or Belotti
So...what gives? Are they actually close to a deal and somehow managed to keep it secret from the media?
So...what gives? Are they actually close to a deal and somehow managed to keep it secret from the media?
Ok well I think we're splitting hairs if that's the case. Lukaku would have been a better player for Chelsea than Costa over the past 18 months for multiple reasons. If Costa was up for it and not being a dick, then yes, he would have been the better player. If that makes sense.
The longer they leave it, the more desperate they wil be and the price could easily go up. Sure they will be working on something though.
And now Auba's price went up to €100M
He's not.
Morata is the only one that seemed a workable deal from those 3. Auba's reported wage demands were never going to be met by any sensible club. Belotti is a big gamble, huge amount of money for a guy with just 1 quality season not to mention the risk of how his style translates to the PL. I can understand Chelsea not willing to take the gamble. Not sure how open Morata is to moving there, think their efforts are focused on that atm.
So with Auba staying, Lukaku at United and Morata going to AC Milan it looks like Chelsea could be in trouble.
Lewandowski?
Lewandowski?
I think Belotti and Morata will be joining Milan and Chelsea, not sure which one will join which club.
Classic coming from a YAWN fan, whose fanbase is based on delusion and bitterness. Walk it off son.Bitterness and delusion. Classic Chelsea fan. The actual feck
No. We are both missing it.
You're not a Liverpool fan? Oh ok, this is unexpected.
I thought you were, tbh. I mean I was wondering why the staunch defence for a cretin like Costa. Oops.
You seem to let your feelings about Costa the person impact how you rate him as a footballer. He's a grade A cnut but that doesn't mean anything when you're comparing his footballing ability to Lukaku. If I had to pick one of them to play upfront for United in a CL final tomorrow, I'd pick Costa. Whether he's a cnut, who has more potential etc doesn't matter.
I think you're completely missing the point. Costa isn't just a grade A cnut, he's a grade A cnut who lets his idiotic actions on the filed adversely affect his performances. He is also a complete cretin off the pitch and his constant bitching, snide remarks and flirting with other clubs is pretty despicable behaviour towards the club paying his massive wages (not that I give a flying feck about Chelsea, mind).
You would start Costa up front in the CL Final tomorrow whereas I would start Lukaku any day of the week. The reasons being that Costa is prone to stupidity on the pitch and is always in danger of a red card - though he got away with a feck load for some reason - and it takes far too many variables, things to go his way for him to be on song. Give me Lukaku any day of the week who maybe to you isn't as talented - though I don't necessarily agree with that assertion - but at least you know what you are getting with him..
The reality is that Costa does have all these issues so yeah, they will go towards how I judge him as a player. Mentality plays a huge part in a player becoming an elite player and Costa is certainly lacking in that department.
I agree Costa is bit better but he is also liability. If Referees had some balls he would have been sent off few times in the first half of the season.
As it is we have few Chelsea fans who pretend as ManUtd fans on Caf, so was surprised a poster who defends Lukaku so much was a Liverpool fan.
Glad you are not.
The point you seem to be missing is that Costa very rarely gets red cards, and it's not due to any kind of special treatment from referees. It's because he's very aware of what he's doing and very good at taking things right up to the line but not going an inch over and getting himself sent off.
You can certainly criticize him for being a cnut. He's one of those players who people loathe unless he's playing for your team. What he isn't however is a red card liability, as his stats show.
Yeah I know, imagine defending your player, ludicrous! Some in here seem a-bit touchy, though.
Funnily enough, if anyone wants to, they can look back on my posts long before we signed / were linked to him and I've had nothing but good things to say. I was also genuinely concerned when it looked odds on that he would go back to Chelsea as I felt he would do brilliant there.
You can count me in too, I was always a fan of Lukaku.
I don't even know what to say. I mean are you a WUM? Genuine question? First the childish Liverpool remarks and now this.
If you don't think Costa was lucky not to have a-lot more red cards to his name then I'm baffled. Also, if you don't think he was a liability who literally only turned up when everything was in his favour, then I'm also baffled by that. Defend him all you like ability wise as that's open to opinion but feck me, don't make shit up.
I don't even know what to say. I mean are you a WUM? Genuine question? First the childish Liverpool remarks and now this.
If you don't think Costa was lucky not to have a-lot more red cards to his name then I'm baffled. Also, if you don't think he was a liability who literally only turned up when everything was in his favour, then I'm also baffled by that. Defend him all you like ability wise as that's open to opinion but feck me, don't make shit up.
What the feck is your problem? Lukaku is not an upgrade on Costa, not at this point in time anyway, they're both good scorers but Costa has more to his game. You dislike Costa, ok, we get it. So? You bullshit about Costa being a walking red card, then you're being told he rarely ever gets it, and you're still going on with your nonsense. What's your point? He's a cnut, yes. He shows up for half the season, yes. All true. Guess what? Both times when he managed to show up for roughly half of our games we won the PL title. And he's still better than that donkey United have just spent a fortune on. Live with it.
This whole post is odd and calm down, lad.
Had you read back through my posts you would see that I said the version of Costa in his first season was a good player, but the past 18 months or so, Lukaku would have been better. Also, I never said he's a 'walking red card' so stop making things up. He is clearly prone to idiotic actions on the pitch and was lucky on several occasions not to have seen red. If you disagree, then that's mental, to be honest.
I get it, you adore him and think he's great. I think he's good when on form / when things are going his way, but I would rather Lukaku. I'm sorry if that upsets you.
I don't even know what to say. I mean are you a WUM? Genuine question? First the childish Liverpool remarks and now this.
Actually it was because I made the classic mistake of mistaking Cassidy for the Liverpool Cassidy and it sounded like you both supported the same club. Also you seemed virulently anti-Chelsea in a way that is usually solely the preserve of Spurs and Liverpool fans. Also you sounded angry and bitter, which again fed perfectly into the Liverpool assumption. All in all it appeared to be a perfect storm of scouseness.
Costa has appeared 89 times in the Premier League, he's scored 52 goals, got 16 assists and do you know how many red cards? Zero. That's right, in the three years Diego has been plying his mischieveous trade in England he has been sent off in the league zero times. In those whole 3 seasons, he only got sent off once in a cup game, which came as a result of two yellows.
Now you could look at that the way I described, as a fairly dirty but smart player who knows how to wind up opponents and bend the rules but who is clever enough to know when to rein it in, or you could imagine he's a huge liability and the only reason he gets away with it is because of.. magic?
If you want to criticise him for sometimes going off form when it seems like he's acting like a petulant child, then that's something I'd be happy to agree with. But then again he also has 52 goals and 16 assists in just 89 league appearances.
Im talking about our plan post Lukaku not including whether he was the target at the start? I think he most likely was and I think that has now caused us to look at the options cautiously and assess who we want rather than going straight in and buying someone, like I say in the mean time while they work on this I think they are willing to give Batshuayi the minutes and assess him also.
Hilarious, that's the way I described you earlier. I won't bother with you anymore, anyway. You read what you want and seem overly defensive of Costa; a player that's fecked your club over, mind.
I don't adore Costa, he's a self serving cnut, just like most footballers. He's quite often an irritating player to watch because I for one don't like his antics, I just want to enjoy football. He's been angling for a move back to Atletico for a long time now and he's been disrespectful to his current club on more than one occasion, so I'm actually happy he'll be gone, along with his 'baggage', even though we'll miss his presense and his goals.
But none of it changes the fact that at this moment in time he's a better footballer than Likaku.