hasn't he just had a bad injury which will keep him out for at least 6 months?
Chelsea under Conte | Let's sign the next Hazard, literally.
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hasn't he just had a bad injury which will keep him out for at least 6 months?
Yes.
Lots more CB's out there though.
Nainggolan has not said he doesn't want to join Chelsea by the way. He has actually said the opposite.
I think we will have atleast 4-6 academy players in the squad next season - RLC, Ake, Baker, Colkett, Kane for sure and maybe even Clarke-Salter and Da Silva.
That said, we need to get 2-3 big players this season. We can not just afford to have another season out of top 4. If that were to happen then we risk losing our long term standing as a top4 club, the likes of dippers and spurs are waiting to take that spot away. With United having Mourinho, we are most at risk of falling out.
I wonder what's Roman's minimum expectation this season, probably top 4? I think Conte will be gone by the end of the season.
I'm sure their defence gonna be hella strong under Conte, but I wonder if he dares to play in a typical italian formation with 3-man defence or not.
I think top 4. Roman would be stupid if he'd get rid of quality manager like Conte at the end of season, specially now when all the topmanagers are settled in topclubs. They won't get a better manager than Conte who's not managing a club right now.
I think top 4. Roman would be stupid if he'd get rid of quality manager like Conte at the end of season, specially now when all the topmanagers are settled in topclubs. They won't get a better manager than Conte who's not managing a club right now.
I agree, but logic doesn't always apply to Abramovich. I don't know if Conte will be given enough time and leeway to show his quality.
He's merely correcting a post full of inaccuracies from yourself. Rudiger has just joined Roma permanently and torn his ACL, so a move for him seems extremely unlikely. Nainggolan has come out and noted that while he'd earn more at Chelsea, he's happy in Italy and wants to stay and Roma have said he's not for sale, and you don't have a recall clause for Christensen.
Perhaps before getting all wound-up at somebody pointing out a few things , you might considering checking your facts first?
Wonder if he would get close to this side
Courtois
Ivanovic Bonucci Cahill
Cuadrado Nainggolan Fabregas Willian
Hazard
Costa Morata
Courtois
Ivanovic Bonucci Cahill
Cuadrado Nainggolan Fabregas Willian
Hazard
Costa Morata
That team would absolutely ship goals in my opinion. Ivanovic is done, Cahill average, asking both to play in unfamiliar wide CB roles in a 3 aswell. Fabregas is lightweight in midfield and Nainggolan more of B2B than a midfield anchor. The only good bits defensively about that side would be Bonucci, having two physical CF's to press high up and two widemen who will work hard.
Conte is an good manager, no doubt about that.
However, keep in mind that his reputation is built on what we won with Juventus - three Serie A titles in a row.
That said Conte failed in European football. He even managed to get out of the champions league in the group stage and then being eliminated by my team - Benfica - in the Europa League semi final when the final would be played at Juventus Stadium.
He had a team with players like Tevez, Pirlo, Pogba, Vidal and Marchisio.
He should also remember that after Conte left Allegri kept on winning with Juventus - two Serie A titles in a row - an have reached an champions league final giving Juventus the european pedigree that they were lacking.
So I truly believe that Conte is still very much unproven and that the premier league will be a real test for him.
However, keep in mind that his reputation is built on what we won with Juventus - three Serie A titles in a row.
That said Conte failed in European football. He even managed to get out of the champions league in the group stage and then being eliminated by my team - Benfica - in the Europa League semi final when the final would be played at Juventus Stadium.
He had a team with players like Tevez, Pirlo, Pogba, Vidal and Marchisio.
He should also remember that after Conte left Allegri kept on winning with Juventus - two Serie A titles in a row - an have reached an champions league final giving Juventus the european pedigree that they were lacking.
So I truly believe that Conte is still very much unproven and that the premier league will be a real test for him.
I wouldnt say it was a total failure in the CL. First season he didnt have european football, in second he was knocked out by Bayern (4-0 on aggregate, but Bayern beat Barca 7-0). In the third season, only the home game vs Galatasary end up costing Juve. I dont think losing to Benfica in sf is such a bad thing considering Benfica had a solid team who were also finalists the year before.
This season we need a good league manager who can get us back in the CL places. Conte's league achievements were nothing short of fantastic at Juve. He picked up a team that was 7th and went the season unbeaten in 2011-12. Second season he won the league with record 102 points.
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My brother is a big fan of Conte, when he managed Juventus. He told me lot of things about him. He is an amazing motivator, one of the best, (Lippi favorite coach) and im affraid Chelsea deppending who the buy, will challenge for the tittle.
Chelsea and Conte are the hardest team to predict next season imo. With a few signings, they will absolutely be a force to reckon but i am not sure how well Conte is going to adapt to the PL.
As far as signings they'll need strenghting in defence and perhaps midfeld depending on what tactic Conte is interpreting.
Anyone know anything about Conte's former go-to formations except the 3-5-2 and are Cuadrado returing to Chelsea this season?
As far as signings they'll need strenghting in defence and perhaps midfeld depending on what tactic Conte is interpreting.
Anyone know anything about Conte's former go-to formations except the 3-5-2 and are Cuadrado returing to Chelsea this season?
This is the one big manager who I believe is going to struggle.
He has no experience outside of Italy.
He's only ever played in Italy and he's only ever coached in Italy. He and his family will likely suffer from culture shock, not just because Italy and England are incredibly different, but because he's never had to experience anything else. The game itself is incredibly different over here and I think just about anyone would tell you that.
Now with that being said I think very highly of him, I think he's a great coach and man-manager. The problem is that he's going to Chelsea, he's likely going to need time to adapt and he went to the club that will give you the shortest leash in the league to do so. Not to mention he's entering a locker room that was a fairly toxic situation this year and is well known for being unmerciful for managers anyways.
That being said I'm a Spurs supporter so I'm happy about it. I really like his style and tactics and find them similar to what our own Poch uses, so should Poch leave we could always hire Conte as he may by then be adapted to England and he'll almost assuredly be fired from Chelsea by then.
He has no experience outside of Italy.
He's only ever played in Italy and he's only ever coached in Italy. He and his family will likely suffer from culture shock, not just because Italy and England are incredibly different, but because he's never had to experience anything else. The game itself is incredibly different over here and I think just about anyone would tell you that.
Now with that being said I think very highly of him, I think he's a great coach and man-manager. The problem is that he's going to Chelsea, he's likely going to need time to adapt and he went to the club that will give you the shortest leash in the league to do so. Not to mention he's entering a locker room that was a fairly toxic situation this year and is well known for being unmerciful for managers anyways.
That being said I'm a Spurs supporter so I'm happy about it. I really like his style and tactics and find them similar to what our own Poch uses, so should Poch leave we could always hire Conte as he may by then be adapted to England and he'll almost assuredly be fired from Chelsea by then.
I think it will be either a total failure or a big surprise. He's very into athletic (he has a degree about that) and his football should be perfect for PL, and he ca organize a great defense, which is something completely unknown in PL.
So I expect Chelsea to be like a tank.
However, I don't know how he will manage his new life in another country. His football also prevents creativity, I wonder how Hazard, Willian and Fabregas will play.
So I expect Chelsea to be like a tank.
However, I don't know how he will manage his new life in another country. His football also prevents creativity, I wonder how Hazard, Willian and Fabregas will play.
No he isn't correcting shit. Rudiger has been heavily linked to Chelsea all summer andays despite his injury still could sign. Just like Gundogan did. I also said that there are plenty of CB's available even if we don't sign him. Nainggolan has said himself that although he is happy at Roma, an offer from Chelsea is a big deal and one he would have to at least consider.
Christensen it seems does have a release clause. We would just have to pay Borussia compensation for him which we may do if Conte likes the look of him.
Before the Juve job Conte was just another largely insignificant spec in the managerial world. Allegri has shown that what Conte did at Juve was nothing out of the ordinary. He's charismatic but I think he'll struggle in the PL especially if he goes with three at the back. Chelsea's season depends on who they sell and who they bring in - If most/all of Hazard, Matic, Costa, Fabregas and Courtois go I can see them missing out on the top 4 next season - All of those players have hinted they want to leave. With all of them still there I think they'll get top 4. Can't see Chelsea signing any top players this summer so it effectively comes down to keeping hold of their top players.
Summer has barely begun mate.
Okay, well as mentioned, he's now signed permanently for Roma and he's crocked, so I'd be very surprised if Chelsea go for him.
Source for Nainggolan comment? I've seen reports where he's said Chelsea would be good for money & development, but that he's very happy in Italy and would consider his qualify of life downgraded in England.
Source for Christensen release clause? I've seen numerous posts and comments from Chelsea fans across boards that there's no recall option, but nothing to suggest there's a clause to say otherwise.
I have to disagree. When you have a team with the likes of Tevez, Llorente, Pirlo, Vidal, Pogba, Buffon, Chiellini and Marchisio and you are knocked out of the Champions league in the last sixteen losing 4-0 in the aggregated and them procede to be eliminated in the group stage the next year that is nothing short then a failure.
Only lauded by the fact that he then proceded to being outed of the Europa League by Benfica in Semis when the final would be played at Juventus home.
Oh and Benfica played 20 minutes with ten players in the second leg - granted that we had a great time that year but not even remotely comparable with that Juventus team.
Not taking anything way of Conte achievements in the league - it was an great job - but Juventus has no rival in the Italian league, you can see that this year with Juventus taking vacations on the start of the league an falling behind 12 or 15 points of the top and still managing to be comfortably champions - there 5th in a row.
His real test will be Chelsea, lets see what he can do.
We wait to see what Italy do in the euros. Then we see what chelsea do in the market... He will live and die by these two moves.
If he fails to hit the ground running and Italy are boring in the euros and it could be over before its started.
If he fails to hit the ground running and Italy are boring in the euros and it could be over before its started.
Get your facts right mate.
Tevez and Llorente were not there in 2012-13 season. Pogba was just a kid they had signed on a free that season, not the current beast he is. Also, you can not just ignore the fact that Bayern annihilated Barca 7-0 that season, who had Iniesta, Xavi and Messi. So 4-0 with an average squad is nothing to be ashamed of.
Also, I do not understand the significance of not reaching a final being hosted in your own stadium? That does not mean anything.
From 2011-13 Benfica had a team far superior to Juve.
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What's the Deal with Pato. is he tipped to stay? I was looking forward to see a fully fit Pato in the EPL
No as far as latest news have it. Pato is still hanging around to find another club in europe but Chelsea have no contact with his agent.
The least you can do when you are telling somebody to get his facts right his making sure that the said person is wrong.
I´m a Benfica fan and I saw that game live mate - so I know what I am saying.
Juventus starting eleven for the second leg: Gianluigi Buffon; Martín Cáceres; Stefan Lichtsteiner; Giorgio Chiellini; Leonardo Bonucci; Paul Pogba; Andrea Pirlo; Arturo Vidal; Kwadwo Asamoah; Carlos Tevez and Fernando Llorente - this was the Juventus team that lost to Benfica, in what world was Benfica superior to this team?
This year is the actual year Juventus got knocked out of the champions group stage league so was Benfica - geting behind PSV and Olimpiacos, this was the level of our team.
The 2012-2013 you did got beaten by an very strong bayer that rape Barcelona, but also remember that Barcelona had no coach - Tito was doing cancer treatment - and that Messi missed the majoraty of the tie due to injury.
We can agree that the 2012-2013 is not an very bad performance for Juve, but the following year is nothing short then a disaster.
Also allow me to remind you that Allegri got to the champions league final in his first year in charge of Juventus.
You can twist as you want that the fact will remain - Conte is an unproven manager.
ps: the final of the europe league being in Juventus Stadium is to prove that Juventus didnt loose because they didnt care about the competition - many teams disregard the Europa League
I don't really get this thing about Conte's lack of PL experience and all that since Mourinho, Ancelotti and Pellegrini all won the league in their first season, and Wenger also won it in his first full season (he first started with Arsenal in October 1996). It's just football in the end of the day, and I'm inclined to believe that it's actually easier to get going in England as a foreigner because the tactical level in England is lower than in both Spain and Italy. Most foreign managers coming to the PL now is also successful from day 1, also those who haven't managed in England before.
Wasnt the above wrong then?
avram grant took Chelsea to CL final the season after Jose left. Does not make him a better manager than Jose. Teams created by great managers sometime continue to improve even after they have left.
He is a proven league manager. Thats all I care about as we are not in the CL this season anyway.
It's no secret the we English were (in general) tactically abysmal before the foreign influx, as much as some people won't want to admit it.
You are right didnt notice that I included those players in the Bayern defeat - my apologies.
Just checked Juventus team in that year: Giovinco, Pirlo, Marchisio, Vidal, Buffon, Chiellini, Vucinic, Lucio, Isla... still an very strong team and far superior to Benfica, sadly for us.
That being sad I believe I have to say that the 2012-2013 european campaign of Juventus wasnt bad, it was regular and ended with an bad beat against an very strong Bayern team.
Still the point remains, as an all the european performance of Juventus was poor with Conte and Allegri managed to get that team in a champions league final the following year.
I think Conte will adapt fine to the Premier League. The bigger questions are about Chelsea's squad, whether key offensive players can regain form, and how the defense gets rebuilt.
This team really hasn't been very good for about 18 months. They were brilliant in the first half of 14-15 and then a veteran defense on its last legs, Mourinh's tactical acumen, and a bunch of brilliant moments from Hazard dragged them over the finish line. Now the defense needs a total makeover and who knows what to expect from players like Hazard and Fabregas.
This team really hasn't been very good for about 18 months. They were brilliant in the first half of 14-15 and then a veteran defense on its last legs, Mourinh's tactical acumen, and a bunch of brilliant moments from Hazard dragged them over the finish line. Now the defense needs a total makeover and who knows what to expect from players like Hazard and Fabregas.
http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foo...ig-deal-that-must-be-considered-a3266091.html
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/mar/30/chelsea-andreas-christensen-gladbach-loan
There is nothing special about the agreement. We just have to compensate then for cutting it short like all teams have to when they cut a loan short. No special condition in there.
Ignore AshfordLad, he is still upset about Mourinho and thinks Chelsea will be midtable for as long as Mourinho is at United
Among other things you have invented since this morning. I never said this.
You's full of shit.
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You believe organized defences are something completely alien to the PL? Do you mean generally speaking?
I hope Abramovich gives Conte enough time because I really rate him as a manager.
Having said that... The timing couldn't have been worse. Starting your PL career at the same time Pep comes to England and José who is hungrier than ever to prove he is the best manager around, aren't exactly the best circumstances to make your managerial debut in the PL.
If he doesn't make the top 4 he's gone, I'm afraid. The new season can't start soon enough.
Having said that... The timing couldn't have been worse. Starting your PL career at the same time Pep comes to England and José who is hungrier than ever to prove he is the best manager around, aren't exactly the best circumstances to make your managerial debut in the PL.
If he doesn't make the top 4 he's gone, I'm afraid. The new season can't start soon enough.
Yeah, not like Chelsea or Man Utd have had world class defensive organization at all during the PL era..
You don't think being knocked out in the group stages with Juventus is failure, considering the same team reached the final the next season? He's not even got to your club yet mate, you don't need to valiantly defend his entire career.
Yeah, that was a weird comment.
Did you not state that you wished Mourinho went to United and beat Chelsea to every title to show up the club's management? I can get quotes you know.Among other things you have invented since this morning. I never said this.
You's full of shit.
The last thing the club needs is pessimism at this stage of the season. My post was an optimistic outlook on Chelsea's future as most posts in this thread are already saying we will fail.
We probably won't bring back Christensen but we do have him on our books so that's already one CB position potentially sorted for the long term. We also had been heavily linked to Rudiger, among other CB'side too so it's clear that we are looking for at least one, maybe two.
Nainggolan has been talking about Chelsea a lot and has been saying an offer would interest him. I feel if we can get a deal done with Roma we could agree a deal with him.
Kante reportedly has a £20m buyout clause and we are also reportedly one of the front runners for him. We are seemingly trying to bring in the right players and I am positive that this summer will be more like the Costa/Fabregas summer rather then last year's.
They won't make top 4 next year, mark my words, if they sign kante they have a chance though
When did I say that being dumped out by Galatasry was not a failure. Read my earlier post.
I was only saying that losing to Bayern in 2012-13 should not be judged as a failure.