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One thing that impresses me about this forum is the reasonable attitude of most United fans towards the opposition.Treble winner should learn and follow the example of a poster like Salford. He seems obsessed in his hatred of Chelsea ,perhaps he could explain why.

I think he (Treble winner) just doesn't know that we, Chelsea fans, also like (or at least appreciate) Jose just as he does. We don't underrate him. I quite like his attitude that he always tries to defend his current manager, even when apparently he just put whatever reasons he can think about to make his arguments reasonable:lol:. He is probably right, in the case that Jose needs to be backed as we all know Jose is always good at his second seasons in charge.
 
If there's anyone that knows Chelsea fans love him, it's Jose. I mean, we were singing his name at the top of our voices when he had us 17th last season. He even spoke of how emotional that was to him. You lot were flying banners over Old Trafford when Moyes had you 6th or was it 7th. You might want to sit this one out. And as @TheMagicFoolBus said, you seem to think we should lick his feet and regard him as a god walking the earth despite the way the season ended and the fact that he's couldn't wait to manage a direct rival. Again, I'm not sure if you're a masterful troll or a delusional bellend.

You've won twice at the Bridge since 2002. Chances of you beating us at the Bridge are slim and even if you do, it will hardly be an "evisceration". I'm sure you'll find another excuse about how we're overrated and at the same time Jose should get credit for how overrated we are when we beat you. :lol::lol::lol: Twat. :lol:
What did you expect or want him to do?
 
What did you expect or want him to do?
That's irrelevant. Fact is, he took a job at a direct rival almost immediately. Gives credence to the theory that that was actually his dream job the whole time.
 
What did you expect or want him to do?
I just think the fact that basically the instant he was sacked he was already preparing for the United job that left a bitter taste in my mouth. Made it seem like self sabotage towards the end like he wanted to get sacked and that United was what he really wanted.
 
If there's anyone that knows Chelsea fans love him, it's Jose. I mean, we were singing his name at the top of our voices when he had us 17th last season. He even spoke of how emotional that was to him. You lot were flying banners over Old Trafford when Moyes had you 6th or was it 7th. You might want to sit this one out. And as @TheMagicFoolBus said, you seem to think we should lick his feet and regard him as a god walking the earth despite the way the season ended and the fact that he's couldn't wait to manage a direct rival. Again, I'm not sure if you're a masterful troll or a delusional bellend.

You've won twice at the Bridge since 2002. Chances of you beating us at the Bridge are slim and even if you do, it will hardly be an "evisceration". I'm sure you'll find another excuse about how we're overrated and at the same time Jose should get credit for how overrated we are when we beat you. :lol::lol::lol: Twat. :lol:

You can't seriously compare Mourinho's situation with Moyes' situation. Ridiculous comparison. Not sure why you even brought Moyes into this debate. But since you did, I should point out that Moyes won nothing for United, and took the defending champions down to 7th. Mourinho won trophies galore over 6 seasons at Chelsea. Are you saying that one bad half-season (don't forget he wasn't given the chance to complete it) erases the trophies he won?

If Moyes had won us even 1 league title, he wouldn't have received the treatment that he did from United fans. So it's not the same thing.

Oh and by the way there will be no excuses from me if United lose at the Bridge. But you should prepare your excuses in advance cos we are going to be fired up for this one. We don't have the best record there but history doesn't matter in a one off cup tie between top teams. If we blow you out 3-0, what will your excuses be? Of course you will still insist that Conte is a better manager than Mourinho.
 
That's irrelevant. Fact is, he took a job at a direct rival almost immediately. Gives credence to the theory that that was actually his dream job the whole time.
Where else would he have gone? Most of the really big clubs didn't need a manager and PSG is pretty boring. Did you expect him to leave the country in respect of the club that sacked him twice or something?
 
I just think the fact that basically the instant he was sacked he was already preparing for the United job that left a bitter taste in my mouth. Made it seem like self sabotage towards the end like he wanted to get sacked and that United was what he really wanted.

I don't think it is a secret that United was his dream job. As would be the case for any manager. You want to test yourself in the biggest jobs in the game, and they don't come any bigger than United. Not just because of the club's stature and financial strength but also because of its history of backing managers to the hilt and giving them full control. Something he didn't have at Chelsea or Real Madrid.

However to suggest that he deliberately got himself sacked is ridiculous and it is a slander on the man's professionalism. Clearly it hurt him when he was sacked. He didn't want to get sacked. His players betrayed him. Especially the turncoat Hazard.
 
One thing that impresses me about this forum is the reasonable attitude of most United fans towards the opposition.Treble winner should learn and follow the example of a poster like Salford. He seems obsessed in his hatred of Chelsea ,perhaps he could explain why.

One of the main reasons I joined, to talk to reasonable football fans of other clubs
 
I don't think it is a secret that United was his dream job. As would be the case for any manager. You want to test yourself in the biggest jobs in the game, and they don't come any bigger than United. Not just because of the club's stature and financial strength but also because of its history of backing managers to the hilt and giving them full control. Something he didn't have at Chelsea or Real Madrid.

However to suggest that he deliberately got himself sacked is ridiculous and it is a slander on the man's professionalism. Clearly it hurt him when he was sacked. He didn't want to get sacked. His players betrayed him. Especially the turncoat Hazard.
There were direct, witness accounts of José yelling "pay me and I'll leave!" from what I remember. There were the ridiculously unprofessional post match comments numerous times where he said things like "my work has been betrayed," and "maybe I did fantastic work last year to win the title." Obviously suggesting that the title was all down to him.

He couldn't wait to get out of here. Made the situation as toxic as he could. As for Hazard, both he and Mou have said since he left that they aren't on bad terms. Eden is very thankful for Mourinho.
 
I just think the fact that basically the instant he was sacked he was already preparing for the United job that left a bitter taste in my mouth. Made it seem like self sabotage towards the end like he wanted to get sacked and that United was what he really wanted.
Self sabotage! That's seems ridiculous

You need to look at the options Mourinho had when Chelsea sacked him. Most of the top clubs had good managers in place and to me it looked like he had United or PSG to go to in terms of big clubs. From his interviews he doesn't seem a fan of non-competitive leagues like Germany and France so of course he would be after the United job and prepare for it. Biggest club in his favourite league!
 
I don't think it is a secret that United was his dream job. As would be the case for any manager. You want to test yourself in the biggest jobs in the game, and they don't come any bigger than United. Not just because of the club's stature and financial strength but also because of its history of backing managers to the hilt and giving them full control. Something he didn't have at Chelsea or Real Madrid.

However to suggest that he deliberately got himself sacked is ridiculous and it is a slander on the man's professionalism. Clearly it hurt him when he was sacked. He didn't want to get sacked. His players betrayed him. Especially the turncoat Hazard.
Please name all the other managers except Sir Alex who United backed to the hilt. You can start with Wilf Mc Guiness and continue to VDG.
Incidentally would a "professional " have dealt with a Medical expert in such a way. That was a major factor in turning Hazard against him .I n that instance
Mourinho greatly insulted Hazard's integrity.
 
There were direct, witness accounts of José yelling "pay me and I'll leave!" from what I remember. There were the ridiculously unprofessional post match comments numerous times where he said things like "my work has been betrayed," and "maybe I did fantastic work last year to win the title." Obviously suggesting that the title was all down to him.

He couldn't wait to get out of here. Made the situation as toxic as he could. As for Hazard, both he and Mou have said since he left that they aren't on bad terms. Eden is very thankful for Mourinho.
I saw that interview and he was basically saying the players should also be accountable for such poor performances too. You are just putting spin on it now, @Treble_Winning is right.... some Chelsea fans have no respect for their ex manager

Sad to see, you are no better than Vardy
 
I saw that interview and he was basically saying the players should also be accountable for such poor performances too. You are just putting spin on it now, @Treble_Winning is right.... some Chelsea fans have no respect for their ex manager

Sad to see, you are no better than Vardy
:lol::lol::lol:

I've been a huge Mourinho slappy for years and years. My all time favorite manager even to this day. That doesn't mean I can't be bitter about how things ended.
 
:lol::lol::lol:

I've been a huge Mourinho slappy for years and years. My all time favorite manager even to this day. That doesn't mean I can't be bitter about how things ended.
Well you don't need to make things up like saying Mourinho was trying to say the title was all down to him. When you watch the interview his meaning is obvious.
 
I saw that interview and he was basically saying the players should also be accountable for such poor performances too. You are just putting spin on it now, @Treble_Winning is right.... some Chelsea fans have no respect for their ex manager

Sad to see, you are no better than Vardy

No i agree with Orc, he wasnt implying the players needed to take more blame for the performances he actually said that maybe he brought the players to a level that they arent normally at. It was terribly condescending however you look at it, no manager should make such public comments. Its simply crap to think that pointing out instances of idiocy from Mourinho means we dont respect him. We aren't (at least no longer) groupies who see no fault in him but will always see him as a legend with a huge part to play in our sucess. That will never change. That doesnt mean we are impervious to the problems he brought in his final season.
 
Well you don't need to make things up like saying Mourinho was trying to say the title was all down to him. When you watch the interview his meaning is obvious.

No i agree with Orc, he wasnt implying the players needed to take more blame for the performances he actually said that maybe he brought the players to a level that they arent normally at. It was terribly condescending however you look at it, no manager should make such public comments. Its simply crap to think that pointing out instances of idiocy from Mourinho means we dont respect him. We aren't (at least no longer) groupies who see no fault in him but will always see him as a legend with a huge part to play in our sucess. That will never change. That doesnt mean we are impervious to the problems he brought in his final season.
This.

José clearly felt that he was doing everything to the best of his ability and that the failure was completely down to the players. His pride and massive ego wouldn't allow him to even consider he was in the wrong as well.
 
The way i saw it was mou was desperate for some kind of reaction from the players. Anything. They didn't, final proof he'd conpletely lost them
 
No i agree with Orc, he wasnt implying the players needed to take more blame for the performances he actually said that maybe he brought the players to a level that they arent normally at. It was terribly condescending however you look at it, no manager should make such public comments. Its simply crap to think that pointing out instances of idiocy from Mourinho means we dont respect him. We aren't (at least no longer) groupies who see no fault in him but will always see him as a legend with a huge part to play in our sucess. That will never change. That doesnt mean we are impervious to the problems he brought in his final season.

This.

José clearly felt that he was doing everything to the best of his ability and that the failure was completely down to the players. His pride and massive ego wouldn't allow him to even consider he was in the wrong as well.
I honestly find this baffling. He is quite clearly having a dig at the players performance levels. There's nothing condescending about it. Maybe you need to refresh your memory - 1:45

 
The next coming Chelsea - United is tasty but not very important: both teams have bigger targets now to pursue in order to consider their season a success, namely the PL title for Chelsea (once almost there, you must go there) and the CL spot for United (to put the pretty long & unfanciful rebuilding phase to bed). Bigger encounters will come.
 
Feck is wrong with you. You want your two London rivals to grab a top 4 spot instead of United?
Quite sure its a pisstake. Most Chelsea fans would pick United to do well spurs/arsenal. And most still love Jose and want him to do well (hopefully not at Chelsea's expense).
 
You can't seriously compare Mourinho's situation with Moyes' situation. Ridiculous comparison. Not sure why you even brought Moyes into this debate. But since you did, I should point out that Moyes won nothing for United, and took the defending champions down to 7th. Mourinho won trophies galore over 6 seasons at Chelsea. Are you saying that one bad half-season (don't forget he wasn't given the chance to complete it) erases the trophies he won?

If Moyes had won us even 1 league title, he wouldn't have received the treatment that he did from United fans. So it's not the same thing.

Oh and by the way there will be no excuses from me if United lose at the Bridge. But you should prepare your excuses in advance cos we are going to be fired up for this one. We don't have the best record there but history doesn't matter in a one off cup tie between top teams. If we blow you out 3-0, what will your excuses be? Of course you will still insist that Conte is a better manager than Mourinho.
So what you're saying is you had every right to fly a banner over Old Trafford calling for a manager to be sacked? I'm sure most United fans would agree that that was a disgraceful thing. As much as we hated (and still hate) Benitez, we didn't even do that. :lol:

LVG won the FA Cup and you lot were still vile towards him. You really have no right to be talking about this. Even pre Ferguson, as has been pointed out by @tangent, you haven't exactly been gracious towards underperforming managers. So please save it.

And the fact that we're not licking the floor Jose walks on the way you are doesn't mean we don't love him. We love Jose infinitely more than you do. You're just delusional. But loving the man doesn't mean we can't point out his flaws. Period.
 
No, no, no. Come on. I still love him, too, but I want to see them miss the top 4 just to watch Mou's reaction. :lol:

He's salty as feck this season about having the aggravation and inconvenience of Europa League. Imagine how he'd be next season with it as well.

My ideal top 4 would be Chelsea, City, Spurs, Arsenal. Wenger keeps his job, Liverpool fail after thinking it was "their year," and The most expensive side in history doesn't even get a CL place. Perfect all around! :D

Manutd are not the most expensive squad in the world.
 

Its wrong. You can add the transfer fee of our players and compare it with City squad.

If I have done calculation correctly, ManUtd squad was assembled for 473 Million pounds or 494 Million pounds (if Martial addons are paid in full) with plus or minus few millions.

City paid 532 Million pounds to assemble their squad and that is without adding addons for Stones, Gabriel Jesus.

Real Madrid paid 581 Million Euros or 611 Million Euros (If you include Coentrao whom they have loaned out) to assemble their squad.
 
So what you're saying is you had every right to fly a banner over Old Trafford calling for a manager to be sacked? I'm sure most United fans would agree that that was a disgraceful thing. As much as we hated (and still hate) Benitez, we didn't even do that. :lol:

Uh..


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Browse the gallery for yourself even:

http://metro.co.uk/2013/02/28/gallery-rafa-benitez-chelsea-fans-banners-2013-3519783/
 
So what you're saying is you had every right to fly a banner over Old Trafford calling for a manager to be sacked? I'm sure most United fans would agree that that was a disgraceful thing. As much as we hated (and still hate) Benitez, we didn't even do that. :lol:

LVG won the FA Cup and you lot were still vile towards him. You really have no right to be talking about this. Even pre Ferguson, as has been pointed out by @tangent, you haven't exactly been gracious towards underperforming managers. So please save it.

And the fact that we're not licking the floor Jose walks on the way you are doesn't mean we don't love him. We love Jose infinitely more than you do. You're just delusional. But loving the man doesn't mean we can't point out his flaws. Period.

Wow, you're taking things out of context and rewriting history now. A Chelsea fan suggesting that United treats its managers poorly is incredible to say the least.

You brought up Moyes and compared his treatment with your treatment of Rafa.. I think even though all United fans dislike Rafa as well, most of us sympathized with him and thought that his treatment at the hands of Chelsea fans was nothing but a disgrace. In fact it is one of the most disgraceful examples in PL history of fans being toxic.

Moyes finished 7th and won nothing. Still a lot of us backed him until the situation became toxic. For his first half season at the club many fans and the club itself were willing to give him a chance. Rafa on the other hand was mercilessly mocked and tormented from the first day he was appointed. He was given no chance whatsoever. Is that fair? Is that decent? No matter what, when you're not even willing to give your manager a single game, that's not justifiable under any circumstances.

Rafa actually got you guys in the top four AND won you the Europa League - Moyes won nothing.

And more importantly Rafa was treated horribly even before he started, and he delivered results despite this. Total opposite of what happened with Moyes.

Now as for LVG. The majority of United fans were (and still are) fair and balanced in assessing LVG's reign. Mourinho even went so far as to dedicate the Community Shield to him. Fans did not protest against LVG every single game from the very day he was appointed, and did not mock and jeer at him incessantly regardless of results. Which is precisely what you did to Rafa. Not a fair comparison. I think you shot yourself in the foot by bringing up Rafa. That was just completely classless and toxic behavior from your fans.
 
Where are the planes?
@Blue Barrett Stop acting like that is indicative of the entire fanbase. A minority were responsible for that, and if i recall correctly, the fans at OT actually rallied around the massively unpopular Moyes when that banner was flown over OT, booing the banner in the process.
 
@Blue Barrett Stop acting like that is indicative of the entire fanbase. A minority were responsible for that, and if i recall correctly, the fans at OT actually rallied around the massively unpopular Moyes when that banner was flown over OT, booing the banner in the process.

Yes, entirely true. But none of their fans condemned the relentless harassment of Rafa, in fact they even seemed to encourage it. And this was despite Moyes winning nothing, and Rafa finishing in the top four and winning the Europa League.

And they think we are ungracious! Lol
 
Yes, entirely true. But none of their fans condemned the relentless harassment of Rafa, in fact they even seemed to encourage it. And this was despite Moyes winning nothing, and Rafa finishing in the top four and winning the Europa League.

And they think we are ungracious! Lol
Benitez said some disparaging things about Chelsea and Jose while at Liverpool. He's just generally a twat and it was a poisonous union. However, again, not all Chelsea fans treated him with contempt. But I simply cannot understand @Blue Barrett 's attitude regarding this. It's hypocritical, to say the least.
 
If I have to describe Chelsea under Conte in one word then it would be Relentless. Chelsea are not the most aesthetically pleasing team on the eyes but they get the job done, before the season started I thought they would continue to struggle and their summer transfer business only strengthened my belief but Conte has completely proven me wrong and done a wonderful job making mockery of so called competitive nature of premier league thus far.

According to me Chelsea team is not bursting with talent barring few top players but Conte somehow has devised a system which has allowed him to extract optimum output from his squad and masked their weaknesses quite cleverly and for that he deserves immense credit .

It would be intersting to see how Chelsea and Conte approach their summer business would they commit the same mistakes which they did after their last title or would they be proactive and try to upgrade from position of strength because they certainly need to improve in certain areas of the pitch if they want to compete on all fronts next season.
 
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So what you're saying is you had every right to fly a banner over Old Trafford calling for a manager to be sacked? I'm sure most United fans would agree that that was a disgraceful thing. As much as we hated (and still hate) Benitez, we didn't even do that. :lol:
Every fan base has its idiots and the plane banner was a pretty tasteless way of expressing discontent but I don't think it was done out of hate. Your fans' treatment of Benitez was far, far worse.
 
Its wrong. You can add the transfer fee of our players and compare it with City squad.

If I have done calculation correctly, ManUtd squad was assembled for 473 Million pounds or 494 Million pounds (if Martial addons are paid in full) with plus or minus few millions.

City paid 532 Million pounds to assemble their squad and that is without adding addons for Stones, Gabriel Jesus.

Real Madrid paid 581 Million Euros or 611 Million Euros (If you include Coentrao whom they have loaned out) to assemble their squad.
Yeah I think I'd take Sky Sports' calculations over yours mate.

Wow, you're taking things out of context and rewriting history now. A Chelsea fan suggesting that United treats its managers poorly is incredible to say the least.

You brought up Moyes and compared his treatment with your treatment of Rafa.. I think even though all United fans dislike Rafa as well, most of us sympathized with him and thought that his treatment at the hands of Chelsea fans was nothing but a disgrace. In fact it is one of the most disgraceful examples in PL history of fans being toxic.

Moyes finished 7th and won nothing. Still a lot of us backed him until the situation became toxic. For his first half season at the club many fans and the club itself were willing to give him a chance. Rafa on the other hand was mercilessly mocked and tormented from the first day he was appointed. He was given no chance whatsoever. Is that fair? Is that decent? No matter what, when you're not even willing to give your manager a single game, that's not justifiable under any circumstances.

Rafa actually got you guys in the top four AND won you the Europa League - Moyes won nothing.

And more importantly Rafa was treated horribly even before he started, and he delivered results despite this. Total opposite of what happened with Moyes.

Now as for LVG. The majority of United fans were (and still are) fair and balanced in assessing LVG's reign. Mourinho even went so far as to dedicate the Community Shield to him. Fans did not protest against LVG every single game from the very day he was appointed, and did not mock and jeer at him incessantly regardless of results. Which is precisely what you did to Rafa. Not a fair comparison. I think you shot yourself in the foot by bringing up Rafa. That was just completely classless and toxic behavior from your fans.
Benitez said some disparaging things about Chelsea and Jose while at Liverpool. He's just generally a twat and it was a poisonous union. However, again, not all Chelsea fans treated him with contempt. But I simply cannot understand @Blue Barrett 's attitude regarding this. It's hypocritical, to say the least.
@Blue Barrett Stop acting like that is indicative of the entire fanbase. A minority were responsible for that, and if i recall correctly, the fans at OT actually rallied around the massively unpopular Moyes when that banner was flown over OT, booing the banner in the process.
What you two either can't seem to understand or are completely clueless about is that Benitez was one of the most hated opposition managers before he ever got hired by Chelsea. In fact, fans were upset at Roman for disregarding our wishes and hiring him. Maybe you were both too young to remember (and I don't mean that in a disparaging way) so I'll help you remember.

Between 2004 and 2009 the rivalry between Chelsea and Liverpool was intense. It was a lot more intense than our rivalry with United or even Arsenal, probably because we met Liverpool in cup finals and played them in the knockout stages of the Champions League 3 years in a row, got knocked out by them the first two times. If you've been watching football for a while, you'll know that Benitez is the originator of the term "plastic" as used to describe a football fan, in this case Chelsea fans. Having a dig at Chelsea supporters for waving flags during one of our matches against them and saying Liverpool fans support with "heart and passion, not plastic flags" was extremely insulting, utterly classless and totally unnecessary.

In all the years Fergie and Wenger had spats with each other at the height of the United-Arsenal rivalry, neither manager stooped as low as attacking the opposing fans. In all the years Jose has been having a go at Wenger, he has never once attacked Arsenal fans, as easy as that would have been to do. Benitez is a narcissistic cnut who decided he had no problem having a go at fans who paid hard earned money to come support a club they love. He said that right in the middle of an intense rivalry too, which made it even more offensive. And mind, this was barely 2 years after Roman had taken over at Chelsea so the "play thing", "toy club", "fake fans" jokes were all very fresh and that just took it up several levels. Hilarious, by the way, because I'm certain that 80% of Liverpool's 40 and older fan base started supporting Liverpool during their glory days of the 70's, but that's another topic entirely.

But you don't get to insult a whole fan base like that as a manager and then come around expecting us to forget it all of a sudden just because you're trying to be an opportunist, adding Chelsea to your resume for a quick buck to set yourself for whatever other job (and surprisingly getting offended towards the end of his tenure that we'd even think about bringing back Jose rather than keeping him long term, the fat cnut). We had every right to boo him. It wasn't about the football that was being played on the pitch, it was personal. That's the difference here. Even Lampard acknowledged we had every right to have a go at Rafa. Add to the fact that fans were upset RDM wasn't given much time despite the CL and FA Cup victories the previous season (whether you think RDM is a quality manager or not is not the point here).

When he produced the results at the end of the season that he'd been paid good money for, we gave him his credit and he went on his way.

Guess what? We still didn't fly a bloody plane over the Bridge. And you have some real balls right there to say "oh it was only a small section of the fan base flying the plane, it doesn't represent all United fans" but turn around to paint ALL Chelsea fans as racists when 4 racist idiots push a black man off a train in Paris. You want to talk about hypocrisy? Please.
 
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The way i saw it was mou was desperate for some kind of reaction from the players. Anything. They didn't, final proof he'd conpletely lost them

I think it was too, but it was a stupid one that felt like he was running out of ideas and had basically decided to try insulting the players. There were a few times that last year when he publicly criticized players, and it seemed strange and unwelcome each time. His strength has always been building an incredibly tight unit that see themselves as under siege from the outside. By attacking his own players, I suspect that mentality shatters. Then again it seems that success also shatters the illusion after a while too.

Re fans and managers in general though, neither Chelsea or United fans are bad when it comes to loyalty. It's been harder at Chelsea because we go through managers so quickly, but Benitez is the only manager I can remember that the fans didn't back until the end. Obviously at United you had SAF so for a long time it was never an issue, but I do think that created a bit of a myth in fans minds that United were somehow a different kind of club where any manager would always see out of contract and never face the sack. In fact I remember at the time Moyes joined you, people here actually said that, because I remember wondering how long it'd take for that to go out the window. That said, with Moyes and LvG the majority stayed behind them and supported them. There's a lot of clubs out there who don't do that (looking at you now Real).

In terms of fans attitudes, we're really not that different clubs, which is probably why United and Chelsea fans usually get along here pretty well (when TW isn't throwing bombs around to get people riled up).
 
Why are Chelsea fans so offended by Rafa's comments about plastic flags? His statement, if taken at face value, was objective and factual, Liverpool fans didn't need the flags to support their team. Ok it was a sly dig but I don't understand why that was such a deeply offensive statement?

He won you guys the Europa League and also steadied the ship and finished in the top three despite the instability and turmoil under Di Matteo. Isn't that worthy of offsetting a comment he made many years ago?

And also why are Chelsea fans offended by Rafa's annoyance at not being given an extension? Any other manager would have had a strong case for a contract extension after winning the EL and finishing in the top 3 in their first half season? Fine if you didn't want him, but why are you offended that he thought he deserved an extension based on results on the pitch?

Mourinho himself did that crazy touch line celebration when Porto beat United in the CL, that was infamous amongst United fans and made many of us regard him as a pantomime villain and a dick, especially when he went to Chelsea after that and dominated English football during his first spell. You don't see us booing him every single game and putting out banners with deeply personal insults directed at him regardless of whether we win, lose or draw. Which is basically what you did to Rafa for a period that lasted around 7 months.
 
No, that isn't what I was trying to say. I was trying to say that United fans should appreciate and rally behind Mourinho more. Saying that we would be winning the league with Conte, or suggesting that Conte is a better manager, is disrespectful to our manager and our club. Let's get behind our manager. He has won a lot more and proven himself again and again. He is an elite manager. One of the best in the world.

Let's not be like Chelsea fans, who seem to have not fully appreciated his quality as a manager in addition to what he has done for them. The posts by Chelsea fans here seem very unappreciative. This is a guy who won you lots of trophies FFS, have some respect.
of course Jose is elite. No one can deny it. He is just a bit of a knob as well
 
Why are Chelsea fans so offended by Rafa's comments about plastic flags? His statement, if taken at face value, was objective and factual, Liverpool fans didn't need the flags to support their team. Ok it was a sly dig but I don't understand why that was such a deeply offensive statement?

He won you guys the Europa League and also steadied the ship and finished in the top three despite the instability and turmoil under Di Matteo. Isn't that worthy of offsetting a comment he made many years ago?

And also why are Chelsea fans offended by Rafa's annoyance at not being given an extension? Any other manager would have had a strong case for a contract extension after winning the EL and finishing in the top 3 in their first half season? Fine if you didn't want him, but why are you offended that he thought he deserved an extension based on results on the pitch?

Mourinho himself did that crazy touch line celebration when Porto beat United in the CL, that was infamous amongst United fans and made many of us regard him as a pantomime villain and a dick, especially when he went to Chelsea after that and dominated English football during his first spell. You don't see us booing him every single game and putting out banners with deeply personal insults directed at him regardless of whether we win, lose or draw. Which is basically what you did to Rafa for a period that lasted around 7 months.

I take it you've never actually been to a match, so you have no clue as to why Chelsea fans or any fanbase feels the way it does. Read the post by @Blue Barrett for some perspective.

If you honestly think Mourinho doing a celebration once against United compares to what Benitez did then you're delusional.
 
Rafa Benitez going to Chelsea was in terms of the fans, a disaster. He could have helped himself by just giving a quick apology for the remarks even if in-sincere.

Rafa would have known it. It'd be like Michael Gray taking the Newcastle job after calling them poor fans and/or pathetic.

Or Wenger taking the Utd job. Both the fans and manager know its a minefield.

I kinda see both sides of the coin re.Rafa and Chelsea. But I dont think all 41k at home games had the same opinion, very unlikely.