No, he's not the perfect candidate. He's a shit candidate. You criticized Ole's coaching, then suggest we sign someone who isn't a good coach.
Conte to leave Inter?
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His own players downplayed his coaching ability, but sure, it was Zidane and not his huge coaching team that did the coaching, if it makes you feel better.
So it was his huge coaching team that did it? Which presumably he'd bring with him on his next job? What?
Also no, his players did not downplay his coaching ability
They didn't need to downplay, because he did it himself back in 2018.
Who said he wouldn't? Try to keep focused. We're talking about Zidane, not his staff.
Yeah ok. I imagined reading that quote. Or the one when Zidane admits himself he isn't a great coach.
Conte would be Mourinho all over again in terms of negative football and sacrificing the future for immediate success. Also a toxic personality who falls out with anyone and everyone. But yes, let’s…
I have my concerns about Ole, but if Conte is the best we can do we might as well stand pat. This forum is dripping with desperation at the moment.
I have my concerns about Ole, but if Conte is the best we can do we might as well stand pat. This forum is dripping with desperation at the moment.
The difference between a manager who is good at coaching and a manager who is good at indentifying and employing good coaches to cover his weaknesses is minimal, I would suggest. The end result is that coaching under their regime is of a high standard.
If our new set-piece coach resolves our set-piece issues then I would consider that a plus for Solskjaer, for example. Just as whatever Carlos Queiroz brought to the team under SAF was a reflection of SAF's ability as a manager, as he was able to identify and bring in the expertise that was required at that point.
If our new set-piece coach resolves our set-piece issues then I would consider that a plus for Solskjaer, for example. Just as whatever Carlos Queiroz brought to the team under SAF was a reflection of SAF's ability as a manager, as he was able to identify and bring in the expertise that was required at that point.
Read the comments about Tuchel on this forum before he won the Champions League. Most people are biased and argue like partisan political supporters.
Zidane is a better fit than Conte to our squad. Conte might be a better coach but Zidane fits us more.
With Ronaldo in the team, you can't play a high energy pressing game. He just won't do it. Best is to play a possession oriented game with quick passing . If not Zidane , I would prefer Ten Hag. Definitely not Conte because our players won't fit his 352.
With Ronaldo in the team, you can't play a high energy pressing game. He just won't do it. Best is to play a possession oriented game with quick passing . If not Zidane , I would prefer Ten Hag. Definitely not Conte because our players won't fit his 352.
Zidane suits us best. A master rotater who pretty much utilise the same systems Ole does. difference is he has tasted huge success with it
My preference would be Zidane but with Ole we're not going anywhere near PL/CL.
If we need to move on from Ole, Zidane makes the most sense.
we do not have the understandings in key partnerships yet to even think of the ucl currently and its not just" because Ole".
Varane and Maguire have to learn each other. De gea/ Henderson have to learn them too
Mctominay or Fred have to get used to full time partnering Pogba in center midfield. DVB too as he will get more games
AWB or Dalot have to learn how to play with sancho. Same with shaw wide left. and vice versa
The entire attack and team have to adjust to CR7 and Sancho
give it time
Varane and Maguire have to learn each other. De gea/ Henderson have to learn them too
Mctominay or Fred have to get used to full time partnering Pogba in center midfield. DVB too as he will get more games
AWB or Dalot have to learn how to play with sancho. Same with shaw wide left. and vice versa
The entire attack and team have to adjust to CR7 and Sancho
give it time
Zidane who's best strength as a manager is man management and doesn't speak english? The same zidane who admits that tactics arent his strong suit and he selects the best 11 and just let's them play?
As a utd fan do you want to win the league? If so then Conte is the answer. It wont be pretty but he will deliver a title. Otherwise we'll end up breaking liverpools plus 30 year wait for a league title. Anyway it's all fun and games as Ole has a 3 year deal.
The same Zidane who's won 3 straight CL titles. Left Real and they capitulated without him. He came back and led them to another La Liga title significantly improving their defensive record. He led them to the CL semis while dealing with an injury crisis. He's a superb manager. He showed plenty of tactical nous vs Klopp last season.
I don't think he would come here though.
Conte is a great manager, but I don't think him and Ronaldo get along + I don't think the board will want such a volatile character.
No he hasn't actually.
You can't play dominant possession football without aggresive pressing. To dominate possession and outplay an organized defense you need to commit a lot of players forward, which means you (counter)pressing needs to be absolutely spot on if you don't want to get killed on the counter.
Why has Conte never managed to succeed in Europe? Anyone who has watched his teams in UCL may perhaps have some explanations, thanks a lot.
As many as our club, my mistake. For some reason I thought he’d managed 4 instead of 3.
Either way my initial point still stands.
Well, it depends on what kind of possession you play though. Zidane played a possession game at Real but wasn't really high pressing. Wenger used to play a possession game, Ancelotti played that at PSG (if I remember it correctly), we weren't high pressure always under LVG.
Good shouts, I think Conte would be fine regardless though, arguably his best trait is his pragmatism. Another one I'd find interesting would be Potter, even though his lack of experience would probably prevent that from being a possibility. Didn't stop us with Ole though, so who knows.
Is this a zidane thread?
Do we really want to replace Ole with someone who bought Lukaku, Sanchez, Young, and Darmian from us? I will judge Ole after the end of this season.
Cut out the middle man get Zidane and jobs a good un for 3 years
If Ronaldo was never signed I would have preferred managers like Potter, Hassenhuttl, Rose etc.
With Ronaldo our options are very limited.
Why wouldn't he come here? He actually considered it two years ago. It's a glamourous job and we've put together a great squad, half of whom he knows. If there is someone who can get results in the short term, it has to be him. Even Pogba would be running through walls for him.
He did? Source?
You can't listen to this forum when it comes to coaches and player recommendations. Most cannot discern relative information accurately. The narrative of Conte is negative football but how then is solskjaer's philosophy defined ? If any fan thinks United play attacking football they are well far off the mark. Zidane / Conte are miles ahead of Solskjaer it shouldn't even be a debate. Has Ole done enough to be sacked no but as it stands since he's been the interim manager he's still emulating the same weaknesses with little to no progression for his own development tactically.
The only aspect improving at this club is the quality of the players but the team still hasn't made strides when it comes to cohesion and basic football principle. Solskjaer needs to look at the idea of binning the likes of Carrick / Mckenna it's all well and good for the players to say positive things about them but the proof is in the pudding when it comes to weekly match performances the former two are levels below what's required for this team to challenge.
There's an interview by Rio on his channel talking about the influence of different coaches and why Quiroz was a success and the different conversations he had with the players to help them improve individually which contributed to the team. From what Rio describes Carlos was meticulous with instruction and his contributions to the players pertained to the philosophy of how the team is to play as a function. When you contrast what Rio mentions with the likes of what Carrick / Mckenna have drawn up it's laughable and no surprise the team many times cannot even string three successive passes together.
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One thing Conte has going for him, is his Italian good looks.
I would take Mancini over Conte. His football in the Euros blew my mind. I didn’t know he had that in his locker.
The way City got rid of him, he won’t give feck about all that rivalry crap and I don’t think Utd fans would either.
The way City got rid of him, he won’t give feck about all that rivalry crap and I don’t think Utd fans would either.
Anyone wanting Conte at United now is wonderfully naive and learnt absolutely nothing from us changing footballing direction repeatedly with Moyes, LVG and Mourinho in just a few short years.
We'd rather pick up Mancini from Italy. Than ever look at Conte. Zidane and the likes of Ten Haag are far more logical as options
We'd rather pick up Mancini from Italy. Than ever look at Conte. Zidane and the likes of Ten Haag are far more logical as options
Clubs like United, Liverpool and Arsenal need managers with personality and more importantly an attacking style. Also someone who is willing to take on a long term project, and by long term not necessarily like Fergie or Wenger but at least 5-7 years.
The fans demand an identity.
Conte, though a good manager, will not be that. I still think in terms of football philosophy and personality Pochettino was the perfect fit for United. But that ship has passed.
The fans demand an identity.
Conte, though a good manager, will not be that. I still think in terms of football philosophy and personality Pochettino was the perfect fit for United. But that ship has passed.
I don't think Pochettino ever had the personality for a big club like United, he wouldn't handle the pressure well. Also, his football "philosophy" has never been that impressive.
He’d make a massive mess just as we’ve finally made progress clearing up. No thanks.
Depends what the original point was.
Ancelotti's won 3 CL's also and I wouldn't really want him at United these days.
No thank you! Yes I think with him and the current squad we would have a good shot at the title but the problem would start when he lists out his transfer targets
That would be an exciting/interesting appointment. Bit of a risk, but there aren't many "sure" things out there anyway, I guess.
Here are GF in Contes last 4 seasons as a manager compared to other managers in the same seasons.
Conte
16-17: 85
17-18: 62
19-20: 81
20-21: 89
Total GF: 317
Klopp
16-17: 78
17-18: 84
19-20: 85
20-21: 68
Total GF: 315
Pep
16-17: 80
17-18: 106
19-20: 102
20-21: 83
Total GF: 371
Simeone:
16-17: 70
17-18: 58
19-20: 51
20-21: 67
Total GF: 247
Man United
16-17: 54
17-18: 68
19-20: 66
20-21: 73
Total GF: 261
People seem to have Conte confused with Simeone, his teams score plenty.
Conte
16-17: 85
17-18: 62
19-20: 81
20-21: 89
Total GF: 317
Klopp
16-17: 78
17-18: 84
19-20: 85
20-21: 68
Total GF: 315
Pep
16-17: 80
17-18: 106
19-20: 102
20-21: 83
Total GF: 371
Simeone:
16-17: 70
17-18: 58
19-20: 51
20-21: 67
Total GF: 247
Man United
16-17: 54
17-18: 68
19-20: 66
20-21: 73
Total GF: 261
People seem to have Conte confused with Simeone, his teams score plenty.
