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Cop in America doing a bad job, again
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Genuinely devastated.
Until Pogue mentioned parody earlier, I hadn't even checked the url properly. Just clicked the link, saw CNN and took it at face value.
Call me naive if you will, but we live in a world where Donald Trump is within a handful of points of being elected President of the United States.
One thing that is immediately apparent in all these videos is lack of training these officers obviously have.
You give them military equipment, overwhelming power without insight and conviction and pay them bugger all and then you wonder why shit goes so wrong.
One example that springs immediately to mind is the Ferguson riots where we had Police officers pointing military grade weapons at rioters that were showing no aggression with no trigger discipline. I mean seriously, wtf. And this example is one of so so so many.
In the military we were taught in civilian situations:
1) You never ever point your weapon at someone unless you plan on using it, it unnecessarily escalates the situation for all party's involved.
2) Trigger discipline
3) Deescalation whenever possible
4) Follow your ROEs
5) Heart and minds
Military training on the use of force is so much more rigorous than police training (coming from 6 years experience with the Australian Defence Force working with military forces and training them all over the world) and why is this so, it should be exactly the same, if not more so. You have to train to respond calmly in stressful and dangerous situations, second, you have to be legally accountable for your actions or else it is anarchy (like it currently has been for quite some time). They do this shit because they know they can cover it up and they can get away with it.
This doesn't mean doing a single 10 hour course and saying ok you now are trained in deescalation techniques, it requires a methodical training regimen that enforces their own set of ROEs, this training needs to be ongoing, constant and methodical, using techniques such as "train-the-trainer", real life on the job training with appropriate supervision from commanding officers to correct behavior and reinforcement at every single level of the chain of command.
Just my two cents.
You give them military equipment, overwhelming power without insight and conviction and pay them bugger all and then you wonder why shit goes so wrong.
One example that springs immediately to mind is the Ferguson riots where we had Police officers pointing military grade weapons at rioters that were showing no aggression with no trigger discipline. I mean seriously, wtf. And this example is one of so so so many.
In the military we were taught in civilian situations:
1) You never ever point your weapon at someone unless you plan on using it, it unnecessarily escalates the situation for all party's involved.
2) Trigger discipline
3) Deescalation whenever possible
4) Follow your ROEs
5) Heart and minds
Military training on the use of force is so much more rigorous than police training (coming from 6 years experience with the Australian Defence Force working with military forces and training them all over the world) and why is this so, it should be exactly the same, if not more so. You have to train to respond calmly in stressful and dangerous situations, second, you have to be legally accountable for your actions or else it is anarchy (like it currently has been for quite some time). They do this shit because they know they can cover it up and they can get away with it.
This doesn't mean doing a single 10 hour course and saying ok you now are trained in deescalation techniques, it requires a methodical training regimen that enforces their own set of ROEs, this training needs to be ongoing, constant and methodical, using techniques such as "train-the-trainer", real life on the job training with appropriate supervision from commanding officers to correct behavior and reinforcement at every single level of the chain of command.
Just my two cents.
Still it never hurts to double check stories, especially if they are not about Donald Trump.
Lesson learned!
Shit, I learnt that, or at least the same principle, in hunter safety when I was twelve or thirteen years old. It certainly is amazing how many people and police don't realize what the feck they're point at others.
You make too much sense for the American police forces to follow through.
Just the other day for the Halloween parade in NYC, the cops were standing with bloody automatic weapons on my street. I was walking back from the gym and was wondering what the hell is going on here, before someone told me it's security for the parade
Back when things were really heating up (I think in Ferguson) you could see pictures of cops with ARs pointed at crowds.
A picture says a thousand words...
Which is silly because anyone who's every handled an AR knows that one of its strengths is the ease with which you can bring it to target.
Like @Redondo_Pirri said, they're simply making the situation more tense by doing that.
The Slager/Walter Scott trial has taken an interesting turn. Amazing that one juror will likely let him go free unless the judge can remove him.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/02/us/walter-scott-michael-slager-shooting-charleston.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/02/us/walter-scott-michael-slager-shooting-charleston.html
This is exactly the kind of incident that sets everything back and causes issues and divide. Cases like this should be fairly clear and come to a unanimous decision quite quickly. Not sure what legitimate hangup someone could have on this.
I sat on a murder jury a while back and two jurors just couldn't do what was asked of them. It took a hell of a lot of work from the rest of us to talk them into accepting the facts and following the law. Some people just can't put aside their opinions and beliefs and do their duty.
Been declared a mistrial.
Not according to this live blog
Seems they are struggling with imminent danger. That came up in my murder trial. We asked the question and the response was just a restating of the law. It was kind of annoying because we were looking for more explanation.
Seems they are struggling with imminent danger. That came up in my murder trial. We asked the question and the response was just a restating of the law. It was kind of annoying because we were looking for more explanation.
That note to the judge from the juror saying he cannot and will not vote guilty suggests a mistrial is on the horizon.
Trial I was on, not involving a murder, we had trouble coming to terms of the various charges we could find the person guilty of. You can't write anything down, the judge has to be careful what they instruct you to do because they can not be seen to prejudice the case. It is one of the downsides of a trial by jury, most of us are not legal experts or experts in any number of things that can come up in a trial, but are expected to pass judgement anyways.
Here's another angle.
What percentage of US cops come from a military background? I'd wager quite high.
Perhaps the reason the US has an issue with Police firearms discharges is because the officers are so comfortable in using them due to their prior experience it becomes the norm rather than exceptional.
That's an absurd postulation. Military personnel have gone through rigorous training and know how to control themselves on the trigger.
American cops fire out of fear mostly and, worryingly, hate or, worse, disdain for the people they've sworn to protect.
Active military personal are used to operating under strict rules of engagement. Cops seem to be able to blast away at anyone until they've had enough.
I wouldn't say it's absurd.
I'd love to see the stats for US military to Police. Willing to bet it's very high.
They do in the US. I'd agree. But I also think the US will have a higher percentage of officers with a military background which kind of contradicts that stance.
Apologies, it wasn't very clear. I'd agree with the first part and think the second bit is way off.
I think it's a possibility. The general gun culture of everyone in America is ridiculous. Children are comfortable with firearms for instance. With experience over confidence and complacency can set it.
I doubt the Military is any more or less accountable than the Police. War crimes is not exactly a new concept. I really doubt that Military is more accountable than the police...if any, I'd argue it's the other way around. Difference being, war crimes usually happen at a different (and potentially a place already in turmoil) that most don't even get reported or get reported as "collateral damage". Such latitude is not available to Police as every single incident is subject to scrutiny.
Would tend to agree with this also.
Police are open to far more public scrutiny than military personnel. No question.
Mistrial to be declared. Jury can't come to a decision.
Stupid juror.
Stupid juror.
Will there be another trial or this is the end?
Replying to older post, only saw this.
US Police use a gun as a compliance tool. It is not meant to be a compliance tool. Using it as such is an escalation of force and if it doesn't bring about compliance there's one option left...
Was going to disagree but realised I wouldn't know the perspective on US military training on weapons. I can tell you having been a range conducting officer in the RAF, experience tends to breed good behaviour through use of repetitive drills. I can strip an SA80 and glock blindfolded and it is seared in there never point a gun at someone I wasn't planning on making dead. And the finger does in the trigger when I make that point.
I would have guessed US military training would be similar, but I don't know...
There was a lot of accountability in the military for actions, even an ND was a serious offence. My guess is there isn't enough training as opposed to too much and being familiar.
A report I read stated US police only hit their target 30% of the time when a suspect doesn't shoot back, and only 18% if the suspect did. That's horrifying. (RAND 2008).
This was my assumption as well, coming from the ADF.
To the second highlighted part....Jesus Christ....
Do you know if that is per bullet or per event?
Not sure if those numbers are right, cops shoot a huge load of times against their target, if you watched that video when a ton of cops aiming their guns against a black guy with a knife on his hand and they shot the guy more than 30 times - ok the wall behind the guy got the most of the shots. The problem with the police force is the fact they don't have someone in command, in other words they would shoot only if the commander tells them to shoot, if that was in the military and they wanted the guy alive they would shoot his legs.
motherfeckers
LSD's a hell of a drug!
City of Fresno are buying 270 machine guns for their police.
http://abc30.com/news/fresno-city-c...r-fresno-pd-despite-public-criticism/1659250/
http://abc30.com/news/fresno-city-c...r-fresno-pd-despite-public-criticism/1659250/
This is nothing more than an arms race?
So every cop in Fresno is going to be carrying an assault rifle as part of their regular kit?
That's genuinely insane if that's what he's planning.