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https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/04/anthony-fauci-on-new-rules-of-living-with-coronavirus
Baseball? Coachella? Handshakes? Tinder? Anthony Fauci on the New Rules of Living With Coronavirus
I just have a couple of more lifestyle questions, then I’ll let you go. People are still holding out hope for some kind of abbreviated baseball season this summer, college football will start in late August. NFL right after that. Do you think those sports seasons are in jeopardy? Are we going to have college football this fall?
You know, to be honest with you, Peter, I don’t know. I really don’t. And it’s sort of along the same line as the question you asked about the schools. It’s really going to depend on what actually evolves over the next couple of months. You know, regarding sports, I believe, and I think this is going to be implemented by the initiation and the initiative of the people who own these clubs. If you could get on television, Major League Baseball, to start July 4. Let’s say, nobody comes to the stadium. You just, you do it. I mean people say, “Well you can’t play without spectators.” Well, I think you’d probably get enough buy-in from people who are dying to see a baseball game. Particularly me. I’m living in Washington. We have the World Champion Washington Nationals. You know, I want to see them play again. But there’s a way of doing that because there have been some proposals both at the level of the NFL, Major League Baseball, National Hockey League, to get these people tested, and to put them in big hotels, you know, wherever you want to play. Keep them very well surveilled, namely a surveillance, but have them tested, like every week. By a gazillion tests. And make sure they don’t wind up infecting each other or their family. And just let them play the season out. I mean, that’s a really artificial way to do it, but when you think about it, it might be better than nothing.
This could possibly work for soccer as well
I cant see how they'll just open up international travel again by September.Haven't kept up with the news - is that on the table? What are the pros / cons?
Who the feck will risk going to another (less developed) country and risk contracting coronavirus abroad? To not mention disposable income will have presumably taken a hit due to the crisis. Don't see Americans, Germans, Scandies, Brits invading the Caribbean, Southern Spain, Italy Cyprus anytime soon. Tough luck
If they extend the lockdown to October then the Covid situation will be the least of our problems. The economy will be absolutely annihilated.
why would any club refund a season ticket?
The games still took place, players played, fans sat in the stands.
Because if you sell a season ticket advertising the 19/20 season and then at a later date the 19/20 season is deemed to have never happened then fans will rightly feel cheated of their money. It's obviously pedantic but it's only fair, no? I genuinely don't understand how you could charge fans for these matches using the argument "the games still took place" while also arguing that the results of these matches and points won from these matches shouldn't count. Which is it?
I cant see how they'll just open up international travel again by September.
They could play an adjusted format for one season of course to accommodate that type of thing
Sky are reporting UEFA have pencilled in Aug 26th and Aug 29th for the EL and CL finals.
Because if you sell a season ticket advertising the 19/20 season and then at a later date the 19/20 season is deemed to have never happened then fans will rightly feel cheated of their money. It's obviously pedantic but it's only fair, no? I genuinely don't understand how you could charge fans for these matches using the argument "the games still took place" while also arguing that the results of these matches and points won from these matches shouldn't count. Which is it?
They must be really optimistic about that plan if they're using pencils.
Sky are reporting UEFA have pencilled in Aug 26th and Aug 29th for the EL and CL finals.
Why does watching football affect you reassessing your business and reconnecting with family and friends? Aren’t we all already doing that while watching sports on the side? Really weird comment.I actually don’t miss football at all.
the last couple of weeks have been great for reassessing the business, connecting with friends and family. I’ll clearly watch the games when back on, but it’s going to be far less important than it was.
this really is a reset for the world, and I hope therefore some good comes from it. Perhaps football needs to be brought down a peg or 10.
Personally I don’t like this idea of “void” but instead curtail - I think it’s a ridiculous notion to wipe the results of what’s happened. void can have many meanings
They happened, goals were scored, there were results - just that the season couldn’t finish. I don’t think that’s in any way hard to comprehend.
I guarantee you no club will be refunding full season tickets, and nor should they.
Because if you sell a season ticket advertising the 19/20 season and then at a later date the 19/20 season is deemed to have never happened then fans will rightly feel cheated of their money. It's obviously pedantic but it's only fair, no? I genuinely don't understand how you could charge fans for these matches using the argument "the games still took place" while also arguing that the results of these matches and points won from these matches shouldn't count. Which is it?
Is exactly right. You'll just get shouted down on here with this view though.
Null and void means just that, and all the implications that go with it. I have tried explaining it this many times but it just seems to fall on deaf ears. I've seen laughable suggestions that you can void the season and pay out prize money etc. You can't have your cake and eat it.
It seems the thinking was that they could go under without it.
Scottish football is a shambles.Astounding decision.
Because if you sell a season ticket advertising the 19/20 season and then at a later date the 19/20 season is deemed to have never happened then fans will rightly feel cheated of their money. It's obviously pedantic but it's only fair, no? I genuinely don't understand how you could charge fans for these matches using the argument "the games still took place" while also arguing that the results of these matches and points won from these matches shouldn't count. Which is it?
Where any match is cancelled, abandoned or postponed the Club shall have no liability whatsoever to Ticket Holders or any Authorised User in respect of any such match except that, following any cancellation, abandonment or postponement of a home match, a Ticket Holder (or an Authorised User) shall be entitled to attend the rearranged match (if any).
Stop trying to build strawmen so that you can build up the idea the season must be finished. Noone would expect to be refunded for all the games they have seen. Clubs have already said they will refund for games not played. I am sure someone will try to get the money back and any court will tell you to sod off.
I'd guess the terms and conditions of purchase will sort that sort of quite easily.
except that, following any cancellation, abandonment or postponement of a home match, a Ticket Holder (or an Authorised User) shall be entitled to attend the rearranged match (if any).
This is the pertinent part. There would be no rearranged match. Besides, none of that deals with the consequences of cancelling previously completed matches but rather focuses on either abandonment of currently ongoing matches or postponement of future matches.
Which would be all 38 games of the 19/20 season...
What? What is the logic here? They played 28 or 29 games...Which would be all 38 games of the 19/20 season...
It says quite plainly that there is no obligation to if a game is cancelled. If a game is played later you get to go but if it isn't you don't get a refund. There is no confusion there.
"Match" means any Premier League football match (or other competition match as applicable) in which the Club participates and that takes place at the Ground during an applicable Season.
What? What is the logic here? They played 28 or 29 games...
And the players should give their salary back, and staff members too because owners will rightly feel cheated. The event took place regardless of the outcome of the league. They're not cheating or stealing your money, you payed to watch a game and you did. The team had to pay players and all of the expenses to host a match.Because if you sell a season ticket advertising the 19/20 season and then at a later date the 19/20 season is deemed to have never happened then fans will rightly feel cheated of their money. It's obviously pedantic but it's only fair, no? I genuinely don't understand how you could charge fans for these matches using the argument "the games still took place" while also arguing that the results of these matches and points won from these matches shouldn't count. Which is it?
Is exactly right. You'll just get shouted down on here with this view though.
Null and void means just that, and all the implications that go with it. I have tried explaining it this many times but it just seems to fall on deaf ears. I've seen laughable suggestions that you can void the season and pay out prize money etc. You can't have your cake and eat it.
Why does watching football affect you reassessing your business and reconnecting with family and friends? Aren’t we all already doing that while watching sports on the side? Really weird comment.
Agree. What we've been discussing can actually be splitted into two parts.That thread is full of people just like you and me who don't have a clue how the world will look like 3 months time, let alone in 2021. Looking at countries taking measures, the Bundesliga is already in talks with the government after they banned public events until 31 August, because their BCD football proposal wouldn't fall under that. Yet you are here suggesting we won't have football until August 2021 when most leagues are already thinking about restarting asap. Just not very realistic, is my opinion.
It's not even gonna be just "a long time" before we return to what was normal like you say - we might never get back to that point. But we will adapt, find solutions, and life will return to "normalcy" as much as possible. Football is also a part of that.
There is no Premier League in Taiwan. There are no professional footballers either and it's just a semi-pro competition which consists of a few teams only. This can hardly serve as an example for professional football to restore.For all the "football won't start until 2021" talk, Taiwan, a country with one of the best responses to the pandemic, just started their Premier League a week ago. So you know, it's possible.
I hope this happens but I doubt this is the case. Most governments prioritize on economic development after such a crisis, few would actually look into the problems of the healthcare system. After a few elections, no one would remember the epidemic/pandemic and the healthcare system remains neglected.There's about 8 months of spare time to get your shit together and you'd imagine that the UK will take it more seriously the second time around.
Point is, a country that apparently knows what it's doing, deems it safe to play to football BCD, despite the social distancing measures.
The competition is literally called the Taiwan Football Premier League and if the country deems it safe for about 40 non-professionals to be lax on social distancing than there's no reason to believe the same can't apply for professionals.There is no Premier League in Taiwan. There are no professional footballers either and it's just a semi-pro competition which consists of a few teams only. This can hardly serve as an example for professional football to restore.
There's no way that countries won't invest heavily in their health care systems while the pandemic, which has a significant effect on the economy, is still going on.I hope this happens but I doubt this is the case. Most governments prioritize on economic development after such a crisis, few would actually look into the problems of the healthcare system. After a few elections, no one would remember the epidemic/pandemic and the healthcare system remains neglected.
I actually don’t miss football at all.
the last couple of weeks have been great for reassessing the business, connecting with friends and family. I’ll clearly watch the games when back on, but it’s going to be far less important than it was.
this really is a reset for the world, and I hope therefore some good comes from it. Perhaps football needs to be brought down a peg or 10.