Sandikan
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So insecure 19-6. How old are you?
We all know a middle aged Liverpool fan who wears a t shirt with the European cup wins on when it's mufti day.

So insecure 19-6. How old are you?
Playing behind closed doors only works as long as players don’t get infected. As soon as someone does they’ll have to shut it all down again.
Prepare yourself guys. 19-6 is coming& I think deep down you all know it.
You lot deserve it, no question about it and absolutely no qualms from me if it’s concluded that way. ‘Concluding this season > starting next season’ is how I see things to be honest. But I won’t deny the humour in the absolute implausibility of how things panned out for you: first title in thirty years, and running away with the league at that, only for a once-in-a-hundred years pandemic to derail the whole thing at the final hurdle?
You simply couldn’t write it. Incredible.
Its a bit short sighted too. Imagine being a West Ham fan during this, they may want Corona to ease the painSomeone needs to tell Carragher that the thing that would lift football fans morale the most would be null and void.
With all due respect, the chances are there are players who will get infected whenever we start playing, unless we're not starting football until there's a vaccine out. A few months likely isn't going to change that unfortunately. For the next couple of years, and maybe forever if it turns out being seasonal and different strains, this virus will be a part of our lives. I imagine that when we start football back up, players will be aware, that just like everyone else, there's the possibility they may contract this going about their lives with the lesser restrictions.Exactly this.
Rushing to start BCD and then having to stop it all again just makes it even more of a farce.
You'd either end up with some teams having massive backlogs of games, or you'd have to shut it all down to be safe.
Neither is good.
I think the silliest situation beyond that, would be if we come back, Liverpool for instance get their 2 wins, but then it all breaks down again and THEN they decide it has to officially end.
The premise of a league - all play all hasn't finished, so it's different to the Man City winning their league cup.
But Liverpool would have not been able to catch.
I think that'd be an even messier situation to resolve.
I think the silliest situation beyond that, would be if we come back, Liverpool for instance get their 2 wins, but then it all breaks down again and THEN they decide it has to officially end.
What if they lose those 2 games...I think this is exactly what they are hoping. Get a couple ofgames in quick, who cares about the problems quick and then we can hand Liverpool the title with no complaints
Surely that can`t happen here though , you can`t test footballers , refs cameramen and the like when entering a stadium and squads daily when we don`t even test doctors, nurses and care workers .
Yes and no.
The fact there were still another 73 rounds of the Europa counts against it a bit!
Jamie Carragher is on Sky News arguing that letting football return will "lift morale" ffs
Playing behind closed doors only works as long as players don’t get infected. As soon as someone does they’ll have to shut it all down again.
Germany plan is for every single person involved in BCD match to be tested before entering the stadium. If you're showing symptoms you ain't getting in to the stadium (not sure how it works if one of the refs can't be involved!). German clubs will be apparently testing the squads every day so it will be closely monitored and I assume german teams will be in quarantine in hotels/training centres in any case so minimal chance of spreading.
I thought null and void was a genuine threat at one stage, but now i'm convinced they'll try and force out some sort of BCD action In the Premier league, simply because of the money aspect.
Whereas I think they'll probably end the lower leagues pretty soon.
Will they? Is this going to apply to every other business in the uk then?Playing behind closed doors only works as long as players don’t get infected. As soon as someone does they’ll have to shut it all down again.
What about this?
Is that ok BCD?
What about this?
Is that ok BCD?
What about celebrations like this?
Prepare yourself guys. 18+1* - 6 is coming& I think deep down you all know it.
You were as good as in the QFs with that big first leg lead so to me more chance of winning that than FA cup given no side of Man. City's quality is left in europa. Would certainly have you as 2nd favourites.
Calm as you like here mate. If this had happened 12 months ago when us & City were neck & neck in the league then I would have been fearful, & it would have been a wet-dream for you guys. The Premier League couldn't have awarded it to either team based on sporting merit because had they done so it would have gone against UEFA's 'non-discriminatory' stance. So not only would City have been denied a league title but we'd have probably missed out on winning The Champions League too because of the virus bring life to a standstill...…..Phew !!! I couldn't have lived with the jizzfest on here had that happened.
It's funny how when @Dumbstar brought up the Dutch, Belgian, & Scottish leagues all cancelling their respective seasons they were passed off as 2nd rate leagues who are irrelevant when it comes to how we finish our Premier League. However, the Dutch league miraculously is now the blueprint as to how others should end their respective leaguesNo mention of the Belgian & Scottish leagues who want to end theirs along with naming a winner. No, no, no, that's not the way to do it.
The possibility of lengthy, expensive, legal challenges have been spoken about right from the start of this thread. They are still very much a probability right across all the leagues in Europe. Who then would challenge The Premier League's decision to award the title to a side that's so far ahead you can't even see their heels for dust ? Answer is, nobody.
Prepare yourself guys. 19-6 is coming& I think deep down you all know it.
So it seems that some fans have gone from:
"null and void is the only way" to
"I like this Dutch model, because that way LFC don't get the title and Utd might even still get CL, its a win-win. Yeah feck that void nonsense lets go Dutch"
It's a great day when you wake up and realise that tribalism is alive and kicking, welcome back to the dark side lads.![]()
Should certainly be banned. Only from the mens game for now though. Let's not go overboard.
Should certainly be banned. Only from the mens game for now though. Let's not go overboard.
Will they? Is this going to apply to every other business in the uk then?
So when McDonalds, Barclays etc open up again, if one person who works for these companies gets covid they all get shut down? @BigRedScouser mentioned it a few lines up but people need to start accepting that Corona is here to stay. We’re going to have to work through it, everyone, doesn’t matter if it’s footballers or people in retail, teachers etc. You cannot set the bar at “if one person gets it we shut everything down”.
Unfortunately didn't Carragher's wife test positive for Covid?
And he still wants football during this time?
Don't worry the FA will let it go on for 3 games until the scouse win the league then they'll stop everything.
This is so ridiculous and unworkable!
Games are still at least six weeks away.
You really think the government will get away with not rolling out mass testing for another six weeks? They've promised availability of 100k a day from end of next week.
Football obviously won't be being played if it isn't ramped up like it has been in Germany for many weeks.
Perhaps not, but out of all the things people are choosing to get outraged and sham people over, why that?Sitting on a park bench isn't outrageous but it's not what you should be doing at the moment as the repercussions are obvious.
Agreed that's why i said its illogical to award something subjective which has an even probability of happening and not award something else subjective which has a high probability of happening.
Shame you have no posts left, hope you get promoted soon.
Holland isn't a major league, no disrespect to them.
Nowhere near the money involved.
Tight at the top.
Three big differences with our league.
We'll see though..but it'll be months ahead still
My father is a doctor, he's not working with covid patients but still having to ration PPE in his ward - and hasn't been tested yet due to lack of kits. Likewise my mother is a social care worker, one of her residents has passed away from covid and 4 others have contracted it, 2 of which are on ventilators right now - her care home have no PPE and has literally had to beg and plead to be given 10 testing kits in the last 3 weeks.
If football restarts despite NHS & frontline workers are having to work in such conditions, plus the already limited supplies will be used for the benefit of professional athletes i'll be livid - as i'm sure anyone who's in the medical field or a frontline worker, or has loved ones in either job sector would be too.
There's a vast variety of perspectives on this matter that affect many people - hence why i'll say for the last time, it's an incredibly tone-deaf comment to make, right now.
After careful consideration I've come to the conclusion that there are only two ways to solve this season with any class and dignity. Valuing safety, fairness and decency over greed.
1. Null and void the season.
2. Use points acquired from past games to construct the final table, as suggested by many Liverpool fans.
Below are the all time Premier League points totals, these points from past premier League games would be added to this season's points totals, that number would be divided by the total number of games played by each team in the Premier League era to give a points per game figure, this could then be multiplied by 38 to provide the true final standings of the present season - as suggested by many Liverpool fans.
Manchester United 2,213
Arsenal FC 1,995
Chelsea FC 1,979
Liverpool FC 1,636
etc.
This solution should appease Liverpool fans who would be awarded the opportunity to enter the Champions League qualifying stages.
This should be welcomed as a suitable solution by all right-minded football fans who have respect for the safety of NHS and other frontline heroes.
I would say the equivalent would be if the FA Cup final last year was halted after 85 minutes, don't think even Watford would argue letting City have it.
It's competely different situations because comebacks in CL's are possible, blowing a 25 point lead with 9 games to go is about as close to footballing impossibility as it's possible to get. They could play the last 9 games a trillion times and they ain't blowing it even once. If Chelsea were 2 up at half time of an abandoned CL final i would agree it shouldn't be awarded to us and if we can't play the second half at a later date then tough, but if we were 6 up with 5 minutes to go when abandoned my stance would be the total opposite.I think that kind of misses the point of the argument though - should Arsenal have been awarded the points against Newcastle in Feb 2011 had the game been abandoned after 60 minutes? (4-0 to Arsenal at the time - nobody in the history of the PL had ever or has ever since avoided defeat after going 0-4 down)
Let's say the 2nd leg of the Barcelona-PSG game or the Liverpool-Barcelona game couldn't be played for whatever reason. Would it have been right to just assume PSG and Barcelona would have qualified?
The beauty of football is that it's not over until it's over. You can't arbitrarily award points or wins until the game or season is complete. As other posters have pointed out, where do you draw the line? If Liverpool had been 15pts clear before the suspension, would that have been enough? How about 10? How about 6?
If Liverpool had mathematically won the title that would have opened up a different argument about whether they could be crowned Champions without any relegations. As it stands, the title wasn't mathematically won, a freak event has occurred which NOBODY foresaw and unfortunately for them, the ONLY way this can play out (unless we want to put next season at risk as well) is to finish the season and declare it void
It's competely different situations because comebacks in CL's are possible, blowing a 25 point lead with 9 games to go is about as close to footballing impossibility as it's possible to get. They could play the last 9 games a trillion times and they ain't blowing it even once. If Chelsea were 2 up at half time of an abandoned CL final i would agree it shouldn't be awarded to us and if we can't play the second half at a later date then tough, but if we were 6 up with 5 minutes to go when abandoned my stance would be the total opposite.
If you see my post pre pandemic i was dreading them winning the league as much as anyone but i can't justify not awarding it them and if as much as one other league declares a Champion then that makes any argument not to 'void'.