Cristiano Ronaldo - performances 2017/18

The Ballon d'Or voting has changed though (again) no ? The world cup will play a massive role and will be more important than a possible 3rd CL in a row for Ronaldo
That's because a CL 3-peat is by definition, taken place over 3 years rather than 1.

If Messi wins the WC whilst Ronaldo 3-peats the CL, it'd be a close call.

If the reverse happened, Ronaldo has it in the bag.

If Argentina or Portugal don't win the CL, it's down to the CL.
 
Really? The world cup is literally won every four years while we may never see a CL 3peat again in our lifetime.
Just because Madrid are setting records doesn't change the fact that the greatest sides of our generation couldn't even defend the CL successfully never mind win it 3 times in a row, 4 times in 5 years!
That's "it happened in the 60s so doesn't count because it was against FC Cornwall" type stats.


cal said he prefers CL three-peat over WC for Cristiano.
I don't think anyone thinks that way, especially given Cristiano has already won 4 CL, and a world cup win will give Messi fans heart attack.
 
cal said he prefers CL three-peat over WC for Cristiano.
I don't think anyone thinks that way, especially given Cristiano has already won 4 CL, and a world cup win will give Messi fans heart attack.
I didn't say that, I said that a CL 3-peat is a bigger achievement than a single WC win.

Obviously with the 2 CLs already in the bag, 1 WC & 2CL > 3 CL
 
World Cup over another Champions League this year, there's no doubt about it, but a WC vs a CL 3-peat is another story.

Di Stefano, Cruyff & co are as very much rated in the GOAT tier due to their CL 3-peats.


but neither are Di Stefano or Cruyff are seen as GOAT, but Pele and Maradona are. Why because former duo don't have WC, later do.
so even at this stage(CL 3peat), WC is more crucial for Cristiano's legacy.
 
but neither are Di Stefano or Cruyff are seen as GOAT, but Pele and Maradona are. Why because former duo don't have WC, later do.
so even at this stage(CL 3peat), WC is more crucial for Cristiano's legacy.
That's because he's already won 4 CLs, ask fat Ronaldo or Matthäus if not winning the CL leaves a hole.
 
I didn't say that, I said that a CL 3-peat is a bigger achievement than a single WC win.

Obviously with the 2 CLs already in the bag, 1 WC & 2CL > 3 CL

sorry misunderstood your post but don't agree with your point. Winning world cup is as exclusive as Continental Cup threesome, given in a career of say 10 year, your probability of winning WC is less than a CC threesome.


But lets agree to disagree


anyways cristiano has 4CL, not two.
 
That's because a CL 3-peat is by definition, taken place over 3 years rather than 1.

If Messi wins the WC whilst Ronaldo 3-peats the CL, it'd be a close call.

If the reverse happened, Ronaldo has it in the bag.

If Argentina or Portugal don't win the CL, it's down to the CL.

Winning the CL three times in a row, in modern football, is absolutely unprecedented. With all the different variables it should be virtually impossible, but here we almost are.. I'd definitely take a CL "3-peat" ahead of the WC - it's the stuff of Football Manager basically.
 
That's because a CL 3-peat is by definition, taken place over 3 years rather than 1.

If Messi wins the WC whilst Ronaldo 3-peats the CL, it'd be a close call.

If the reverse happened, Ronaldo has it in the bag.

If Argentina or Portugal don't win the CL, it's down to the CL.
There is nothing in the bag because Ronaldo will still need to play a good role in that possible WC win. We're all playing simulations so what if Portugal wins the WC with 0 goals from Ronaldo and a fairly shitty tournament in general ?
 
There is nothing in the bag because Ronaldo will still need to play a good role in that possible WC win. We're all playing simulations so what if Portugal wins the WC with 0 goals from Ronaldo and a fairly shitty tournament in general ?


TBF they cannot win WC without a goals from Cristiano as they need him to perform so they can reach final.

but agree if CR wins WC while Messi wins treble(third treble, most unique achievement, much more rare than CL 3peat), it will be as close as former 3peat CL and later win WC.
 
sorry misunderstood your post but don't agree with your point. Winning world cup is as exclusive as Continental Cup threesome, given in a career of say 10 year, your probability of winning WC is less than a CC threesome.


But lets agree to disagree


anyways cristiano has 4CL, not two.
That's just not true, a CL 3-peat has only been done 3 times; a WC is literally won every 4 years.

But we can agree to disagree.

I know he has 4 CLs, I meant the last 2 and a potential 3rd in a row this year.
 
There is nothing in the bag because Ronaldo will still need to play a good role in that possible WC win. We're all playing simulations so what if Portugal wins the WC with 0 goals from Ronaldo and a fairly shitty tournament in general ?
As if Portugal stand any chance if Ronaldo doesn't perform in the WC. ;)
 
TBF they cannot win WC without a goals from Cristiano as they need him to perform so they can reach final.

but agree if CR wins WC while Messi wins treble(third treble, most unique achievement, much more rare than CL 3peat), it will be as close as former 3peat CL and later win WC.
Given how low the domestic cup is rated in many countries, I'm not sure that's such a standout achievement.
 
TBF they cannot win WC without a goals from Cristiano as they need him to perform so they can reach final.

but agree if CR wins WC while Messi wins treble(third treble, most unique achievement, much more rare than CL 3peat), it will be as close as former 3peat CL and later win WC.

As if Portugal stand any chance if Ronaldo doesn't perform in the WC. ;)

They can, if they invoke the spirit of Lord Eder in each match. It's a hypothetical anyway, you guys are boring...
 
They can, if they invoke the spirit of Lord Eder in each match. It's a hypothetical anyway, you guys are boring...
:lol: Fair enough.

I would say that Argentina still have a decent chance even if Messi doesn't go.
 
:lol: Fair enough.

I would say that Argentina still have a decent chance even if Messi doesn't go.
They wouldn't be at the WC without Messi, won 1 out of 8 without Messi in qualifying.
Argentina have no chance of winning, Messi or not.
 
They wouldn't be at the WC without Messi, won 1 out of 8 without Messi in qualifying.
Argentina have no chance of winning, Messi or not.
Sooner or later they have to work out how to play without Messi.
 
Given how low the domestic cup is rated in many countries, I'm not sure that's such a standout achievement.

winning a treble is a rare and very difficult achievement, and winning it thrice with same player as your main man is super rare, no matter how much domestic cup is held in esteem as you need to be focused whole season trying to win everything unlike slipping the league from hand and throwing away the cup to focus more on continental cup like Zidane(not Cristiano, he can't be blamed in the final verdict as he just had a bad start to the domestic competition which he has changed since this year began) did this season.
 
winning a treble is a rare and very difficult achievement, and winning it thrice with same player as your main man is super rare, no matter how much domestic cup is held in esteem as you need to be focused whole season trying to win everything unlike slipping the league from hand and throwing away the cup to focus more on continental cup like Zidane(not Cristiano, he can't be blamed in the final verdict as he just had a bad start to the domestic competition which he has changed since this year began) did this season.
Fair enough, I'm not trying to talk it down at all.
 
winning a treble is a rare and very difficult achievement, and winning it thrice with same player as your main man is super rare, no matter how much domestic cup is held in esteem as you need to be focused whole season trying to win everything unlike slipping the league from hand and throwing away the cup to focus more on continental cup like Zidane(not Cristiano, he can't be blamed in the final verdict as he just had a bad start to the domestic competition which he has changed since this year began) did this season.

Not really the case anymore. It happens every other year now.

Barcelona in 2009
Inter in 2010
2011 - Barcelona lost the cup final
2012 noone came close
Bayern in 2013
2014 - Madrid threw the league away, ended up 3 points short
Barcelona in 2015
2016 noone came close
2017 - Juve lost the CL final and Madrid lost in the cup to Celta

It's difficult but it's not rare anymore
 
Not really the case anymore. It happens every other year now.

Barcelona in 2009
Inter in 2010
2011 - Barcelona lost the cup final
2012 noone came close
Bayern in 2013
2014 - Madrid threw the league away, ended up 3 points short
Barcelona in 2015
2016 noone came close
2017 - Juve lost the CL final and Madrid lost in the cup to Celta

It's difficult but it's not rare anymore
But it doesn't judging from what you posted
 
Then 'every other year' doesn't mean what I thought it meant :lol:
You had me scratching my head, I was looking for some white text or hidden meaning :lo:
You do have a point, it's not as rare in the early 2000s or 90s because there are a few superteams in Europe who really can dominate outrageously their leagues and cup competitions which give them a good chance at a treble (Juve, Barca and Bayern) fairly regularly.
 
The national press being more interested in the national team shocker...

Did they give it to Iniesta in 2010 or Neuer in 2014? The Ballon D’or belongs to those 2 until someone does something amazing. It would take Neymar to win the WC AND be top scorer to stand any chance. The way Neymar chocked in the last 16 match against Real already has him at a very weak starting point.

If Argentina win the WC, Messi will win it even if he gets injured in the first match and doesn’t play again; same for Portugal and Ronaldo.

Eh? Why?
 
Not really the case anymore. It happens every other year now.

Barcelona in 2009
Inter in 2010
2011 - Barcelona lost the cup final
2012 noone came close
Bayern in 2013
2014 - Madrid threw the league away, ended up 3 points short
Barcelona in 2015
2016 noone came close
2017 - Juve lost the CL final and Madrid lost in the cup to Celta

It's difficult but it's not rare anymore

They came near but didn't achieve it, which is the very definition of rare, stop clutching straws:lol:
 
When you factor in that Madrid have arguably half of the world's top 20 players in their squad (with the other half in Barcelona), the CL 3-peat loses lot of its lustre. There's no chance it trumps any WC victory.
 
he is the third in the historical ranking of goals with national team,with 81 :eek: only behind Puskas and Daei(don't know who is)
 
He’ll definitely end at least second, and I imagine he’ll play until he’s 50 if it means ending at number one.
 
29 goals to beat Ali Daei's all time international record
Do we think Ron will hang on until Qatar to do it?
 
What that now? 20 goals in his last 10 games?

23 in the last 12 :lol:

29 goals to beat Ali Daei's all time international record
Do we think Ron will hang on until Qatar to do it?

Impossible to predict, Ibra was scoring 50 goals 2 seasons ago and now it's over. One injury at this point can have a massive impact but if not he could geniunely start for us as long as he wants to, I'm convinced even a 40 year old Ronaldo would be our biggest goal threat considering our recent history with strikers.
 
Yet San Marino currently below all of them
Because San Marino are in Uefa where the teams are generally much better.

In AFC there are so many incredibly bad teams, they win games against each other and get more points than San Marino getting trashed by everyone.
 
23 in the last 12 :lol:



Impossible to predict, Ibra was scoring 50 goals 2 seasons ago and now it's over. One injury at this point can have a massive impact but if not he could geniunely start for us as long as he wants to, I'm convinced even a 40 year old Ronaldo would be our biggest goal threat considering our recent history with strikers.

True, isn't that the classic Portuguese problem
The lack of a decent striker
Considering international standard can be trash at times I'm sure a 40 yo Ron would definitely plunder some goals
 
Because San Marino are in Uefa where the teams are generally much better.

In AFC there are so many incredibly bad teams, they win games against each other and get more points than San Marino getting trashed by everyone.

The opposition is irrelevant, if he doesn’t beat it an ends up staying second all time people won’t discount the guy at the top altogether. But I do see him beating it.