It should be only 4 games.I don't know what it's the point of the appeal committee if they don't modify the wrong decisions of the referees
Cristiano Ronaldo - performances 2017/18
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The 5th game is away vs Real Sociedad for the league. I have no idea why they didn't rescind the 1 game ban for the second yellow card, he should only be missing 4 games
There's something I'd like to know some other opinions without bad blood, I'd never send out a player for what happened with Ronaldo in the last game, that's why we have human refs to interpretate the rules, and not just a 20 men tv cast enforcing the law
Where's the line between diving and protesting?
Because, what I see in that action is Ronaldo falls down, there might be some minor contact but probably not enough to throw him down (somewhat close to what happened in his famous penalty vs Celta), and still he goes down already asking the ref to blow the foul. And of course, this applies to everyone, Neymar, Alves, Busquets, Alba and Suarez are always some of those prime suspects that always fall to the ground while already asking the ref to signal a foul, hell I love Messi but he has that same reflex sometimes.
But this right there is Klinsmann school 101, IF there's enough contact to throw him down it happens outside the area so that would've been a foul, but as Klinsmann taught us you don't go down when you fall right before entering the area, you try to sell the foul inside the area and that's also happening here (and again, happens all the time with every player, sometimes they get away with it, sometimes not). So I don't get how this can be judged as one of those decisios where you're either 100% right or wrong, there's room for interpretation if Ronaldo does the job to fall down, it extends to how he takes another step to get into the area and start the "I'm fouled" motion, and him instantly turning and asking for a call doesn't help the case.
In situations like this is were the ref has to thread lightly unless there's a rule that implies that if there's any doubt you either sanction the attacking player or signal nothing. and if we start looking at these situations after the game (disregarding the ref call) we're all going to end salty with all our our forwards getting more yellow cards individually over a whole season than Busquets and Casemiro combined
Diving is diving. If you throw yourself to the ground intentionally, that's diving. If you fall because you lose your balance, or to avoid a dangerous tackle, that's not diving. Protesting should have nothing to do with it
Nice little ban of 5 games, if he moans more I would up the ban.
Then too many players dive. Many players are well built enough not to fall for a push or just a trip of the leg. But they do fall even with slight push.
That's why it's such a tricky situation. If recognizing diving was always easy, we would have already gotten rid of it
But it barely works that way most of the time
You get a yellow for unsporting behaviour, which literally is "If a player attempts to deceive the referee by feigning injury (shamefully, refs totally overlook this) or pretending to have been fouled (Simulation)"
And that's where the line blurs, you can be touched out of balance just fighting for the ball without it being a foul, but how can you expect for a ref to separate between when you fall because you had to, or you wanted to fall? And how much harder are players making it when right as the ref could be thinking about those 2 cases, they just turn around and start signaling and screaming? Protesting as you fall has become part of the simulation, that's a fact, one that my very favourite team has helped stablish.
In the pitch it's pretty hard to tell, and as I said before, if we start judging those actions after the game, we're in for a lot of yellow cards, even with VAR there's going to be problems because where you see enought force to foul I might not.
@Ishdalar
As for protesting, same thing. Most of the time, when players protest is because they believe they were fouled. Only in the most blatant cases of diving we can tell for sure they're trying to dupe the ref
For example, we believe, from the replay, that suarez dived AND put on the theatrics on top of it, feigning a hard hit and everything. But can the LFP actually prove that, without doubt?
Likewise, we also believe from the replay that Cristiano lost his balance trying to control the ball and then bumped into Umtiti while already out of balance, which lead to him going down. But can the ref see and recognize all that live? And can the LFP prove that that is what happened without a doubt?
That's why getting rid of diving is so difficult
(BTW if you ask me, the answer is YES and YES and YES. But I admit both decisions weren't easy for the ref. It's just that he, seemingly got both wrong, and both pro barcelona, and refs making miatakes pro-barca in the clasico is becoming something of a regular occurrence. Not that there are no mistakes in our favour, but they've been fewer and above all less visible/blatant. Plus it's barcelona, a club that tend to blame the refs everytime they don't win)
As for protesting, same thing. Most of the time, when players protest is because they believe they were fouled. Only in the most blatant cases of diving we can tell for sure they're trying to dupe the ref
For example, we believe, from the replay, that suarez dived AND put on the theatrics on top of it, feigning a hard hit and everything. But can the LFP actually prove that, without doubt?
Likewise, we also believe from the replay that Cristiano lost his balance trying to control the ball and then bumped into Umtiti while already out of balance, which lead to him going down. But can the ref see and recognize all that live? And can the LFP prove that that is what happened without a doubt?
That's why getting rid of diving is so difficult
(BTW if you ask me, the answer is YES and YES and YES. But I admit both decisions weren't easy for the ref. It's just that he, seemingly got both wrong, and both pro barcelona, and refs making miatakes pro-barca in the clasico is becoming something of a regular occurrence. Not that there are no mistakes in our favour, but they've been fewer and above all less visible/blatant. Plus it's barcelona, a club that tend to blame the refs everytime they don't win)
Well that's what I wanted to know, because I felt weird with the "they sould rescind the second yellow" thing, I think there's room for interpretation in that action and overruling the call would be an awful decision IF they don't keep doing the same thing for the rest of the season, in the end is always about taking a line and following it, something our FA and the refs seem to struggle more than any other country in Europe.
The ref things and how it's been for the last games, I can understand it, but in the end, when I'm not heated up by the game I think it's just again the poor ref level we have in our league, the Ronaldo one is open to interpretation in what happens in that last situation, but you can't go showing red cards to people for a celebration and a doubtful dive while guys like Casemiro or Busquets play with fire and don't get burned every week, good refs have to compromise with the players and understand situations, and Bengoetxea failed miserably there.
The Suarez thing tho, I find it the most disturbing piece of refeering I've seen in months, he can doubt if there's contact (and he almost feels the contact if we watch that gif), that's okay, but if there's contact that means he sees Keylor hit Suarez' leg almost in the knee and that's, best case scenario for Madrid, a yellow. Suarez isn't going to reach that ball and the GK does a dangerous tackle without even touching the ball.
So, we're talking here (again) about an awful referee, he sees contact were there probably isn't, BUT if he sees that contact he can't leave Navas go without even a yellow card, and still does it (2nd error), then we have this Ronaldo fiasco, I'm starting to sound like an old man repeating this after every bad job our refs do, but when there's so many errors in their performances even in the same game, talking about a persecution and a conspiracy loses a lot of steam, they are just really bad, sometimes you get punished, sometimes us, just 2 actions in a single game can make the refeering feel totally biased towards a team
Keylor was booked for that
And personally i thought the ref did quite well until after the red card. Yes, he made those two big mistakes(and maybe another one when messi might have been fouled in the box at the beginning of the seconf half), but i don't think those were easy calls to make. He kinda lost the plot afterwards
Linesmen were flawless btw. Should give them every big game
I do think there was contact with the hips but it wasn't a foul as it was side by side. Ronaldo tried to get infront of Umiti so he could be tackled by behind but didn't go that way. He instead kind of bounced against his hips and started tripping from there so it's not like he fell for nothing but he was already going at Umiti with the idea of falling at the first contact (and there was a contact). He could have tried to displace him using a lot more force and he might have stayed on his feet, because at some point it looked like Ronaldo was going to gain position so I think he also slowed down on purpose just to be tackled by behind but it didn't go like that at all.
What he does afterwards protesting and asking for a booking and all that shit is up for the referee to decide but I don't think that was a dive where he fell without any sort of contact. The contact was side by side, between the hips, it did happen but that should never be considered a penalty or foul. So Ronaldo could have tackled Umiti and I do think the referee should have let the play go if that had been the case as well.
No he wasn't, at least per whoscored and Marca, and I don't remember him being booked either.
That's why I said that action was mental, if you see contact the way the angles at some pictures show Suarez and Keylors' feet and leg, you have to show him at least a yellow (if I see enough contact there to give a pen, Navas or any other GK gets a red card, no doubt).
When a ref screws that badly towards both teams in the same action, you might understand how that same night he can send off Ronaldo for "diving" without it being due to an agenda, he's just awful or having an horrible night, you're right he was doing a good job, but it all started to crumble after he went cowboy with yellow cards (I think around 40 minutes mark were he showed 3 to Messi, Carva and Bale). Another thing I saw no one notice, Messi gets a yellow for a foul to Casemiro when he mostly hits Busquets, who at the same time is the one that hurts Casemiro, he then receives his yellow card in the 57', had the ref not lost the plot, would probably be the 2nd one
Really? Guess i imagined it 'cause i expected it...
And yeah, i agree with you. Ref made mistakes but he wasn't bent or anything. Mistakes happen
Says this is 'persecution'. He really is a ridiculous little scrote sometimes.
like a boss
A guy on reddit made a Ronaldo movie. 1 hour and 41 minutes of highlights
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He's going to tear it up again this year isn't he? 5th balon d'or coming up and then a 6th when RM unfortunately win the CL again.
Well there's clearly an intentional push (slight one) from the defender behind when Ronaldo is running in full speed in scoring position. Whether the push is strong enough to qualify as a foul (hence penalty) is another matter. But after all Ronaldo got 4 match suspension for a slight push on ref, with same logic I don't see why Ronaldo should get a red card for diving when someone did the same to him. Yes they are different, but just saying 5 match suspension was unfair to Ronaldo case.
Oh boy oh boy I hope so *rubs hands*
Every feckin year the envy oozes out of the pores of his naysayers. Is it because he is a gorgeous man or is it his uninhabited competitiveness? I can't recall anywhere near the same vitriol for his Argentinian arch rival. Both will be remembered as all time greatest. The nonsense now is purely the leftovers of the modern internet-coward era. It highlights the filth - this baseless animosity between fans that love either or both players.
@Ishdalar
You're being too kind. The whole incident is a disgrace. Just a few years ago you see that and you have two scenarios:
*Penalty Given
Fans - "good peno. Ronaldo traps the ball away from the defender and knowing his quality he could slot it by the keeper but the defender leans in, throws him off too much. Maybe just maybe soft but I'll take it"
Opposition - "dammit that's a soft penalty. Shoulder to shoulder. Feckin ref"
*Penalty not given, play on
Fans - "wtf cmon ref! You blind!?"
Opposition - "good call ref! Player goes down too easy. Next time if he wants it he has to stay strong and not flop like a rag doll"
But today, none of that. It's a punishable offense. There's no discretion as to the point in the match or the clarity of the incident. The ref has a golden cookie up his arse and can make terrible decisions that extend beyond the match. And god forbid his shirt get wrinkles by a nonviolent nudge by the begrudging player. It's not a head butt or a punch. It's bloody harmless. The ban is the equivalent of rewardin playacting (though the ref doesn't dive).
I'm no conspiracy theorist but it doesn't help that most of these organizations are getting fat off 'donations'. Feck them all. Bitcoins forever. Wooo. Wat?
Ohh absolutely, they really were fantastic. The call on Ronaldo offside was superb, I totally thought he was onside even with replays until I saw a different angled one, great call.
He seems to have accepted Zidane's way of rotating him. Also, his finishing seems to have become even better last season. He used to miss plenty of chances but god damn was he ruthless in the CL.
He's been training with Robben during the summer
Needs to keep those coming
Think he doesn't want to be outdone by Asensio
Think he doesn't want to be outdone by Asensio
Was Fiorentina playing Pique on the back? He's so good it's getting repetitive and I don't know if you watched it but he also set up the first goal with an assistance from the same flank.
Who did he end up signing for after his irreversible decision?
Keeper should Do a lot better there
No white text? It was full power from point blank range regardless if it was above him or not.
Hattrick.
Brings him to third highest goal scorer (80) just behind Puskas (83) & Ali Daei (109).
Brings him to third highest goal scorer (80) just behind Puskas (83) & Ali Daei (109).
More international goals than Pelé
Can he get 100 international goals?
most likely. another group featuring three nations on Latvia/Andorra/F.Islands level and he can easily surpass that.
He won't stop till 110.
Legend. Going strong at 32.