Yeah talent gap is there too but to me Ronaldo's rise to a level where he can be compared only with Messi is more down to his desire to be there. Nothing wrong with it as it has helped his teams along the way.
Cristiano Ronaldo - Performances (wums will be thread banned)
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Yeah talent gap is there too but to me Ronaldo's rise to a level where he can be compared only with Messi is more down to his desire to be there. Nothing wrong with it as it has helped his teams along the way.
Completely agree with that. If you behave like a knob on the pitch you're going to get called a knob. How you're viewed and liked/disliked is in your own hands.
Now that you mention it, Ronaldo's first touch rarely lets him down.
..and how do Benfica and Porto fans behave towards him? When he was with United and we played these two teams, I remember he got abused by fans of these two teams. Do fans of these two teams really stand by him when he plays for national team? Are the yardsticks for blaming him always fair or are the fans of these two teams always on look out for putting blame on him? I don't watch Portugal games, but having watched fans behaviour towards a big player from rival club across countries, I doubt he gets treated fairly and if he doesn't then he is perfectly right to act as cnut towards them. Fans should drop this act of "we can give whatever abuse we want to a player from stands but he should take it all in and still act nice."
Come one now. You know why isn't universally loved. You can be a fan but you can't dent that his antics have led to his image not being the best.
I don't have a problem in him being hated as such. Just like people are explaining why it is fair to call him knobhead, I am explaining why he is right to behave like that on occasions, that's it. Also, I don't find problem with his supposedly cnutish behaviour because I believe in people being straightforward as they are than worry about what image gets portrayed. Better to appear as one is than project and work towards creating false image.
On occasions, sure. Everyone has that right.
Even though I like him, it is sometimes a bemused feeling in seeing him celebrate a tap in or his 5th goal in a 9-1 win etc. Only thing is, I don't think it is just because he is self-obsessed and hence he does that. He is self-obsessed, but not in any harmful way to his team. I think the excessive celebration is quite likely, partly, because of the efforts he puts in preparing, and the standards he sets for himself. He probably sets himself target of 45-50 goal in league and 60-65 goal overall as season target. So each contributing goal, penalty or tap in or long ranger, matters to him. That's my guess.
i think he has a great mentality for most purposes. His will and drive to improve are excellent. But I have some negative opinions on this topic too so it's best to not post it in the Ronldo performances thread.
Are you suggesting it's normal or expectable for players to reply to fans who boo them? Would you find it normal if someone like Owen in a Real Madrid shirt gave the finger to the public at Old Trafford if they booed him somewhat? It's not normal. Only Ronaldo took it personally and compounded the problem.
In Portugal, being booed is the norm for any player who belonged to a rival. He's a Sporting man, a Sporting fan, he's going to get some provocations. With time, after leaving the country, this fades away, and in Ronaldo's case it should have disappeared a long time ago. Do you think Figo was particularly booed at Dragão or Luz after he had left for a few years? Do you think Nani would be booed these days if he were playing at Dragão on a United shirt? I assure he wouldn't. And if he would, he wouldn't reply to the audience like Ronaldo did: by sticking a finger to Benfica fans, and refusing to answer flash interviews at Porto to repeatedly state he was ecstatic to knock Porto out of the competition. Now, how many players have you seen do this? His behaviour was pathetic and unusual for a professional footballer.
And plenty of Benfica and Porto fans support him, as these incidents were a while ago. I just mentioned them as examples of him having a poor attitude for a football player.
Ya I don't find anything wrong with players giving it back to fans. It is hypocrisy on fans part if they think they can abuse player but if he responds he is cnut. Only reason I feel player shouldn't get involved is because it can affect their game performance. Grown men shouting abuse at someone playing? Ya then they should be grown up about having it given back. Simple as that.
If fans attitude there towards him has changed over time, I dont see any reason why he will carry on with that.
They're in denial mate. Truth is there's a much stronger hatred shown towards him because of years of cheating, petulant behaviour and being one of the most self centred self obsessed sportsmen of all time.
I work with a number of Portuguese people, mostly Benfica and Porto fans. They're so salty when it comes to Ronaldo, they actually think the Portugal NT deliberately under performed in the World Cup because they don't like how Ronaldo is the star.
They think he's the main problem in their squad, yet lose to Albania and Cape Verde FFS when he's not in the squad. Without him they'd be so irrelevant and wouldn't be making it to big tournaments anymore. I almost want him to stick his middle finger up at them, retire and watch them grovel in his absence.
so modric is out for the season, lets see if ronaldo can keep his last weeks great form
The bolded is just ridiculous.
It's technically correct.
Edit: no one else seems surprised by that. It's a mental statistic.
the bolded aplies to other players that can't be named here
Other players that can't be named her are not relevant for Real Madrid's club record, are they?
He should come win us the PL again. New challenge.
I don't remember Albania but Cape Verde was essentially a new team, it wasn't only Ronaldo not in the squad, that was basically a B-side Portugal to see how a few players who had never been called performed.
And the Sweden play-off aside, I don't see what Ronaldo as added to our NT performances the past two years. He was almost invisible during most of the qualification matches and was terrible in the World Cup itself. That only to say that we wouldn't grovel in his absence, we'd miss him as much as any team misses his best player but it's not like him alone can raise us to a different level. He hardly does that. In fact, few players do in this day and age.
The way you post is like if Portugal somehow doesn't deserve him, that's ridiculous. I'm sure he enjoys playing for Portugal, and most Portuguese fans are obviously happy to having him play with us. Best players are always something of a scapegoat when teams underperform, unless they really shine at an individual level. Ronaldo isn't different to anyone else in that regard. The "extra abuse" he sometimes gets is just a consequence of his behaviour. He has pouted several times as if blaming his Portugal team-mates for not being as good as his Real Madrid fellows.
Also think Portugal will have a nice future at NT level, a lot of promising young players around. If they can benefit from playing with Ronaldo in his twilight years it can be a great combination.
He gets abuse because he's a prick. Not that hard to grasp surely
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Do you think some of it comes down to him being from Madeira? How Portuguese-y do Portuguese folk consider those from Madeira?
(I have no clue if what I'm saying is nonsense, so feel free to tell me it is if wrong).
Awesome!
Are the other guys celebrating his goals with him or not?
He was excellent during the last game, great all round performance and entertaining to boot.
No everything has to do the fact he was from sporting and he knocked down benfica from CL, Porto fans call everybody from south of Portugal "mouros" moors so maybe they are the ones with a discrimination problem.
He always makes it about him, doesn't he? What an egocentric prick, etc..
Indeed! Look how he is commanding poor Chicharito to perform an unspeakable act..
No, nothing to do with that at all. Other than laughing at our different accent on occasion we islanders are treated pretty much just like any other Portuguese.
Most people back Ronaldo, don't get me wrong. He's just not as unanimous as you'd expect for a high-profile athlete from a small country. Someone like Figo probably had a lot less people rooting for him to lose, etc.
if I am professional football player, my worst nightmare would be having Ronaldo as my teammates - yes he scores a lot and win games, but I wouldn't be able to survive under the stress and terror from his stare and his very frustrated gesture, if I fail to assist him a goal (it would be much worst if I go for a shoot myself even I did score, unless he end up scoring more)
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