He is not up there with Maradona for me but Zidane? He's much more consistent than Zidane at club level. And clearly better for Mardid than Zidane. Ask those who have watched regularly Madrid. Besides, Ronaldo is not only about goals. That's a very simplistic notion of his game.
Cristiano Ronaldo - Performances (wums will be thread banned)
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He is not up there with Maradona for me but Zidane? He's much more consistent than Zidane at club level. And clearly better for Mardid than Zidane. Ask those who have watched regularly Madrid. Besides, Ronaldo is not only about goals. That's a very simplistic notion of his game.
Valid point, but why can a player not be the best ever without goals? If Messi played like he did against City in the majority of his games in a season could he not be the best ever? Could a central midfielder never be the best ever?
No because only goals count and nothing else matters in todays game, thats why Ronaldo is the greatest because he scores more than Messi.
I'm sure Ronaldo has scored more as well due to having more penalties, early on in the season he had something like 11 penalties before christmas i think.
There is too much emphasis on Ronaldo's goals when a lot of them are meaningless simple goals.
maradona was only once top scorer -15 goals- during his stay at napoli and he shares the record with other two players for being the top scorer with less goals ever
now, or maradona wasnt that good or statistics are usefull only in context
i subscribe to the second statement
We are talking about forwards here. All GOATs have scored many goals. Beckenbauer was very prolific for a defensive player as well. He scored 4 goals in England '66, albeit he was only 21 and had a defensive role.
When i watched Zidane in the big games like world cups and CL matches he would be the best player on the pitch pulling the strings in midfield and creating attacks for his team mates. He was magical to watch and played the game so well.
Why is someone like Gerd Müller never talked about as the best ever then? Goals aren't what you need to be talked about as the best ever. The very best have something about them that you can't really describe, not just a goal record to point to.
Thank god this thread is a performance thread, and not one of those tiresome Ronaldo vs Messi cuntfests.
It's quite simple really, of you want to compare him with Messi, go to the designated thread.
If you do it in here, you'll get thread banned.
If you do it in here, you'll get thread banned.
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I did not say that only goals count. I said that if you are exceptional at scoring goals in a game in which goals decide the winner you cannot but be a great player. Gerd Müller was a great player. As is Ronaldo. Unlke Müller, Ronaldo may enter the conversation about the greatest players because he is much more versatile as a player and can contribute in more ways to the success of his team. Müller was only a centre forward. Ronaldo can play as a main and second striker and also as a winger. Only those who are very biased against Ronaldo think that he is only about goals and contributes nothing else. Müller wasn't also only about goals but he was much more limited in his ability to contribute to the game of his team than Ronaldo, IMO.
He's not anymore. He was at one point but then again he wasn't putting out ridiculous numbers when he was a better player.
In the last month or so the much maligned Hernandez has displayed a better allround game than Ronaldo has. He's just another poacher now playing in a team that creates a truck load of chances. No more.
More assists than Bale, Hames, Neymar, Hazard and anyone else in Europe (bar one forward) says something very different. He really is not just another poacher.
Ronaldo has as many assists in La Liga this season as Bale and Neymar taken together. But he is just another poacher.
It's surprising that there haven't been more 'just another poacher'-type players scoring as consistently as he has. What is it now? 50 goals a season for the past 6 seasons?
Maybe you should watch him then instead of going on stats. He's turned into a goal poacher over the last 2/3 seasons, albeit a ridiculously efficient one.
Most of them are fairly basic. Using assists as proof of anything is just stupid. If you play as advanced as Cristiano you're going to get assists regardless of your actual creativity. Like I said to you about Suárez, his passing has been a massive let down this season yet he has a lot of assists. Iniesta has been immense in previous years and barely had an assist. They prove very little on their own if you don't look at the assists themselves.
It's surprising that there haven't been more 'just another poacher'-type players scoring as consistently as he has. What is it now? 50 goals a season for the past 6 seasons?
Not everyone has the fortune of playing in a in a team as good as his built around him for the sole purpose of providing him service to score. Of course, he's very good at what he does which is why bangs in the goals he does but let's not make out like he's still versatile and can play out wide. That part of his game is long gone.
Maybe you have not watched him sufficinetly and talk out of your arse?
Yep.
If you were a striker yourself, and had to pick a creative player to create chances for you, Ronaldo wouldn't be near the top of that list, despite his assist record this season.
Bullshit.
If you ignore and discount all of the assists he has had this year, then he has barely created any chances at all
Nah.
Assists are not the only criterion of creativity, of course, but to think that they are not a criterion at all is plainly stupid.
I love how the insane number of goals he scored are dismissed as being products of a system set up just to help him, and his assists are explained as purely being a result of how far forward he is on the pitch.
Isco has probably been their best player this season. How many assists does he have?
I'm sure I never said anything to that effect.If you ignore and discount all of the assists he has had this year, then he has barely created any chances at all
9, compared to Ronaldo's 15.
Just goes to show, stats don't mean much without context. Isco's allround game is on a different planet to Ronaldo's.
No idea, but creativity isn't measured by assists.
3 league assists in 2010/11. Don't have a clue what Guardiola was at...he should have sold a key player of Barcelona's best ever season for lacking creativity.
You would expect a midfielder to have a stronger allround game than a forward / winger.
Give the stats about all seasons, not just this one. What about season 12/13? Barely had an assist? Maybe he had then more assists only because he wasn't brilliant in this season? Stop talking bullshit.
He has good numbers but like you said, his assists are msotly there because he's in the box most of the time when he receives the ball so most likely he is going to have options to pass for a simple goal for one of his team mates.
Iniesta is a perfect example, his stats are pretty poor in terms of assists and goals for an attacking midfielder but he was arguably in the top 3 players in the world for consecutive years despite having poor stats.
Isco is a winger as well who's been shoehorned into midfield.
Besides, it's how big the gap is that's the issue. The likes of Hazard, Robben, Isco, James, Iniesta etc.. all have comfortably better all round games.
If you read my post properly you'd see I said 2010/11...when he was at his best. Using your logic he must have had a mediocre season when Barça won the double though because he only had 3 assists.
It's perfectly normal to think that Ronaldo is not as good as the best players ever but to belittle his achievements as some posters do here is small time.
Have you understood my logic in the first place?
One season is a very small sample to draw any conclusions. Iniesta has contributed his fair amount of assists during the various seasons. The number of assists is not strongly correlated to creativity, of course, but there is an important correlation nonetheless. Obviously, many think that the best player in the world has so many assists because he's very creative.
I wouldn't say it is, he was in the top 3 players in the world that year providing only 3 assists. Surely stats dont tell the full story?
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