Cristiano Ronaldo - Performances (wums will be thread banned)

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Makes no sense, to be transitioning to a philosophy (yuk) that prioritises being a functioning unit, with everyone having equal responsibility for pressing and safe passing, to then buy the least team-orientated diva in the game. With little idea how long he may be effective at what he does.
"Dry your eyes mate....."
 
Ananke said:
Cant see how this price tag is 60-80m. We're the ones in control of things atm. Real are on a downward spiral, and Ronaldo is 31 as everyone keeps saying. And ronaldo has stated multiple times he loves United.

Why has the price tag GOT to be 60-80m? :/

PLUS the amount of money we'd make from bringing him back isnt even considered?
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Seems partial to the PSG manager aswell

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Hope LvG and Ed are not that stupid and by that i mean getting him at all.
 
LVG might go for him - especially if he wanted a small squad. People say he's declining but I think if he's decided to move, that his heads gone. His value is difficult to judge so change the question. Would we be comfortable him signing for a rival in the premiership? I don't think many would. People say Psg this and that, because they're perhaps 'stupid' enough and want to be seen as a massive club but coming back to United would provide greater incentives. I can't think of much better then being top goalscorer for Madrid and Man United. He's got it within him to do that. If he managed the same feat as Psg? Who'd care?

Another thing is yes it would be easy to win in France - at least domestically. However, look where we are in England. Ronaldo could quite easily give us a push and I think that would satisfy his ego. The only way he's going to France, I think would be if he felt he couldn't do it anymore. If you are Ronaldo, having Sir Alex watching in the stands for home games - and Giggs assistant would be pretty sweet.

As for his age, there weren't many better at adapting to a new position. I wouldn't rule Ronaldo out just yet. Even now, he would scare teams and that would probably be enough for him to be successful. People are writing him off but many wrote Giggs off at a similar age.
 
Anyone else think the recent terrorist attacks in Paris will put players off from moving there?

I'd certainly be having second thoughts about it.
 
Devil81 said:
Anyone else think the recent terrorist attacks in Paris will put players off from moving there?

I'd certainly be having second thoughts about it.
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Not really. By the time the transfer season starts things would have calmed down a lot. Not like there have been regular incidents, so far this is a one off and hopefully it remains like that.
 
We should invest our money elsewhere. He'd still cost a fortune but might be declining rather soon. With Ronaldo, the team needs to be set all in his favor which I think we shouldn't do anymore.
 
More than the price tag, I would be worried about the length of his contract. If you include the taxes, he costs around 40m€ per year, that's enough money to build a very strong team.
 
What's this about decline? Has anyone actually watched them other than el classico? The system he's in does not suit him and being played as a Cf/St doesn't help either.

£50m price tag: He'll win us the league if we sign him, that's a cheap title price.
Big wages: they'll pay themselves through new sponsors.
Stick him on the wing and he'll score 30 goals at least in all competitions which we can't say the same about Memphis whose been shite or Young who is shite.
 
For all his undoubted vanity, it was a bit rubbish that the tv cameras focused on Ronaldo immediately after every Barca goal yesterday. And, yeah, you could say he's brought that kind of treatment on himself but...similarly, I get fed up of cameras zooming up Wenger's nostrils during the latest Arsenal-In-Crisis.
 
Trizy said:
What's this about decline? Has anyone actually watched them other than el classico? The system he's in does not suit him and being played as a Cf/St doesn't help either.

£50m price tag: He'll win us the league if we sign him, that's a cheap title price.
Big wages: they'll pay themselves through new sponsors.
Stick him on the wing and he'll score 30 goals at least in all competitions which we can't say the same about Memphis whose been shite or Young who is shite.
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I've watched near enough every Madrid game this season. He's been shite in most of them, his overall performance is no worse than usual but his finishing has declined.
 
Bob Loblaw said:
I've watched near enough every Madrid game this season. He's been shite in most of them, his overall performance is no worse than usual but his finishing has declined.
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That's generally the last part to go on a player in decline, he's just going through some poor form and will be back. He holds the title for best player in the world because he was on fire last season and the way people are talking on here to he's done after 3 months into the season is laughable.
 
Trizy said:
What's this about decline? Has anyone actually watched them other than el classico? The system he's in does not suit him and being played as a Cf/St doesn't help either.

£50m price tag: He'll win us the league if we sign him, that's a cheap title price.
Big wages: they'll pay themselves through new sponsors.
Stick him on the wing and he'll score 30 goals at least in all competitions which we can't say the same about Memphis whose been shite or Young who is shite.
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Ancelotti built a system around CR. He doesn't play winger no more as he lost the ability to get past defenders and dribble regularly. That's why he's more of a poacher nowadays. Are you fine with paying a huge fee and building a team around a 31 year old at decline? Something PSG are fine with.
 
Trizy said:
That's generally the last part to go on a player in decline, he's just going through some poor form and will be back. He holds the title for best player in the world because he was on fire last season and the way people are talking on here to he's done after 3 months into the season is laughable.
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On fire in terms of finishing, sure. His goals made up for his general play last season though. Over 90 minutes his impact is as minimal this season as it was last, he just hasn't had the same amount of goals to cover it up.
 
Bob Loblaw said:
On fire in terms of finishing, sure. His goals made up for his general play last season though. Over 90 minutes his impact is as minimal this season as it was last, he just hasn't had the same amount of goals to cover it up.
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I'd rather him be missing for 80 minutes on the pitch and score a hattrick than watching some of the shifts that have been put in at LW for us this season.
 
Adisa said:
First PSG fan I've seen on the Caf. Welcome.
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Thanks.

I don't understand those of you who wouldn't like Ronaldo. It's not like passing on him would allow you to get Neymar and Müller.
 
BBRBB said:
Thanks.

I don't understand those of you who wouldn't like Ronaldo. It's not like passing on him would allow you to get Neymar and Müller.
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I think it has to do with the amount which would be required to get him. If we get him and get shot of Rooney then it makes great sense else we could easily have two players on extremely large salaries and long comtracrs but on a downward spiral.

Would rather go for some up and coming talent. Griezmann would do nicely I feel.
 
I understand that, I just think that the top clubs have way too much money to spend compared to the number of elite players available on the market and Utd will need a few of these to get back where they think they belong in the hierarchy.

Even foreseeing a decline from Ronaldo he won't be out of the top 10 players in the world anytime soon. Somehow I don't see Perez allowing him to leave, but if he did it would be crazy not to jump on the opportunity.
 
BBRBB said:
I understand that, I just think that the top clubs have way too much money to spend compared to the number of elite players available on the market and Utd will need a few of these to get back where they think they belong in the hierarchy.

Even foreseeing a decline from Ronaldo he won't be out of the top 10 players in the world anytime soon. Somehow I don't see Perez allowing him to leave, but if he did it would be crazy not to jump on the opportunity.
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Well said, exactly my sentiments.

So what if Ronaldo declined a little, he'd go from one of the best ever to one of the best currently, which is more than can be said for a lot of our players or our record signing who came and left.
 
I don't buy the PSG rumours. Ronaldo has always said we would be the only club he would consider should he ever leave Real Madrid And I do believe him too, it's obvious he holds our club close to him. I'm certain if there's even a sniff he's avaliable then woodward will be wetting himself to get him back here and from the boards point of view he would be a huge money maker still. Not to mention the lift it would give everyone associated with the club.


The way people are talking it's like he's declined rooney style but he's still one of the best players in the world and I'd welcome him back here in a shot and I'm sure when he's scored a few goals for us those doubting him will suddenly become his number 1 fan again.
 
Varun said:
Real are up against Barcelona in Spain. So is Ronaldo. No PL team is anywhere close to that level..
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And the team he would play for would be nowhere near Madrid's level either which sets off that gap.

steve9 said:
PSG wins the league anyway. But for a team with big ambitions he can only crush that team. He never played any defence in his life. Which was never an issue. But it will become an issue when his offence starts to decline. And then a team falls apart. Has happened before.
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It won't affect their ability to win the title, but it will gain them a lot in terms of global appeal which I imagine they're desperately seeking which is usually a case for these moneybag clubs without European history.
 
He doesn't like Benitez and is stropping and playing half assed because of it.

When they sack him and bring back ancelotti he will suddenly go back to his top form again.
 
Would take him in an instant personally. I don't care about the size of the potential financial packages, that's for the club to justify to themselves. I believe all that matters is whether we would be improved with him in our team, and I am finding it very difficult to imagine how we wouldn't be. Martial up front, Mata on right, and CR on the left looks pretty damn good to me, and he would definitely give us more of an physical threat up front.
I think many have overlooked how good he is at defending the near post from opposition set pieces, or how good he would be at getting on the end of ours?

People are knocking his finishing of late, but jeez, his standards have been off the chart. Anyone expecting 40 goals from him over here might be pushing it, but i fail to see how he would score less than Rooney, even from a wide position. He is a far better finisher than Rooney still, and he will still create plenty of opportunities for himself, which he also has over Rooney. If this is Ronaldo in decline, i'd hate to think how Rooney's form of the last couple of seasons would be defined.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
And the team he would play for would be nowhere near Madrid's level either which sets off that gap.


It won't affect their ability to win the title, but it will gain them a lot in terms of global appeal which I imagine they're desperately seeking which is usually a case for these moneybag clubs without European history.
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We wouldn't need to be at Madrid's level to beat off city or arsenal. Hell, we are ahead of them with Lingard, Memphis or Young playing on the left. Put Ronaldo there instead and we'd be laughing our way to the title.
 
Varun said:
We wouldn't need to be at Madrid's level to beat off city or arsenal. Hell, we are ahead of them with Lingard, Memphis or Young playing on the left. Put Ronaldo there instead and we'd be laughing our way to the title.
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My point is that we not being up against a Barcelona is negated by the fact that we aren't as good as Madrid (and won't be even if he comes). So, that logic I see here often is inherently flawed. Btw, Madrid were leading last season (which we aren't), and 3/4 points is a big deal in la liga, and they still didn't win the league. Just goes to show that nothing is guaranteed in football.
 
Sassy Colin said:
The thing about not bringing titles, 1 in 8 years, is fair enough, but their rival has been Barcelona.

There is no such rival in the EPL, but 1 player could give a team the edge, like RvP did.
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Well, Barcelona and Atletico Madrid. Altetico has won as many league titles as Real during the time Cristiano has been there. Which shows that hardly Barca were unbeatable for the entire time, and that Real should have done better.

Also, while it is undoubdetly true that no team in EPL is on the level of Barca, we aren't on the level of Real Madrid. So, it is far from certain that Cristiano would secure as titles.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
My point is that we not being up against a Barcelona is negated by the fact that we aren't as good as Madrid (and won't be even if he comes). So, that logic I see here often is inherently flawed. Btw, Madrid were leading last season (which we aren't), and 3/4 points is a big deal in la liga, and they still didn't win the league. Just goes to show that nothing is guaranteed in football.
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How is it negated? We are already as good as the other teams competing for the title while playing players that aren't half as good as him. Adding a top 3-5 player in the world who is head and shoulders ahead of any player in the league does make us heavy favorites. There are no guarantees but Ronaldo in the current PL playing for us is as close as it gets. Real on the other hand, can't match their competitors for the title even with him in the team. Entirely different story.
 
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Varun said:
How is it negated? We are already as good as the other teams competing for the title while playing players that aren't half as good as him. Adding a top 3-5 player in the world who is head and shoulders ahead of any player in the league does make us heavy favorites. There are no guarantees Ronaldo in the current PL playing for us is as close as it gets. Real on the other hand, can't match their competitors for the title even with him in the team. Entirely different story.
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I agree, Barca are head and shoulders above anyone in the PL. But how good they are in their league has absolutely no bearing on our capacity to win our own PL. Add Ronaldo to our current team, and i struggle to see how he wouldn't give us a genuine advantage over our current rivals.
 
Varun said:
How is it negated? We are already as good as the other teams competing for the title while playing players that aren't half as good as him. Adding a top 3-5 player in the world who is head and shoulders ahead of any player in the league does make us heavy favorites. There are no guarantees Ronaldo in the current PL playing for us is as close as it gets. Real on the other hand, can't match their competitors for the title even with him in the team. Entirely different story.
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Can't be said with certainty at this stage of the season. We finished last season far behind the leaders last season. If we end up 6-7 points behind this season we'd have a fair bit of work to do even if it's an improvement over last season. I'll wait and see how this season pans out before being able to say we're already as good as any team in England.

The whole guaranteeing thing is really over the top and neglects the team aspect. If we win the title this season or almost do, and you put peak Messi/Ronaldo/zidane into our team of course we become big favourites. On the other hand, if we finish 7 behind city, we sign 31 year old and not 25 year old Ronaldo, and they hire guardiola, is the league really guaranteed? I don't think so.
 
Brown Toothpick said:
Ancelotti built a system around CR. He doesn't play winger no more as he lost the ability to get past defenders and dribble regularly. That's why he's more of a poacher nowadays. Are you fine with paying a huge fee and building a team around a 31 year old at decline? Something PSG are fine with.
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We have built a team around Rooney, whose heights don't even reach anywhere near the level of Ronaldo's current decline. If building a team around CR makes us better, then why not? I believe if you build a team around one player than they have to produce week in week out. Ronaldo has produced for Madrid at an almost unprecedented level for years, Rooney can't produce despite having the team built around him, so how could having CR instead of Rooney somehow be worse?

Fees are for the club to worry about, all fans need concern themselves with is whether or not the signings they make improve the team. So disregarding any financial considerations, Ronaldo for Rooney surely makes us a far better team however we look at it.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Can't be said with certainty at this stage of the season. We finished last season far behind the leaders last season. If we end up 6-7 points behind this season we'd have a fair bit of work to do even if it's an improvement over last season. I'll wait and see how this season pans out before being able to say we're already as good as any team in England.

The whole guaranteeing thing is really over the top and neglects the team aspect. If we win the title this season or almost do, and you put peak Messi/Ronaldo/zidane into our team of course we become big favourites. On the other hand, if we finish 7 behind city, we sign 31 year old and not 25 year old Ronaldo, and they hire guardiola, is the league really guaranteed? I don't think so.
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Consistency wins the league more often than simply defining who has the most quality. It's arguable who has the most quality within our top teams, but it is obvious who was the most consistent last season. Arsenal and City have lots of quality up front, but are still inconsistent when it comes to getting results. We are ahead of them both so far on merit, so even if you believe their quality is superior, it has to be noted that their respective inconsistency has negated that extra quality, and has still left them currently behind us in the league. As you suggest that could change as the season progresses, but based upon what we have seen so far it could just as easily not. Ronaldo would add goals to our team, -which is currently our main weakness- so i think it's reasonable to suggest our general level of consistency would only be improved by Ronaldo adding significantly to our goal threat.
 
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