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Cristiano Ronaldo - Performances (wums will be thread banned)
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I didn't expect that difference.
Real can rest him if they want to. They have been doing so during the season actually and they can afford to do it against the lesser teams. It's our first ever confederations cup, he'll want do be a part of it and the more games the team plays together the better we'll be by the time the World Cup comes around. I know it's not very prestigious but I'd love to win the Confederations Cup.
I think Neville's statement is inaccurate. Ronaldo only became a complete poacher in the last 2 years. I think he merged goal scoring and wide play to perfection, from 2010-2012.
Completely agree, actually I think the best version of Ronaldo were his first 2 years at Madrid. He still had the magic that he had with us and was an incredibly deadly goal machine pretty much from anywhere in the pitch.
He slowly lost that Manchester magic in the years after but in compensation he became even deadlier.
CR wasn't at his best in these seasons (mostly due to injuries) whereas LR was supposed to be at his best when Bierhoff outscored him. Nice try though.
His most spectacular season where he could decide games with individual action were 06/07, 08/09 and at Madrid his 11/12 season. The problem with Ronaldo at his peak was his decision making and his reduced effectiveness in compact spaces which is why despite still scoing, his overalll performance was drastically reduced, especially against side backs that were faster than him. He also shot too many times a game and his shooting effectiveness was probably one of the worst in terms of top attacking conversions. That has improved markedly through his better decsion making.
Ironically, both he and Madrid are having a renaissance through less of his intervention and applying himself in the final 3rd of the pitch. He also makes better decisions now, as you usually do with age and experience and to accomodate the physical decline. His on the ball skills have drastically reduced but he has dedicated himself almost exclusively to intervening in the final 3rd be it crossing or finishing off team moves. I actually think he is a better strategist now than when he was younger and more mobile.
It is worth noting that his big game performances have actually improved in his latter years which is truly astounding.
He is an example for aspiring footballers because he does not have the intuitive and instinctual genius of a Lionel Messi, Pele, Maradona or Lord Cruijff, but through learned behaviour he has pushed himself to maximise his talent, probably moreso than any forward in the game.
Except Ronaldo de Lima played as the #10 for Inter and wasn't the main #9. Also that was the most defensive era in Serie A histry where teams played 3 at the back and 2-3 Mediano's so playmakers like Totti, Zidane and R9 where surrounded by almost 3 players when they got the ball. Everything was played in a bottleneck till Mazzone decided to put Andrea Pirlo as the regista in the opposite end. Also, tackling from behind was allowed back then.
The game is geared towards attacking players now more than any era in the history of the game. Using R9's Serie tally when he wasn't even the #9 shows that you never watched him in his prime and you never watched any Serie A games back then.
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Nailed on the equal Messi with 5 Ballon d'Ors now.
He was comparing R9's figures with Bierhoff, are you suggesting teams are more defensive against Inter than whoever Bierhoff played for?
Are teams more defensive against Ronaldo/Messi than they are Darren Bent?
Bierhoff was at the end of team moves, R9 was the main creator for Inter and was essentially the trequartista. Inter played with a 5412 formation irrc. As I said R9 wasn't a striker at Inter and would drop deep into mf to get the ball because the centre and back were packed by usually 8 players as 532/341 was the tactic used to limit the effect of the fantasistis in each team. A more apt comparison (but would be daft because of the different profiles) would be to compare R9 in Serie A to Zidane, Rui Costa, Dejan Savićević and Totti.
Look at his supporting cast as well. Ronaldo de Lima in his prime in this current Madrid or Barcelona would get 60 goals based on the relative talent accumulation both these clubs have.
Now you're just inventing things to make R9 look great, he has never ever played as deep as any of those players you mentioned.
Again, he had to drop deep to retrieve the ball from midfield because. I suggest you actually go and watch a match from that era.
I don't need to make R9 look great. He is already regarded by a lot of people as the greatest #9 (Which I happen to disagree with, but a story for another day). Djorkaeff and Zamorana were his attacking partners, let that sink in...
It's amusing seeing Ronaldo score so many goals.
It is utterly bizarre that many MUFC fans on this forum, for the last 2-3 seasons, stated that they wouldn't want Ronaldo in our team.
The guy is a goal machine, and we can't score goals - these 2 facts have been constant during the last 2-3 seasons. So, a fan who doesn't want us to buy a goal machine, either isn't a MUFC fan or knows little about the objective of a football match (ie. score goals).
He is fantastic player and can lay claim to GOAT.
Some guy earlier in this thread was saying he was top 15, while Messi is top 3
It is utterly bizarre that many MUFC fans on this forum, for the last 2-3 seasons, stated that they wouldn't want Ronaldo in our team.
The guy is a goal machine, and we can't score goals - these 2 facts have been constant during the last 2-3 seasons. So, a fan who doesn't want us to buy a goal machine, either isn't a MUFC fan or knows little about the objective of a football match (ie. score goals).
He is fantastic player and can lay claim to GOAT.
Some guy earlier in this thread was saying he was top 15, while Messi is top 3
It's amusing seeing Ronaldo score so many goals.
It is utterly bizarre that many MUFC fans on this forum, for the last 2-3 seasons, stated that they wouldn't want Ronaldo in our team.
The guy is a goal machine, and we can't score goals - these 2 facts have been constant during the last 2-3 seasons. So, a fan who doesn't want us to buy a goal machine, either isn't a MUFC fan or knows little about the objective of a football match (ie. score goals).
He is fantastic player and can lay claim to GOAT.
Some guy earlier in this thread was saying he was top 15, while Messi is top 3
I love Ronaldo but I find some of the opinions of why people don't want him here legit.
The club needs to think about the future and Ronaldo is already 32. He has probably another good 2 or 3 seasons left in his bag and that's it. If you think about his wage and price alone, I don't think its worth it. Specially taking in consideration that we need to build a team for the future and he costs way too much.
With that said, he is still a major improvement to any team in the world
Totally agree. Last season he was doing good at the beginning of the season and seemed to be fading away towards the very end (like from May onwards) which is fine as we won the UCL and he went with his country and won Euros. However this season has been the contrary, at the beginning he wasn't even playing as he missed pre-season and arrived injured and his contribution had been okayish so far (even underwhelming by his own standards) but if keeps up like last 2 games against Bayern with the most crucial games ahead I will be delighted and consider him the best player this season if he contributes for the team winning the UCL and/or league; that's all I really care about.
He will win it lol even if he has no influence in the semi-final or final and RM win the CL he'll win the Ballon D'or. As along as him or Messi score 40 goals a season and win one major title the Ballon D'or goes to them.
My expectations for the Confederations would be more to experience some new players and to play a little bit without pressure, and without Pepe because he is injured maybe it would not be bad to try something new, but you are right, Santos is conservative and we will play with the same players.
At least next time I hope that he puts Bernardo Silva instead Quaresma.
It does seem like a strong probability no ?
You make it sound like Cristiano plays like Pippo Inzaghi.
Djorkaeff and Zamorano, are they really worse players than Benzema?
If Juventus shut them out in the semis like they did Barca.....is he really nailed on for a fifth Ballon d'Or? Otherwise it's pretty much gonna be a 2007 Kaka kind of win in that he'll be getting rewarded for this CL goals as opposed to overall play. Other than than five goals against Bayern, which is clearly amazing, despite whatever luck swung stuff in Reals favour, he's not been Reals best player this year, would he even crack the top 3 for them, forget the world on this years performances alone?
Ballon d'Or be interesting if Juventus do get them in the semis and blank them. Wouldn't be surprised to see Buffon nick it as a career thing more than anything....
Ballon d'Or be interesting if Juventus do get them in the semis and blank them. Wouldn't be surprised to see Buffon nick it as a career thing more than anything....
We have a number of prospects set for the future, we can still buy for the future but we're Manchester United and we play to win titles so we aren't solely about the future, we are about the here and now! He isn't coming back but him and a couple more signings, that's probably 2 or 3 titles over the next 4 years guaranteed.
I'm afraid that's bullshit. Come off your high horse and tell me who was Inter's main striker that season (97-98). Hint: check up the facts before answering.
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Great player. Will never be a fan, but he is a legend of the game.
Nowadays, he becomes less & less influential in general play. You can compare to Zlatan but as the other poster put it, Ronaldo would cost a hefty fee while Zlatan is free agent. Ronaldo himself would want his future secured so you can't offer him year to year contract the way Zlatan does with us. Any 3+ year contract for him now is very risky for the club.It's amusing seeing Ronaldo score so many goals.
It is utterly bizarre that many MUFC fans on this forum, for the last 2-3 seasons, stated that they wouldn't want Ronaldo in our team.
The guy is a goal machine, and we can't score goals - these 2 facts have been constant during the last 2-3 seasons. So, a fan who doesn't want us to buy a goal machine, either isn't a MUFC fan or knows little about the objective of a football match (ie. score goals).
He is fantastic player and can lay claim to GOAT.
Some guy earlier in this thread was saying he was top 15, while Messi is top 3
Unlike Zlatan who can hold up play up front, Ronaldo prefers staying wide which means building the team around him is harder. You have to build a team playing the ball on the ground. A decoy central forward to occupy the opposition defender. Top left back who can hold his own on entire left flank...
Ronaldo is much better than Zlatan, the comparison is futile.
If it is not Ronaldo one more time, who will be ?
that is the big if, mate...actually, what made Barca could not score against Juventus because all of their attackers only superb playing the low ball...no aerial threat at all from MSN...it will be different game against Madrid...
CR7, Benz, Bale...not mentioned Ramos...And dont forget 2 wingers : Marcelo and Carvajal, is technically sound to attack and cross the ball.
And i still can not understand, why oh why Enrique benched Mascherano...at least put him in the Midle to shack Juve's attack...
If Juve applies Zone Marking like last night, they will get murdered by long range shooting of Madrid Players like Kroos or Modric...
Just my 2 cents, mate...
that is the big if, mate...actually, what made Barca could not score against Juventus because all of their attackers only superb playing the low ball...no aerial threat at all from MSN...it will be different game against Madrid...
CR7, Benz, Bale...not mentioned Ramos...And dont forget 2 wingers : Marcelo and Carvajal, is technically sound to attack and cross the ball.
And i still can not understand, why oh why Enrique benched Mascherano...at least put him in the Midle to shack Juve's attack...
If Juve applies Zone Marking like last night, they will get murdered by long range shooting of Madrid Players like Kroos or Modric...
Just my 2 cents, mate...
The current Ronaldo is better in a team who has a strong backbone. However, for a team who struggle with stability, he is more trouble than help compare to Zlatan. Ronaldo plays in a position where normally would require more creativity & defensive work, but nowadays become less & less involved like a no 9.
Can be easily explained when seeing Madrid's QF opponents over the years. The likes of APOEL and Galatasaray and Wolfsburg are there.
I would hope so!
Well, yes. Duh. Bierhoff btw had one elite skill: he was unstoppable in the air. All you had to do was cross it into the box and he'd score. Won a fairly average milan side the title the following season...
We're not talking about some scrub here
Nowadays he doesYou make it sound like Cristiano plays like Pippo Inzaghi.
Yes
R9 was literally a one man team that season. Comparable to Cristiano in 2009/10 for real madrid, but with worse players around him
It's amazing how only 3 and a half minutes of that 18 minute video of all his CL goals is with United. Wonder how much more we would have won with him still here.
More Premier League trophies that's for sure. Probably another CL before SAF retired. I would have prefered he stayed at United but i understood his wish to prove himself in another league and club. But the most important issue is...would have Moyes won the league with Ronaldo? One of lifes big questions and certainly an interesting debate.
That's very interesting how he can goal hang and at the same time have more assists than Messi this season.
Gary Neville thinks Ronaldo's best years were spent at United, surely nobody else can agree with this? Sure he was incredible for us but Real Madrid has taken him to another level entirely.
no
They were different players. He was more exciting and more dynamic for us but he turned into an efficient monster of a player for Madrid. Best Ronaldo? Madrid no question for me.
I think he's speaking aesthetically/entertainment wise - which I agree with. The best Ronaldo, however, is of course the one at Real.
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