Cristiano Ronaldo - Performances (wums will be thread banned)

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That's very interesting how he can goal hang and at the same time have more assists than Messi this season.
Most of his assits are square passes. Messi plays far deeper and is actually is involve in the construction of almost all his teams attacks. He has the highest through ball rate in Europe and watch his pre assits rate as well. Apples and oranges.

I wouldn't say Ronaldo goal hangs but his intervention is far closer to the box and he either finishes or gives a square pass.

This is where the eye test comes in.
 
More Premier League trophies that's for sure. Probably another CL before SAF retired. I would have prefered he stayed at United but i understood his wish to prove himself in another league and club. But the most important issue is...would have Moyes won the league with Ronaldo? One of lifes big questions and certainly an interesting debate.

Did Moyes Manchester Unite create enough goal scoring chances? Funny enough, the ridiculous amount of crossing done under Moyes might have actually benefitted Ronaldo as he is the most variable goal scorer I have seen in terms of the kind of service he can score from regularly.
 
Most of his assits are square passes. Messi plays far deeper and is actually is involve in the construction of almost all his teams attacks. He has the highest through ball rate in Europe and watch his pre assits rate as well. Apples and oranges.

I wouldn't say Ronaldo goal hangs but his intervention is far closer to the box and he either finishes or gives a square pass.

This is where the eye test comes in.
Pre-assists? There's nowhere some people will not go to discredit Cristiano. :rolleyes:
 
Pre-assists? There's nowhere some people will not go to discredit Cristiano. :rolleyes:

In what way am in trying to discredit him? I made a comment on the reason that Ronaldo has more assists. Its understandable if you watch them play. Almost all of Ronaldo's assits are square passes.

As for the pre assists, Messi gets the ball, plates a through ball to a wide player who then does a square pass to the attacker in the box. It's from completely different areas and as I said, apples and oranges.

Pedro rodriguez got the same number of assits in the 2010/2011 season. What does that indicate? Is he as creative as Iniesta?
 


Great player. Will never be a fan, but he is a legend of the game.


What a truly ridiculous player. Unbelievable what he's done.

Its funny how many of those goals come in clusters against the same team.

Roma, Schalke, Ajax Dortmund etc fans must be absolutely sick of the sight of him. :lol:
 
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That's very interesting how he can goal hang and at the same time have more assists than Messi this season.
Because of Real Madrid's playing style. Most of those assists are simple passes to a teammate in a better position to score. And even playing like Inzaghi he's still better than Inzaghi ever was. He's basically RVN, with worse overall play, similar scoring rates and a few rare times, the ability to turn back the clock and send an inch-perfect cross into the box or beat a man and create something out of nothing. This happens very rarely nowadays. His biggest quality right now is his aerial dominance
 
Because of Real Madrid's playing style. Most of those assists are simple passes to a teammate in a better position to score. And even playing like Inzaghi he's still better than Inzaghi ever was. He's basically RVN, with worse overall play, similar scoring rates and a few rare times, the ability to turn back the clock and send an inch-perfect cross into the box or beat a man and create something out of nothing. This happens very rarely nowadays. His biggest quality right now is his aerial dominance

You mean Ronaldo right? :lol:
 
You mean Ronaldo right? :lol:
Yes. I watch him every week, his overall game is really, really bad. Passing the ball to him outside the box essentially means losing the ball these days. Performances like the one at the Allianz against Bayern have been few and far between over the last two seasons

I mean, even the other day, he was our worst player on the pitch by far and the biggest reason why we were so bad in the second half....

AND THEN HE SCORED :lol:
 
Yes. I watch him every week, his overall game is really, really bad. Passing the ball to him outside the box essentially means losing the ball these days. Performances like the one at the Allianz against Bayern have been few and far between over the last two seasons

I mean, even the other day, he was our worst player on the pitch by far and the biggest reason why we were so bad in the second half....

AND THEN HE SCORED :lol:


This - his overall play is......
 
You guys are overreacting. I thought his overall play was good with some very nice one touches with Benz. Also the French guy is severely underrated.
 
Yes. I watch him every week, his overall game is really, really bad. Passing the ball to him outside the box essentially means losing the ball these days.

He doesn't lose the ball outside the box often though, he just generally doesn't do much with it. Just gets the ball and makes the easy pass or ends up getting fouled. His passing percentage is over 80%. His first touch is still brilliant, his decision making is good and although he doesn't do it as often he can still get past a defense by combining with his teammates. Him and Marcelo are usually playing 2 v 3 in the left and they always cause danger. His crossing is still great and he plays a good through ball once in a while. He does a lot more outside of the box than someone like Inzaghi used to do even at his prime. Calling him a poacher just because the best part of his game is inside the box isn't really painting the whole picture imo. His overall game is far from being really bad unless you're comparing him to all time greats at their peak.
 
He doesn't lose the ball outside the box often though, he just generally doesn't do much with it. Just gets the ball and makes the easy pass or ends up getting fouled. His passing percentage is over 80%. His first touch is still brilliant, his decision making is good and although he doesn't do it as often he can still get past a defense by combining with his teammates. Him and Marcelo are usually playing 2 v 3 in the left and they always cause danger. His crossing is still great and he plays a good through ball once in a while. He does a lot more outside of the box than someone like Inzaghi used to do even at his prime. Calling him a poacher just because the best part of his game is inside the box isn't really painting the whole picture imo. His overall game is far from being really bad unless you're comparing him to all time greats at their peak.
Agree. A bit of hyperbole regarding his decline in here. Strange timing, too...
 
While he maybe is not a game creator, he's scoring records are incredible. Let's put a bit of perspective:
He has scored 100 goals in champions. More (or equal) than:

- Seville, 49 goals.
- Celtic, 56 goals.
- Lazio 66.
- Werder Bremen 69
- Deportivo 74

- Manchester city 81

- Scahlke 83
- OM 84
- Benfica 98
- Roma 98
- Atlético de Madrid 100

Fairly impressive.
 
He doesn't lose the ball outside the box often though, he just generally doesn't do much with it. Just gets the ball and makes the easy pass or ends up getting fouled. His passing percentage is over 80%.
He does lose the ball quite a bit and most of his passes are easy lay-offs. Still, the biggest problem is that he lets defenders anticipate him all the time. It feels like passing the ball to him during build-up and transition 2 times out of 3 means losing the ball
His first touch is still brilliant
It's actually quite erratic, though it's his second touch that's really the problem
his decision making is good
Should be better honestly. Kills off a lot of our counter-attacking opportunities by trying to run at defenders when he doesn't have the pace and skill to do that anymore
and although he doesn't do it as often he can still get past a defense by combining with his teammates.
True. His best moments come when he can play quick one-touch one-two combinations(usually with the underrated Benzema, who is vital to our build-up)
Him and Marcelo are usually playing 2 v 3 in the left and they always cause danger.
Not really. He rarely occupies the flank nowadays.
His crossing is still great and he plays a good through ball once in a while.
Yeah
He does a lot more outside of the box than someone like Inzaghi used to do even at his prime.
Wonder how many people actually saw/remember enough of Inzaghi. He wasn't great but he wasn't this mythical being that only scored goals and nothing else. People mix him up with Bacca...
Calling him a poacher just because the best part of his game is inside the box isn't really painting the whole picture imo. His overall game is far from being really bad unless you're comparing him to all time greats at their peak.
He IS a poacher. If you take away the goals, right now you'd be left with an average player. If he didn't score as much as he does and wasn't the big game player that he is, he couldn't start for a big team, he doesn't offer nearly enough outside of goals for that

And this season he isn't even scoring at his usual otherwordly rates. But he's still Cristiano, and you know he's still going to show up big time when the team needs him. Case in point, the hat-tricks against wolfsburg and atletico, and the 5 goals in two legs vs bayern
 
That's very interesting how he can goal hang and at the same time have more assists than Messi this season.

Unless you're focusing on CL alone, he doesn't.


2016/17 (club level)

Cristiano
38 apps, 31 goals, 11 assists in all comps
- La Liga: 24-19-6
- Copa: 2-1-0
- UCL: 10-7-5
- CWC: 2-4-0

Messi
45 apps, 45 goals, 14 assists in all comps
- La Liga: 28-29-8
- Copa: 6-4-2
- UCL: 9-11-2
- SSC: 2-1-2


At Champs Lge level generally Cristiano does have more assists than Messi and a slightly better average as well -- although he does not hold the all-time record as I've often seen people stating this season; he's some way off Giggs still.
Messi has 25 in 115 games : 0.22 apg.
Cristiano has 34 in 140 games : 0.24 apg.
 
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In the grand scheme of things, comparisons are irrelevant.
 
I think he's been doing good enough outside the box in fact the assists I've seen from him aren't 'easy passes' like some are claming; he's also a good crosser and put's nice passes when he is in the flanks, but you know he can't cross the ball to himself and when someone doesn't score from a pass from him is quite often overlooked. Overall I think he's doing what he's supposed to do given the way we play; he often is our more advance man on the field and when he gets the ball he would have to delay the play in order to wait for teammates to support him so I think it's best to play an easy pass and immediately try to accommodate himself in the box; if not so then he should try to beat his man and go for the goal on his own. Of course he can fail but I think that's the way he's supposed to play nowadays with our set up and letting someone like Modric or Kroos do the elaboration, although I'm still missing Bale as I like how he and Ronaldo play together.
 
He does lose the ball quite a bit and most of his passes are easy lay-offs. Still, the biggest problem is that he lets defenders anticipate him all the time. It feels like passing the ball to him during build-up and transition 2 times out of 3 means losing the ball

It's actually quite erratic, though it's his second touch that's really the problem

Should be better honestly. Kills off a lot of our counter-attacking opportunities by trying to run at defenders when he doesn't have the pace and skill to do that anymore

True. His best moments come when he can play quick one-touch one-two combinations(usually with the underrated Benzema, who is vital to our build-up)

Not really. He rarely occupies the flank nowadays.

Yeah

Wonder how many people actually saw/remember enough of Inzaghi. He wasn't great but he wasn't this mythical being that only scored goals and nothing else. People mix him up with Bacca...

He IS a poacher. If you take away the goals, right now you'd be left with an average player. If he didn't score as much as he does and wasn't the big game player that he is, he couldn't start for a big team, he doesn't offer nearly enough outside of goals for that

And this season he isn't even scoring at his usual otherwordly rates. But he's still Cristiano, and you know he's still going to show up big time when the team needs him. Case in point, the hat-tricks against wolfsburg and atletico, and the 5 goals in two legs vs bayern

I don't agree that he loses the ball often. I couldn't find any good stats to back it up but his general play seems just average to me now. It's not a negative for me and calling it 'very bad' is just being too harsh. When he gets the ball away from the area I don't feel the danger of a few years ago but I also don't feel like he's going to lose it. I also think Real's style doesn't help him in this regard, you'll create more danger with Modric and Kroos running the game, Carvajal and Marcelo on the flanks and Cristiano in the box than if he tries to come deep or to the wings and force things.

Counter attacks are definitely the part of his game where he has declined a lot. Which is to be expected.

He does come to the wings often though. More so on the left than on the right and not as often as before but that's because if he comes to the wing there's little threat in the middle. He still makes good combinations with the full backs whenever he does that though.

I couldn't find any numbers but I doubt Inzaghi had more assists in his whole time at Milan than Cristiano has in the last two seasons. I know assists are a bit of a weird stat and that Inzaghi was no Bacca but Cristiano still offers a lot more to the build up than Inzaghi used to.

If you take away any big team striker's goals, you'd be left with an average player that would definitely not start for that team. For me a poacher is a player with below average technique who's only on the pitch to put the ball in the net when it's inside the box. Cristiano's main strenght is exactly that but he offers other things outside of the box that poachers don't normally do. Maybe we're just seeing a poacher as different things. Out of the current strikers in football which ones would you call a poacher?
 
Unless you're focusing on CL alone, he doesn't.


2016/17 (club level)

Cristiano
38 apps, 31 goals, 11 assists in all comps
- La Liga: 24-19-6
- Copa: 2-1-0
- UCL: 10-7-5
- CWC: 2-4-0

Messi
45 apps, 45 goals, 14 assists in all comps
- La Liga: 28-29-8
- Copa: 6-4-2
- UCL: 9-11-2
- SSC: 2-1-2


At Champs Lge level generally Cristiano does have more assists than Messi and a slightly better average as well -- although he does not hold the all-time record as I've often seen people stating this season; he's some way off Giggs still.
Messi has 25 in 115 games : 0.22 apg.
Cristiano has 34 in 140 games : 0.24 apg.
I just went with the following links:

https://www.whoscored.com/Players/5583/Show/Cristiano-Ronaldo
https://www.whoscored.com/Players/11119/Show/Lionel-Messi

Which has Cristiano on 11, compared to Messi's 10.
 
I just went with the following links:

https://www.whoscored.com/Players/5583/Show/Cristiano-Ronaldo
https://www.whoscored.com/Players/11119/Show/Lionel-Messi

Which has Cristiano on 11, compared to Messi's 10.


Ah, they never count the assists for the cup and other comps (Copa del Rey, Spanish Super Cup, European Super Cup, Club World Cup).

Cristiano has 6+5 in league+CL and 0 in the other comps, Messi has 8+2 in league+CL and 4 in the other comps, so there you go.
 
I don't agree that he loses the ball often. I couldn't find any good stats to back it up but his general play seems just average to me now.
Let's just say he directly contributes to us losing the ball a lot. Way too much for real madrid

It's not a negative for me and calling it 'very bad' is just being too harsh.
It's really bad relative to our team and what we need from our strikers in that regard

When he gets the ball away from the area I don't feel the danger of a few years ago but I also don't feel like he's going to lose it.
I do. Him and Bale on the pitch together is incredibly frustrating at times

I also think Real's style doesn't help him in this regard, you'll create more danger with Modric and Kroos running the game, Carvajal and Marcelo on the flanks and Cristiano in the box than if he tries to come deep or to the wings and force things.
Erm...Cristiano plays the way he wants for us...

And Modric and Kroos do run the game, and marcelo and carvajal do attack the flanks, and cristiano does mainly occupy the box

Counter attacks are definitely the part of his game where he has declined a lot. Which is to be expected.
Which doesn't excuse him repeatedly making the wrong decision and losing the ball in those situations

He does come to the wings often though. More so on the left than on the right and not as often as before but that's because if he comes to the wing there's little threat in the middle. He still makes good combinations with the full backs whenever he does that though.
Of course he does. It's modern football. He can't afford to just stand still inside the box...

He plays like any other second striker

I couldn't find any numbers but I doubt Inzaghi had more assists in his whole time at Milan than Cristiano has in the last two seasons. I know assists are a bit of a weird stat and that Inzaghi was no Bacca but Cristiano still offers a lot more to the build up than Inzaghi used to.
Well, for one, Inzaghi wouldn't have made an assist for his grandmother. For another, Cristiano's still better than Inzaghi ever was. But it's not like Inzaghi didn't contribute outside of goals

If you take away any big team striker's goals, you'd be left with an average player that would definitely not start for that team.
Don't think i was clear. Point is, Cristiano does one thing at an elite level nowadays: scoring goals. He's about average at almost everything else, bar crossing. Compare for example with Lewandowski, or Suarez, or Higuain, players who contribute a lot more in possession, on top of scoring goals

For me a poacher is a player with below average technique who's only on the pitch to put the ball in the net when it's inside the box. Cristiano's main strenght is exactly that but he offers other things outside of the box that poachers don't normally do.
What you're describing is Carlos Bacca. There's a reason he left Sevilla for Milan instead of going to a big club...

Maybe we're just seeing a poacher as different things. Out of the current strikers in football which ones would you call a poacher?
Radamel Falcao, RVN, Cristiano(last two seasons)

Poachers are box killers who don't offer much outside the box on the ball and mostly play off the ball
 
Ah, they never count the assists for the cup and other comps (Copa del Rey, Spanish Super Cup, European Super Cup, Club World Cup).

Cristiano has 6+5 in league+CL and 0 in the other comps, Messi has 8+2 in league+CL and 4 in the other comps, so there you go.
The point remains though, some people talk as if Cristiano is a goal hanger who only scores tap-ins whilst Messi is this creative genius. The difference is minimal.
 
The point remains though, some people talk as if Cristiano is a goal hanger who only scores tap-ins whilst Messi is this creative genius. The difference is minimal.
Uhm, no. One guy is one of the 5 best creative players ever. The other at his best as a creator was a less creative hazard

Cristiano's greatest quality was always his ability to score and win games almost single-handedly. Nowadays he offers little else other than goals in the box
 
Uhm, no. One guy is one of the 5 best creative players ever. The other at his best as a creator was a less creative hazard

Cristiano's greatest quality was always his ability to score and win games almost single-handedly. Nowadays he offers little else other than goals in the box
Was it you who said he had a "shit game" scoring a hat-trick against Bayern in the CL QF?
 
Was it you who said he had a "shit game" scoring a hat-trick against Bayern in the CL QF?
I said he was having a shit game until he scored. Hard to score 3 goals and have a shit game

Which is something that happens regularly this season(and last season too)
 
I said he was having a shit game until he scored. Hard to score 3 goals and have a shit game

Which is something that happens regularly this season(and last season too)
You just seem incredibly harsh on your best player ever, you lot won't even have La Decima if it wasn't for him.
 
The point remains though, some people talk as if Cristiano is a goal hanger who only scores tap-ins whilst Messi is this creative genius. The difference is minimal.

It isn't.

Over their entire careers, in all comps (in the top flight) for both club & country

*Cristiano : 847 apps, 186 assists -- 0.22 assists per game
*Messi : 693 apps, 228 assists -- 0.33 assists per game

That's not a "minimal" difference.

Even then, just looking at assist stats doesn't even tell half the story when it comes to the subject of chance creation... Says nothing about the total volume of chances they create, the circumstances, quality or level of difficulty of the plays they invent, etc.
 
It isn't.

Over their entire careers, in all comps (in the top flight) for both club & country

*Cristiano : 847 apps, 186 assists -- 0.22 assists per game
*Messi : 693 apps, 228 assists -- 0.33 assists per game

That's not a "minimal" difference.

Even then, just looking at assist stats doesn't even tell half the story when it comes to the subject of chance creation... Says nothing about the total volume of chances they create, the circumstances, quality or level of difficulty of the plays they invent, etc.
I wasn't talking about assists over their career, I was directly responding to those people claiming Ronaldo does nothing but score goals this season.
 
You just seem incredibly harsh on your best player ever, you lot won't even have La Decima if it wasn't for him.

I also think is harsh but you could say he is held to pretty high and demanding standards which is fair but what is not fair is when those standards are only applied to him and then go and rate more a player of a team that just got out of the UCL in an embarrassingly manner. I think that's unfair and a tad ungrateful.
 
You just seem incredibly harsh on your best player ever, you lot won't even have La Decima if it wasn't for him.
I want my team to always be the best. And i don't think i'm harsh at all, just realistic. I watch every game and he's frustrating 90% of the time. But the other 10% he wins us games, so right now it's fine.

He's still one of the 10 best players in the world and he's still capable of performing at a higher level than any other player in the world except Messi, Neymar and Suarez, and he's still one of the three best big game players in the world

Btw, as for the CL wins, well sure, but that goes for every other player on those teams. We sold Di Maria(the glue that made the BBC work and our MOTM in the final) and won it again two years later
 
I want my team to always be the best. And i don't think i'm harsh at all, just realistic. I watch every game and he's frustrating 90% of the time. But the other 10% he wins us games, so right now it's fine.

He's still one of the 10 best players in the world and he's still capable of performing at a higher level than any other player in the world except Messi, Neymar and Suarez, and he's still one of the three best big game players in the world

Btw, as for the CL wins, well sure, but that goes for every other player on those teams. We sold Di Maria(the glue that made the BBC work and our MOTM in the final) and won it again two years later
I give up, you're entitled to your opinion, by even the most biased Messi/Barca fan will not call him one of the best 10 players in the world. At worst he's top 3 and most believe he is simply THE BEST, possibly ever.

I've seen most Real matches this season and whilst it was clear he started slow due to his injury in the Euro final and took some time to get going, he's still the main reason you lot are likely to win the league for the first time since Jose and have a good chance for La Duodecima
 
Real Madrid fans are so spoilt, no wonder some of the fans whistle him in the stadium. The man has just scored 5 goals in a Cl quarterfinal and people are busy talking about his regression
 
Don't think i was clear. Point is, Cristiano does one thing at an elite level nowadays: scoring goals. He's about average at almost everything else, bar crossing. Compare for example with Lewandowski, or Suarez, or Higuain, players who contribute a lot more in possession, on top of scoring goals

Hello, interesting perspective from Real Madrid fan. I truly respect your opinion.
I will write down my opinion on your perspective.

I may agree with you on he is not best at everything except scoring goals. But Cristiano's goal scoring level is not at elite but maximum level that no one ever reached before. This is how he scored 5 goals against great Bayern Munich side and how he is being your main man for last many years.
 
I want my team to always be the best. And i don't think i'm harsh at all, just realistic. I watch every game and he's frustrating 90% of the time. But the other 10% he wins us games, so right now it's fine.

He's still one of the 10 best players in the world and he's still capable of performing at a higher level than any other player in the world except Messi, Neymar and Suarez, and he's still one of the three best big game players in the world

Btw, as for the CL wins, well sure, but that goes for every other player on those teams. We sold Di Maria(the glue that made the BBC work and our MOTM in the final) and won it again two years later

:lol:
 
In the Bayern games alone (both legs of CL ad) there were plenty of chances created by Ronaldo. His off the ball movement and touches have been very good. Not just in attacking play, but defensively as well.
I wish everybody at Real Madrid agreed how bad Ronaldo is and shipped him off to some place like united.
Would love to watch him again in united colours.
 
Cant beleive i am reading hes in the top 10 players, christ hes 1 or 2 in the world and its just surely peoples preference who they like better out the 2, Neymar and Suarez are still a level down from them both for me, over the last couple season i would say hes turned in to more a poacher and not so bothered about the stuff outside the box, his play outside has got worse which is why people talk about regression but hes still as sharp as ever in the box which he makes up for his short comings. will go down as one of the all time greats and people should make the most of watching him every week.
 
I give up, you're entitled to your opinion, by even the most biased Messi/Barca fan will not call him one of the best 10 players in the world. At worst he's top 3 and most believe he is simply THE BEST, possibly ever.

I've seen most Real matches this season and whilst it was clear he started slow due to his injury in the Euro final and took some time to get going, he's still the main reason you lot are likely to win the league for the first time since Jose and have a good chance for La Duodecima

This is just a flat out lie. This is what I mean by propaganda. The while squad is the main reason that Madrid will win the league. Its very arguable Ramos has been more important than Ronaldo this season in the league. Almost every single actual Madridista I have met, the ones that actually go to the stadium, echo giorno's sentiment.

Madrid have been winning without him...

No serious football fan with any passing knowledge of the game can think Cristiano is the best footballer. One of the greatest, sure but actual best footballer, not a chance.

With regards to him CURRENTLY, he relies almost exclusively on team service which he gets in abundance at Real Madrid as the main focus point.

You and so said that the difference between Messi's creativity and Ronaldo's is marginal which leads me the conclude that you are too blinded by your admiration for him. Watching both players it is clear who has the better creativity and who the better passer is.
 
Sad thing is that if you had a random striker that would bang as much goals as he does or decides as much games as he does, people here would be praising him like he was the next big thing.
But since is Ronaldo its just better to say that the only thing he do can is score goals :wenger:
 
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