I guess we would have to to say that most contributions here are opinions, and that some opinions veer into FM fantacism.
Cristiano Ronaldo
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I guess we would have to to say that most contributions here are opinions, and that some opinions veer into FM fantacism.
Is that what happened here? Or did people try to discuss it from a financial perspective?
We clearly don't have unlimited money to spend, those that do talk about money say it because they'd rather see what is available spent on more pressing issues. Just because it isn't your money doesn't mean you shouldn't care what's being done with it.
A financial perspective relative to money that isn't theirs. Ok then. Knock yourself out.
I completely respect your opinion, though I disagree with it for the reasons Spoons, and maybe others, have outlined. To be pedantic for just a minute, I would take issue with your previous comment about SAF "clearly" wanting him back. Clearly he respects him, but as for his intentions, nothing is ever clear with SAF.
But as has been said, if SAF made the decision that Ronaldo was a special case and worth moving for, that would be good enough for me. I just dont see that happening. Time will tell.
I've seen you mention FM in other threads so I presume it's a bug bear of yours, but again I'm not sure what it has to do with discussing the potential financial aspects of something like this. If you boil it down that far none of us should even be posting here. We've got nothing beyond opinion and interpretation to offer.
Do you not sometimes think you're worrying about a financial situation that doesn't exist? i.e. if we sign Ronaldo we won't be able to sign a midfielder for the next 200 years.
And the fact that we bought RvP should dispel the idea that we only invest in young players. Fergie clearly doesn't see it that way.
Berbatov too.
Berbatov, Hargreaves, VDS and Veron should've dispelled that a long time ago.
I believe if Fergie feels he wants a player in a position that needs to be improved instantly, or that the player is good enough, he doesn't give two shites about age.
I view this as a no brainer from the perspective that no rational big club would turn down the chance to sign the 2nd best player in the world. And certainly no big club would turn down such a chance if the player himself wanted to join them.
I'm not really that worried about it, but it's worth thinking about. And if we did go out and buy Ronaldo as well as a center mid this summer then I'd have nothing to complain about. I assume we spend what is available to us and what makes financial sense. That doesn't mean that what makes financial sense aligns to what I think makes sense for the team.
I'll if I want to.
And again, it's a discussion whether it would make financial prudence. Is there any harm in discussing it from that perceptive since it's all conjecture now?
This is a forum, we discuss things here. Does any thing we talk here make any difference in the actual working of the club? People post line-ups in the match-day thread, does Fergie pick his line-ups based on them? Or does he pick his team based on the opinions here? If all this is so futile, why not just shut this bitch down?
Yeah, but at the same time, if we didn't have an unlimited budget, I'd much rather get a top class midfielder than bring him back. Wilshere (muppet mode again) would basically complete our team, and I think that's more important than getting another mega goalscorer (of which we already score a bucket load).
please let this happen.
Ronaldo is a complete professional like RVP. The whole package may work out to 100 million...so what.
A team with RVP, Ronaldo and Rooney will destroy any team including brcelona.
Ronaldo is a complete professional like RVP. The whole package may work out to 100 million...so what.
A team with RVP, Ronaldo and Rooney will destroy any team including brcelona.
You can't completely throw money out of the equation though. It's not a no brainer to spend 55m on a player who some think might only be as good as he is for another year or two. If you think he'll be very good beyond that then it makes more sense, but 55m is a lot of money and if you're on a budget that money could be used on more pressing squad issues.
I can see if we can have Ronaldo back next summer, Fergie will stay at least another couple of years just to enjoy putting CR on his teamsheet. That prospect alone is priceless to me.
Indeed. At least it is better than discussing the guilt/no guilt of Oscar pistorius without knowing any proper facts.
It was after the Berbs deal this young player policy was verbalised wasn't it? So those earlier examples aren't relevant. RVP is the exception, and the difference in that instance was price.
Any team that has 3 superstars like we would if this happens, would be a super money spiner.
we would easily make back many times that in the world market especially the US.
not mentioning we would beat practically every team.
we would easily make back many times that in the world market especially the US.
not mentioning we would beat practically every team.
Verbalized or not, even if we have a youth policy, there's nothing to say there won't be exception of a transformational player like Ronaldo were to become available.
Not getting you here, why aren't they relevant?
Just mean until after the Berbs deal we had no explicit policy of only buying "young players with resale value". But then we came out and said this was the way we would do things from now on. Since then we have made an exception to that rule - with RVP.
Before the Berbs deal we bought players young and old alike, as you said.
Before the Berbs deal we bought players young and old alike, as you said.
True, there could always be exceptions.
My issue with this deal - more accurately, my expectation of SAF's issue with it - isn't about age per se. It's price, relative to age. With RVP it was a good ratio (tho with the injury record I admit I was concerned there as well.) At £55m, I'm not sure that would be the case for Ronaldo.
A fair point, but how many top class midfielders are reasonably available? We can dream about Wilshere but it's just a dream to think he'd engineer a move to OT in the summer of 2013.
The squad we have now is just one fantastic player away from being the equal of Barcelona, and even then I might be the one who is dreaming. Ronaldo gets us much closer to Barcelona than Wilshere would, and the odds of Ronaldo moving to OT this summer than Wilshere.
If we could do both, I'd do both -- paying full respect to the retort that we're talking about other people's money (but what else are we supposed to do on an Internet forum but to opine on these kinds of issues?) -- but I certainly wouldn't rule out bringing in Ronaldo in the summer of 2013 because of a distant hope of getting Wilshere in the summer of 2014 or thereafter. And even then, if we do bring in Ronaldo it may actually increase the burning desire of Wilshere to leave the trophyless hellhole and come to OT.
Good business all the way around, if we can get it done.
It is amazing how since June of 2009 we have been having the exact same conversation about Ronaldo coming back and will likely keep having it until he either comes back or gets so far into retirement that the idea of him coming out of retirement to play for us will be beyond even our imaginations.
Rather then re-hash the entire debate, just will say it is my opinion that the chances are still kind of on the low side of him coming back to us this summer.
Rather then re-hash the entire debate, just will say it is my opinion that the chances are still kind of on the low side of him coming back to us this summer.
£55 million? Like a rat up a drain pipe.
Needs a much more credible source before I'd even care about it though.
Needs a much more credible source before I'd even care about it though.
Spoony is right. I like Ronaldo as much as the next Red, but he fecked off in his peak years and then realised things aren't all that rosy for him at Madrid. He'll never be revered there like he was here, yet we are supposed to go kow-towing to him, cap in hand, and beg for his return?
feck. That.
They wouldnt sell us a virus
We will probably need a winger pretty shortly anyway. If Valencia keeps struggling (if it is that his leg is shorter on one side, I don't see how that can change), we'll almost certainly need one.
Stop comparing Ronaldo with Henry. Ronaldo is an all time great.
And Henry isn't?
*EDIT: In fact, the comparisons with Henry are becoming more and more pertinent. Henry relied on his awesome physique for much of his career, pretty much the same way Ronaldo has. Ronaldo, admittedly, is a perfectionist and will always try to better himself, but so far, he's shown nothing in his game to suggest he can radically modify the way he plays to prolong his career at the very top.
I truly believe when he loses that yard of pace, it will be to the detriment of his game, which couldn't be said for the likes of Giggs and Bergkamp, to name two.
I'm glad I'm not the only one.
What an absurd reaction. I used Henry as an example because he was a top player who suddenly had a huge dip in performance because of a debilitating injury. Whether he's in the same class as Ronaldo is neither here nor there.
Oh come on Brwned are you really comparing Henry to Ronaldo? Wtf man?
It's not a direct comparison between the two players in terms of performance/ability but a comparison of situation.Even I can understand that
Besides, this constant Ronaldo obsession is being very disrespectful to the players we have here already. Give me van Persie and his infectious attitude any day over Cristiano "Only God Knows" Ronaldo. van Persie wants to be here and undoubtedly made some sacrifices to make it happen. Should Ronaldo force a move back to us, for a fee that's fair to us, and doesn't demand top-dollar wages, then maybe my attitude will change, but until then, I can take him or leave him.
To be fair this whole hypothetical situation presupposes that Ronaldo forces a move back to us, doesn't it? Otherwise he'll certainly end up somewhere else on much more money.
amazed anyone would find it absurd to compare henry with ronaldo. I've heard many nominate henry as the greatest player to ply his trade in the premier league.
Was Henry as mentally driven as Ronaldo?
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