David Cameron 'to vote against fox hunting ban'

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David Cameron has given his strongest indication yet that he would vote for a repeal of the ban on fox hunting, claiming that it had "made a mockery of the law".

The Conservatives have made no secret of the fact that they plan to allow a free vote on the issue if they win the next election. However, the Tory leader has been quiet on the subject as it is feared his support for hunting will play badly with metropolitan voters.

He said: "We will have a free vote in a new Parliament on whether to repeal the hunting ban.

"My own view is the hunting ban is a bad piece of legislation, it hasn't worked, it has made a mockery of the law, a lot of time was wasted on it, and I think we would be better off without it. That gives you a clue to how I will vote."

Mr Cameron was speaking at the Woodstock Literary Festival in Oxfordshire, where he was interviewed by Vernon Bogdanor, Professor of Government at Oxford University and the Tory leader's former tutor at Brasenose College.

He told the audience that he and his wife, Samantha, were hoping to have another child. Asked what he would do about Britain's rising population, he laughed: "I don't have any plans to reduce the population of Britain. I would quite like to add to it, possibly by one, at some stage in the future."

Mr Cameron made the surprising disclosure that the two greatest literary influences on his political career were socialists – George Orwell and Tony Benn.

"Obviously I read great tomes that have influenced other Conservatives. But the two books that particularly influenced me were actually written by Labour supporters," he said.

"One was 1984, and actually all the writings of George Orwell. He wrote brilliantly about the follies of the Left when taken to extremes.

"The other was Tony Benn's book, Arguments for Democracy, a very powerful book which makes the important point that we vest power in people who are elected and that we can get rid of, rather than those we can't.

"So what books made me a Conservative? One by Tony Benn and one by George Orwell."

Critics say the 'Big Brother' society envisioned by Orwell has become reality under the current government.

If he wins the next election, Mr Cameron said his own government would bring a new era of transparency to British politics.

"What the MPs' expenses sag has taught us is the importance of transparency of information," he said. "Transparency could be as powerful a Conservative idea as privatisation was."


Taking questions from the audience, Mr Cameron was asked whether he preferred facing Gordon Brown or Tony Blair at Prime Minister's Questions. He chose the latter on the basis that "the quality of jokes was better under Blair".

David Cameron 'to vote against fox hunting ban' - Telegraph

Well there's a surprise. :rolleyes:

I bet Cameron, Osbourne and the rest of the Old-Etonian Tory elite have been champing at the bit to bring their upper class bloodsport back into law.

Just a reminder of what we're dealing with....

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2, PM in waiting Cameron (you'll recognise number 8, as well)

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1, Chancellor in waiting Osbourne

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7, Osbourne again, this time on a Bullingdon club hunt

Can you imagine this pair running the country?
 
Atleast if Cameron was prime minister he'd have been voted in, this ballbag we have at the minute is a fecking high profile squatter.

Saying that, what's done with fox hunting is done. They should never have stopped it in the first place. Personally I'd be more endeared to Cameron if he came out and said something along the lines of the Gurkha's having the right to a proper military pension and more right's to live here. I'm going way off-topic.
 
To be expected, it is one of their "pledges".

Action and re-action, Labour originally followed its motives [not the cause of animal rights they like to pedal in many a MP's case], and the Tories are doing likewise.
 
Personally fox hunting doesn’t bother me either way. Farmers and landowners have to kill a certain number of foxes, and at least they have a chance of survival in a hunt compared to a professional hunter. I have followed a hunt because my sister was riding in it and most of the time they just ride around looking like prats and the foxes get the better of them.

I don’t see much point bringing fox hunting back now it has been banned though.
 
I bet Cameron, Osbourne and the rest of the Old-Etonian Tory elite have been champing at the bit to bring their upper class bloodsport back into law.

Just a reminder of what we're dealing with....

cameron-bullingdon-dining-club2_468x420.jpg

2, PM in waiting Cameron (you'll recognise number 8, as well)

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1, Chancellor in waiting Osbourne

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7, Osbourne again, this time on a Bullingdon club hunt

Can you imagine this pair running the country?

Only going to remind us how large a factor class was in this matter as opposed to animal rights.
 
If a very rare free vote in the Commons overturns the ban then fair enough, Labour had the opportunity to kill hunting off but it didn't take it as they wrote an atypical law of theirs full of vague terms and loopholes that we now have the situation where hunts are more well attended now, just as many foxes are getting killed and the authorities are not prosecuting.

It isn't something I get worked up about eitherway - I horse ride occasionally though would never ever go hunting - we have far too much to be worrying about and getting on with then continuously talk about fox hunting. Something that didn't endear me to the masses at private school in the west country who thought it was the biggest issue of our age, who suddenly discovered the existence of politics quite conveniently.
 
Tally Ho.

Lets give the oiks a black eye on this one chaps and then feast on stuffed swan to really show them.

Some sort of dinner club might be appropriate.
 
You vote for your MP and the party with a working majority of MP's chooses a Prime Minister amongst its ministers. You don't vote for a Prime Minister.

Not directly, but it is naive to think that people don't cast their votes with an eye on which party leader they want as PM.
 
Nevertheless, that is actually our electoral system, so people shouldn't cast lazy aspersions about legitimacy - and if they do, they should cast them about the likes of Lloyd George, Baldwin, Churchill, Callaghan and Major too.

Besides, it was common knowledge there was a good chance of Blair quitting in office, so anyone casting their vote presidentially was gambling.
 
I should add that it's also naive to think parties don't choose their leaders without an eye on whether they will attract the votes of the public.
 
Nevertheless, that is actually our electoral system, so people shouldn't cast lazy aspersions about legitimacy - and if they do, they should cast them about the likes of Lloyd George, Baldwin, Churchill, Callaghan and Major too.

Besides, it was common knowledge there was a good chance of Blair quitting in office, so anyone casting their vote presidentially was gambling.

Similar concerns were in fact voiced about Major, and Blair did actually promise he would serve a full third term.
 
The point is not whether people had similar concerns about Major. All sorts of people have all sorts of concerns about politicians. The question is whether the same people who are now bemoaning this non-existent crisis of legitimacy were doing so then - and do so retrospectively about the likes of Winston Churchill - or are just indulging in daft partisan posturing.

Fair point about the conference speech, I didn't remember that.
 
Nevertheless, that is actually our electoral system, so people shouldn't cast lazy aspersions about legitimacy - and if they do, they should cast them about the likes of Lloyd George, Baldwin, Churchill, Callaghan and Major too.

Besides, it was common knowledge there was a good chance of Blair quitting in office, so anyone casting their vote presidentially was gambling.

Considering that the received wisdom was that Brown was seriously agitating for the job, it made Blair's early resignation a pretty good bet.
 
Atleast if Cameron was prime minister he'd have been voted in, this ballbag we have at the minute is a fecking high profile squatter.

You show a stunning lack of comprehension of how the UK political system actually works. Since when have we ever voted for PMs?
 
You are being pedantic if you discuss the idea that none of our PMs are elected by us, of course they are- are you seriously suggesting people across the nation sit down and decide who they want as their MP or as their PM? Besides in our political system with very weak legislative power with negligible independence from the executive you are electing a PM as an MP doesn't have a sufficient degree of free will to act as they see fit.
 
I really would have hoped more important things would have been on the agenda for the country than this.
 
Typical Cameron, he can act all street-smart and modernly integrated as he likes though its doesnt take long for his inner-Tory to illuminate when the topic of fox hunting emerges.
 
You are being pedantic if you discuss the idea that none of our PMs are elected by us, of course they are- are you seriously suggesting people across the nation sit down and decide who they want as their MP or as their PM? Besides in our political system with very weak legislative power with negligible independence from the executive you are electing a PM as an MP doesn't have a sufficient degree of free will to act as they see fit.

Fine, then people should complain about the system and have it changed, not complain about the bloke who happens to be the incumbent, one of a long line of PMs - including some of the most prestigious - who got the job during the lifetime of a parliament.

This shit is childish and really irritating. It's not as if there's a lack of proper reasons to have a go at Brown.
 
I was going to say that there is a long list of things to criticise Brown for before this one. But you did that already.
 
Kill foxes. Kill foxes. My politicial future could be in your paws.

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The Tories can feck off. They'll get elected and people will quickly remember what a bunch of self-serving pricks they are.
 
Labour and the Tories are as bad as eachother. An election to me is a kind of false choice as it gives the impression that we have a say in how the country is run. Neither party ever stands by the policies that get them elected and the people (me included) are too bone idle to make politicians accountable for their actions.
 
The Tories can feck off. They'll get elected and people will quickly remember what a bunch of self-serving pricks they are.

Can they not [rightly] play the Brown/Labour gave us all this debt or policy and we are having to repair the damage card, before any such chickens come home to roost? I don't see how it can't but afford them some slack.

And you speak as if the politicians of the last years were not self-serving?
 
We need a constitutional overhaul. Keeps being talked about, never happens and each parliament, the politics gets worse. And people wonder why.
 
The Tories can feck off. They'll get elected and people will quickly remember what a bunch of self-serving pricks they are.

:lol:

Will we even notice the difference from the current mob.

And the fox hunting ban has made no difference to foxes.
 
David Cameron 'to vote against fox hunting ban' - Telegraph

Well there's a surprise. :rolleyes:

I bet Cameron, Osbourne and the rest of the Old-Etonian Tory elite have been champing at the bit to bring their upper class bloodsport back into law.

Just a reminder of what we're dealing with....

cameron-bullingdon-dining-club2_468x420.jpg

2, PM in waiting Cameron (you'll recognise number 8, as well)

456281554_3f493b2fa3.jpg

1, Chancellor in waiting Osbourne

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7, Osbourne again, this time on a Bullingdon club hunt

Can you imagine this pair running the country?


feck off. The hunting ban is a disgrace and its repeal will bring joy to a hundred ordinary working people in the country for every 'toff'.

Don't comment about subjects you know feck all about.
 
Tally Ho.

Lets give the oiks a black eye on this one chaps and then feast on stuffed swan to really show them.

Some sort of dinner club might be appropriate.

You're normally very well-informed and maintain high standards of debate Wibs. I guess your lapse here can be put down to your lack of experience of life in the UK.

It is one of the most misguided tenets of urban British life that hunting is a sport mainly for toffs. I have loved hunting all my life and can assure you that the great majority of people who share my passion for the sport are very ordinary people. Some make sacrifices to afford to hunt mounted, most follow on foot or by car (many elderly country people who were regular car-followers of their local pack of hounds felt the bottom had fallen out of their world when the ban came. Fortunately nearly all packs simply ignore it).

The irony is that hunting is probably the only activity where 'toffs' and working class people do actually meet as equals and share a common bond. (very few Dukes down at the darts match, and not too many dustmen to be seen on the grouse moors - now there IS a toff's sport!)
 
If foxes must be killed, then if people want to make a sport of it that's their business, not mine.
 
:lol:

Will we even notice the difference from the current mob.

And the fox hunting ban has made no difference to foxes.

People don't care about the effectiveness of legislation, only that they feel good about themselves for supporting it.

Labour has dined out on this kind of nonsense for far too long.
 
In the scheme of thing it's not that important but we have got rid of cock fighting, bear baiting and dog fights on the grounds that they're rather unedifying as a spectacle.

As I said, "if foxes must be killed". They do need culling for various reasons, and if people want to have properly regulated fun doing it, they should be free to do so, no matter how personally distasteful I find it, just as we allow other sorts of butchery for fun.

I don't like blood sports, or the motives of those who engage in it, but that's not a good enough reason to ban it.
 
I have loved hunting all my life and can assure you that the great majority of people who share my passion for the sport are very ordinary people.
If foxes must be killed, then if people want to make a sport of it that's their business, not mine.
It is not a sport.
And very obviously so. Sport requires a set of rules adhered to, or at least accepted by, all participating parties. If the brave huntsmen had asked the foxes if they would happily play their part in this joyous practice, I believe they had declined.

To call this a sport is just another form of self-deceit that "sinners" cling to in order to avoid the truth about their obscene enjoyments.
 
And very obviously so. Sport requires a set of rules adhered to, or at least accepted by, all participating parties. If the brave huntsmen had asked the foxes if they would happily play their part in this joyous practice, I believe they had declined.

To call this a sport is just another form of self-deceit that "sinners" cling to in order to avoid the truth about their obscene enjoyments.

So?