David de Gea | 2011-14 Performances

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Ace said:
Cech won the U-21 Euro Championships, and signed as Chelsea's number one as a twenty-two year old. At the time, Cech cost more than every other goalkeeper Chelsea previously owned put together.

He, if anyone, should understand the upside to a signing like De Gea.
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The whole "it's a gamble" argument is ridiculous. He's a goalkeeper and he'll be under massive scrutiny with every error and decision micro-analysed beyond all reason.

We bought a 29 year old World Cup and Euro winner, who'd been a CL winner at 21, a Ligue winner who'd won multiple keeper of the year awards. A top class keeper with a mass of top level experience and the nicest thing a lot of United fans would call him is erratic. So if experience and being acknowledged as one of the world's best doesn't make it easy what can?

Casillas was winning CLs at De Gea's age. Cech wasn't much older when he became a key man at Chelsea.

Of course it's a gamble, but we're talking about the best young keeper in Europe. If he seems a bit cautious when he arrives, then good - at least he won't be providing Youtube with too many fiascos - and he can learn what we want from defenders who know.

Basically - bah humbug, and a plague on all those cynics' houses.
 
I don't know why people are criticizing Cech for stating the obvious. He's right, being United's keeper is a massive job especially for a 21 yr old keeper, with no experience outside La Liga and with a hefty fee on his back. Schmeichel used to call that role as the "most difficult job in the world" and in fact it is. Years of relying heavily on two of the finest keepers ever (VDS and Schmeichel) has made us totally reliant on the keeper. He must be a great shot stopper, flawless regarding crosses, excellent in his passing with sharp reflexes and high concentration level. If the keeper fecks up (PIG last game) the defense goes in panic mode and even the most average of strikers turn into the reincarnation of Pele. Comparing De Gea with Cech is also ridiculous. Cech was signed for a small side with deep pockets and great ambitions. De Gea signed with the biggest club in the world. Its basically like comparing Shitty with United.
 
jojojo said:
The whole "it's a gamble" argument is ridiculous. He's a goalkeeper and he'll be under massive scrutiny with every error and decision micro-analysed beyond all reason.

We bought a 29 year old World Cup and Euro winner, who'd been a CL winner at 21, a Ligue winner who'd won multiple keeper of the year awards. A top class keeper with a mass of top level experience and the nicest thing a lot of United fans would call him is erratic. So if experience and being acknowledged as one of the world's best doesn't make it easy what can?

Casillas was winning CLs at De Gea's age. Cech wasn't much older when he became a key man at Chelsea.

Of course it's a gamble, but we're talking about the best young keeper in Europe. If he seems a bit cautious when he arrives, then good - at least he won't be providing Youtube with too many fiascos - and he can learn what we want from defenders who know.

Basically - bah humbug, and a plague on all those cynics' houses.
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Casillas was a homegrown product ie he was trained since youth to suit Real Madrid's needs. Cech signed with a much smaller side then us.

The only keeper whom I can think of who managed to do what De Gea is trying to achieve is Gianluigi Buffon. He moved to Juventus for an astronomical fee and at quite a young age to replace VDS. However Buffon had three key advantages which De Gea won't have.

a) he remained in Italy (ie similar style etc)
b) Its easier for a keeper to make it in Italy (more protection for keepers less crosses etc) then in EPL.
c) Parma were at that time Juventus unnofficial feeder club. Players were literally groomed to adapt to Juventus formation etc.
 
De Gea is bound to make a few mistakes. It's down to us fans to be accepting of them so as not to make things worse.
 
devilish said:
I don't know why people are criticizing Cech for stating the obvious. He's right, being United's keeper is a massive job especially for a 21 yr old keeper, with no experience outside La Liga and with a hefty fee on his back. Schmeichel used to call that role as the "most difficult job in the world" and in fact it is. Years of relying heavily on two of the finest keepers ever (VDS and Schmeichel) has made us totally reliant on the keeper. He must be a great shot stopper, flawless regarding crosses, excellent in his passing with sharp reflexes and high concentration level. If the keeper fecks up (PIG last game) the defense goes in panic mode and even the most average of strikers turn into the reincarnation of Pele. Comparing De Gea with Cech is also ridiculous. Cech was signed for a small side with deep pockets and great ambitions. De Gea signed with the biggest club in the world. Its basically like comparing Shitty with United.
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I'm not criticizing Cech, I'm criticizing the whole culture of stating the obvious as if it's insight.

Of course he's right, but that right has got nothing to do with De Gea. Any new keeper is a gamble for us. VdS is a tough act to follow, but what else do we do - leave the goalkeeping job open in his honour?

As for De Gea, no, there aren't direct comparisons - we're United and they aren't. But if we can't compare him with Cech who do we compare him with. Casillas - he plays for a big club. Buffon - an Italian international at 19. Or Barthez who had all the experience in the world but was still a gamble.

And as Cech said, if it works out we've got a great keeper with years ahead of him.
 
There's really not much anyone can say about De Gea as United's #1 until he's worn the shirt. As Cech and Evra have pointed out, it's a gamble, it's a difficult job, of course it is, and there's nothing else to say because nobody knows anything more; why anyone would get on their backs for answering questions using the extent of their obviously limited knowledge on what the future might hold is anyone's guess. When asked, "What do you think of the De Gea signing?" how are they supposed to answer other than with the simple, pointing out the obvious, answers that they have given? Everybody knows that it will be a challenge for De Gea, everybody knows he's got the ability to meet that challenge if he can meet it mentally, that's all anyone knows and so that's the response players are giving when questioned upon the subject; there's nothing more to it than that.
 
jojojo said:
I'm not criticizing Cech, I'm criticizing the whole culture of stating the obvious as if it's insight.

Of course he's right, but that right has got nothing to do with De Gea. Any new keeper is a gamble for us. VdS is a tough act to follow, but what else do we do - leave the goalkeeping job open in his honour?

As for De Gea, no, there aren't direct comparisons - we're United and they aren't. But if we can't compare him with Cech who do we compare him with. Casillas - he plays for a big club. Buffon - an Italian international at 19. Or Barthez who had all the experience in the world but was still a gamble.

And as Cech said, if it works out we've got a great keeper with years ahead of him.
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You don't watch MUTV too often don't you? Journalists just love asking questions which demands obvious answers. Mandy is world class in this particular art. I recently saw Ashley Young's interview with MUTV

How do you feel signing with Manchester United?

What do you think about SAF?

You don't expect him to say that United are the worst club in the world and that SAF is a fool who doesn't know what football is don't you?

I think that De Gea is a bigger gamble then lets say an experienced world class keeper with EPL experience (ex Cech for example).
 
The Cech articles sound like media BS. He made a rational pro and con statement about us signing De Gea and a few websites attached sensational headlines in bold print to try and blow it up into something it isn't. Crumbs for the easily led.
 
Some of the reactions have been a bit too dramatic. It is always a huge challange to sign for a top club and to replace a world class player. Now we have signed the best young keeper in the world and there is no one better than Fergie to guide him in the right direction.

Yes he will make mistakes, yes it will cost us. But in a few years, he will be an absolute top keeper and maybe stay for a long time. He was the best choice who was available and I am glad Fergie sticked to his plan
 
devilish said:
I don't know why people are criticizing Cech for stating the obvious. He's right, being United's keeper is a massive job especially for a 21 yr old keeper, with no experience outside La Liga and with a hefty fee on his back. Schmeichel used to call that role as the "most difficult job in the world" and in fact it is. Years of relying heavily on two of the finest keepers ever (VDS and Schmeichel) has made us totally reliant on the keeper. He must be a great shot stopper, flawless regarding crosses, excellent in his passing with sharp reflexes and high concentration level. If the keeper fecks up (PIG last game) the defense goes in panic mode and even the most average of strikers turn into the reincarnation of Pele. Comparing De Gea with Cech is also ridiculous. Cech was signed for a small side with deep pockets and great ambitions. De Gea signed with the biggest club in the world. Its basically like comparing Shitty with United.
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That's wrong on so many levels, not least the number of different keepers who played for United between Schmeicel's retirement and the signing of Van Der Sar.

We're no more reliant on our keeper than any other top club. Arguably less so, bearing in mind the unusual strength in depth we have in defence.
 
You're wrong, Pogue. You can see it in his eyes, whenever the ball comes towards him, Vidic is all "meh", and Rio quite often tries to merk the twins into making mistakes — that's because we just rely totally on VDS whilst everyone else messes about and fecks around doing their own thing, listening to their ipods or whatever. David De Gea is going to have to get used to that or he'll be receiving a rude awakening.
 
ciderman9000000 said:
You're wrong, Pogue. You can see it in his eyes, whenever the ball comes towards him, Vidic is all "meh", and Rio quite often tries to merk the twins into making mistakes — that's because we just rely totally on VDS whilst everyone else messes about and fecks around doing their own thing, listening to their ipods or whatever. David De Gea is going to have to get used to that or he'll be receiving a rude awakening.
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We have two of the best defenders in the league, who are probably the two best defensive headers' of the ball. So much so that VDS was probably the least busy GK in the Premiership last season when it came to corners/set pieces.

Our real problems last season came from our left back area, but I don't expect Evra to have two poor seasons in a row.

De Gea will have pressurised moments, but we wont be relying 'totally' on him this season.
 
Jonno said:
We have two of the best defenders in the league, who are probably the two best defensive headers' of the ball. So much so that VDS was probably the least busy GK in the Premiership last season when it came to corners/set pieces.

Our real problems last season came from our left back area, but I don't expect Evra to have two poor seasons in a row.

De Gea will have pressurised moments, but we wont be relying 'totally' on him this season.
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Pogue Mahone said:
That's wrong on so many levels, not least the number of different keepers who played for United between Schmeicel's retirement and the signing of Van Der Sar.

We're no more reliant on our keeper than any other top club. Arguably less so, bearing in mind the unusual strength in depth we have in defence.
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Every keeper we brought who was not a world class (All rounder) keeper ended up failing miserably. No matter how good our defense is (and its fantastic) we rely heavily on a keeper who can bail us out under all circumstances. Whenever our defense lose trust over it keepers then we end up weak at the back. Just take PIG's last game with us as a perfect example.
 
Jonno said:
We have two of the best defenders in the league, who are probably the two best defensive headers' of the ball. So much so that VDS was probably the least busy GK in the Premiership last season when it came to corners/set pieces.

Our real problems last season came from our left back area, but I don't expect Evra to have two poor seasons in a row.

De Gea will have pressurised moments, but we wont be relying 'totally' on him this season.
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devilish said:
Every keeper we brought who was not a world class (All rounder) keeper ended up failing miserably. No matter how good our defense is (and its fantastic) we rely heavily on a keeper who can bail us out under all circumstances. Whenever our defense lose trust over it keepers then we end up weak at the back. Just take PIG's last game with us as a perfect example.
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This is true. I think it all depends on the psychology of the defenders and whether they truly trust the goalkeeper. I see the panic in PIGS face as much as I saw it in Bosnich, Barthez and Carroll.

De Gea is a different class altogether, he is cocky, sure of himself and has already achieved so much at a young age. This is what we need, not some nervous keeper.
 
Jonno said:
This is true. I think it all depends on the psychology of the defenders and whether they truly trust the goalkeeper. I see the panic in PIGS face as much as I saw it in Bosnich, Barthez and Carroll.

De Gea is a different class altogether, he is cocky, sure of himself and has already achieved so much at a young age. This is what we need, not some nervous keeper.
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Amen no wonder why SAF had decided to spend big and that despite United having the strongest defense in the world and throughout the entire SAF's era.

Im not concerned about De Gea's talent. Im only concerned about whether he can handle the pressure here and his ability to adapt in the tough EPL football. That's something that cannot be unearthed by scouts. At least in my opinion.
 
devilish said:
Amen no wonder why SAF had decided to spend big and that despite United having the strongest defense in the world and throughout the entire SAF's era.

Im not concerned about De Gea's talent. Im only concerned about whether he can handle the pressure here and his ability to adapt in the tough EPL football. That's something that cannot be unearthed by scouts. At least in my opinion.
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Perhaps I am alone again in my opinions ;) but I think De Gea will prove SAF to be righteous and to be one of the best signings he has ever made.

I truly believe we have ourself an absolute diamond in De Gea and signing him has been a bit of a coup. Considerably more expensive than Chicarito, but considering the longevity of a keeper, I think he may even be better value.
 
Jonno said:
We have two of the best defenders in the league, who are probably the two best defensive headers' of the ball. So much so that VDS was probably the least busy GK in the Premiership last season when it came to corners/set pieces.

Our real problems last season came from our left back area, but I don't expect Evra to have two poor seasons in a row.
De Gea will have pressurised moments, but we wont be relying 'totally' on him this season.
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Fergie's Man said:
Perhaps I am alone again in my opinions ;) but I think De Gea will prove SAF to be righteous and to be one of the best signings he has ever made.

I truly believe we have ourself an absolute diamond in De Gea and signing him has been a bit of a coup. Considerably more expensive than Chicarito, but considering the longevity of a keeper, I think he may even be better value.
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I just hope for everyones sake, he never does an interview. Ever.
 
GaryLifo said:
De Gea is bound to make a few mistakes. It's down to us fans to be accepting of them so as not to make things worse.
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It's nothing to do with the fans it's the media, the fans didn't have a problem with Howard when he dropped a clanger against Porto it's the media that ruined his United career
 
Bullshit, why are Rio/Valencia/Rooney etc all on it so? The latter is a problem waiting to happen.
 
As if Fergie would understand a word of spanish... well, probably doesnt understand Rio's tweets either, but then who does
 
One of my major concerns about De Gea is wheter or not he will get homesick, if this is true it isn't helping at all.
 
Fergie's Man said:
Perhaps I am alone again in my opinions ;) but I think De Gea will prove SAF to be righteous and to be one of the best signings he has ever made.

I truly believe we have ourself an absolute diamond in De Gea and signing him has been a bit of a coup. Considerably more expensive than Chicarito, but considering the longevity of a keeper, I think he may even be better value.
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I hope you're right. I certainly have no doubt about the kid's talent. What I am concerned about is the massive task given to him. Being Manchester United's no 1 at his age is a very difficult task

(bold part) I tend to be in those situations quite often.....;)
 
Seems to be tweeting away, regardless... Honestly I think that stuff about fergie banning him from it was bollocks. Interesting to see the differing attitudes about it, some Atletico fans are wishing him luck but others are "wishing him luck for the bench"
 
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De Gea gets Van der Sar backing
Former Manchester United goalkeeper Edwin van der Sar has given his approval to the man most likely to replace him - David de Gea.
Van der Sar recently called time on an illustrious career spanning 21 years during which he won four Premier League titles, two UEFA Champions League medals and four Eredivisie titles, his departure leaving an apparent gaping hole between the posts for the Red Devils.
However, after intense speculation and numerous links with a host of top goalkeepers from around Europe, United confirmed last month that they had signed 20-year-old De Gea from Atletico Madrid.
Despite his immense talent, many observers have already raised doubts over De Gea's ability to fill Van der Sar's gloves and take on such a crucial role - a point of view that Van der Sar has been quick to disagree with.
"They [United] scouted all over Europe and found a couple of targets and they chose De Gea [so] hopefully he's going to have a great career at Manchester United," Van der Sar said in Singapore during United's Asia Trophy Tour
"He's very talented, he's already won a trophy with Atletico Madrid and the Spain Under-21 team so the prospect [to succeed at United] is there."
When asked if he had given De Gea any advice on how to cope with the pressures of being first-choice goalkeeper at such a big club, Van der Sar revealed that he felt it was important for his successor to create his own identity, rather than try to emulate someone else.
"Everybody has to be his own person.
"I've met him, I've spoken to him and it looks to me that he can handle it."
De Gea is still a youngster trying to carve out a career for himself and United is one of the best places for him to do so, especially under the tutelage of Sir Alex Ferguson - the man who excels at bringing out the best in new players.
Javier Hernandez was a revelation in his first season at United, scoring twenty goals, while Brazilian twins Rafael and Fabio are two more youngsters who have matured under the Scot's guidance.
And Van der Sar believes all three will go on to have decorated careers with the club.
"If you see last year, Chicharito [Hernandez] - nobody even knew him, and suddenly at the World Cup [in South Africa] he scored two goals.
"And then he came to us, he started playing and scored goals.
"It doesn't matter what angle, or [whether it's] with his head, his feet, or his chin against Chelsea [in the Community Shield].
"He's been amazing and it's been the same with the twins. I remember one game they both played against Arsenal [in the FA Cup]. They played left and right-wing and Fabio scored out of a cross from his brother."
"They're extremely talented and hopefully they can keep on making progress."
Having claimed a record 19th league title this season, United will be aiming to make it twenty next season.
Van der Sar concedes Ferguson's charges will face a tough fight from the likes of Chelsea, Manchester City and even Liverpool, although he is slightly concerned with the uncertainty surrounding Arsenal.
"It's going to be Chelsea again, maybe Manchester City, although they may have some trouble convincing [Carlos] Tevez to stay.
"And Liverpool will be really motivated to try and win the league, [but] Arsenal, at the moment, are a little in limbo because some players are going to leave."
Nonetheless, Van der Sar is hopeful it will be United who come out tops once again at the end of next season.
"Hopefully the continuity we have at United, with the manager and with the players who have already won league titles - hopefully we can do it again."
If another title parade at Old Trafford is to happen again next May, one thing is for certain: De Gea will have to fill some very big gloves that have been left behind.
The one thing he has on his side though, is the backing of the man he succeeded.
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Seeing Edwin with the trophy in Asia makes me miss him more. :[
 
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