David Moyes | West Ham in talks with him for managerial job

Scholesy said:
Disagree. This team could easily finish mid table

Mannone
McNair Rodwell Kone Annholt
Lens Cattermole Pienaar
Januzaj Defoe Khazri
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Kirchhoff is much better than Cattermole.
 
Scholesy said:
Disagree. This team could easily finish mid table

Mannone
McNair Rodwell Kone Annholt
Lens Cattermole Pienaar
Januzaj Defoe Khazri
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No it couldn't considering you've just mustered together a horribly unbalanced team of what you perceive to be their best players.

Playing 4 wingers, a MC at centre-half and a makeshift RB, yeah I'm sure they'd be safe before Christmas...
 
prath92 said:
City slacked off by the 70th minute or so. Till then Defoe barely got touches in the opposition third.

Every season Sunderland get thrashed. Last season Norwich thrashed them 3-1 and could have scored lot more. They didn't even look like a team. At least they look half decent now.
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Based on what? I watched them against Boro and apart from 10 minutes in the 2nd half they were not even quarter-decent.
 
prath92 said:
Come on now. Januzaj khazri and borini are completely capable people to play the ball away from their goal. It was clear that last few minutes they would get very little of the ball, as they barely had any of the ball most of the game too. They needed a defender to cope with the pressure more than they needed an attacker for an 'if we get the ball' situation. If you actually believe that city would be the team under pressure the last few minutes then I don't know what to say. Defoe would have barely been involved towards the end once city went full on attack.

Anyway my point isn't that Moyes is top class or whatever. It's just that he at the moment seems to be doing much much better than many previous managers of Sunderland. So they have nothing to complain about.
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Sorry, but this is also nonsense. I'll be surprised and impressed if you are able to support this statement in any tangible/meaningful way.

The last (unbolded) sentence is from the School of Moyes - "this has always been an average club so that's what they deserve". Awful mentality.
 
His comments about how sunderland can't attract players near the level of what he could attract at Everton and here is honest but.. Why mention it?
 
anant said:
So, a manager loses 2 games on the trot, one against City and another where they were the better side for 60+ minutes, and we start to call his Sunderland stint a failure?
A sunderland of old with this side against a rejuvenated(although not fully clicking) City would have lost by 4 goals+. It's just one of those threads where the person in question will be bashed no matter what
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No, it's not no matter what. It's him talking his team down as much as he possibly can and also talking down his potential recruits. According to one of the tabloids these are his quotes:

“The quality of the players that Sunderland can get is probably not what I’ve been buying in the last six years, or what I’ve had in the Premier League – not anywhere close to it. We’re out there looking, but this club will attract a certain type of player until we’re in a much higher league position.”

I would take offense to be approached by Sunderland as a player after reading those comments. And I would also think I'd be joining a demoralised dressing room, that is to get more demoralised with every passing press encounter.
 
Bastian said:
No, it's not no matter what. It's him talking his team down as much as he possibly can and also talking down his potential recruits. According to one of the tabloids these are his quotes:

“The quality of the players that Sunderland can get is probably not what I’ve been buying in the last six years, or what I’ve had in the Premier League – not anywhere close to it. We’re out there looking, but this club will attract a certain type of player until we’re in a much higher league position.”

I would take offense to be approached by Sunderland as a player after reading those comments. And I would also think I'd be joining a demoralised dressing room, that is to get more demoralised with every passing press encounter.
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Exactly. I hope for Moyes' sake that he's been misquoted, saying something like that will alienate pretty much everyone at the club as well as any future signings
 
He's only been there a few weeks, and already many of the Sunderland fans on the forum are fed up with him.
 
shamans said:
That is natural. Ever since United he has been black listed until he does something of note.
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Which is why he should keep his mouth shut and just get on with it. If I were the Sunderland brass, I'd be very tempted to tell him in no uncertain to stop bringing up the various constraints that he's facing. He needs this job as badly as the team needs him.
 
jem said:
Which is why he should keep his mouth shut and just get on with it. If I were the Sunderland brass, I'd be very tempted to tell him in no uncertain to stop bringing up the various constraints that he's facing. He needs this job as badly as the team needs him.
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Think shutting is mouth or opening it won't do much difference. He will be ridiculed no matter what until he produces results on the pitch. Just how sport is.
 
shamans said:
Think shutting is mouth or opening it won't do much difference. He will be ridiculed no matter what until he produces results on the pitch. Just how sport is.
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Yeah but shutting up and getting on with it may well help with the results. I certainly can't imagine it being very inspiring to hear your new manager complaining about the squad all the time.
 
shamans said:
Think shutting is mouth or opening it won't do much difference. He will be ridiculed no matter what until he produces results on the pitch. Just how sport is.
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Not really. Steve mclaren kept his mouth shut during Newcastle and there's less bad news on him.

The press know this is gold mine and they milked it thanks to his own blabbering
 
Gazza said:
Sorry, but this is also nonsense. I'll be surprised and impressed if you are able to support this statement in any tangible/meaningful way.

The last (unbolded) sentence is from the School of Moyes - "this has always been an average club so that's what they deserve". Awful mentality.
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Have already said this. Advocaat for instance (last season) was thrashed by two teams Leicester and Norwich (4-2 and 3-1 respectively). This season they lost 2 games but performances were lot better. They actually play like a team. It's just that their quality is lacking. Last time none of their players looked like they gave a damn. They had meetings for solving the issues and stuff.

If you expected Sunderland to get to midtable then that's your mistake. They finished 17th last season and there are some small changes (key players leaving in mvila yedlin and kirchoff injured. New additions djilobodji McNair and love) but still its kind of crazy to expect them to be anything better than fighting for relegation.
 
I feel like I'm one of the few who don't want him sacked. Once he gets binned this time we will no longer be able to enjoy getting entertainment from his amateurish comments. No other premier league club will go near him. Each time he opens his mouth is a figurative indictment on the "Moyes needs time (ex. Gary Neville)", "cut from the same cloth as fergie", and "United aren't a sacking club" brigade. He was so far and so clearly out of his depth with us that I still feel resentment towards those who stubbornly defended him
 
Bastian said:
No, it's not no matter what. It's him talking his team down as much as he possibly can and also talking down his potential recruits. According to one of the tabloids these are his quotes:

“The quality of the players that Sunderland can get is probably not what I’ve been buying in the last six years, or what I’ve had in the Premier League – not anywhere close to it. We’re out there looking, but this club will attract a certain type of player until we’re in a much higher league position.”

I would take offense to be approached by Sunderland as a player after reading those comments. And I would also think I'd be joining a demoralised dressing room, that is to get more demoralised with every passing press encounter.
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The man is a certifiable moron.

His man management and communication skills are so poor, it's incredible that he holds a position where he earns millions of pounds a year.
 
People praise him for his honesty, but if he truly believes what he says, it only reveals that he is a loser, and a moron. For a good manager, talking to media is a battle, but Moyes looks like he thinks its like talking to his drunk mates in a pub.
 
To be fair Sunderland's squad is crap. Its mainly made up of overhyped players who had failed at top flight and are now out of fashion (Mcnair, Rodwell, Cattemole, Defoe, Januzaj, Pienaar). Its also a relatively old squad too so unless some serious money is injected into this squad then their way is down.

Having said that, I question the wisdom of appointing Moyes. Ok he performed miracles with Everton but that's quite a long ago. The EPL has changed, buying English league players has become too expensive and therefore you need a manager who knows what there is out there (mainland Europe, South America etc) and bring in bargains that can make a difference.
 
nick2004 said:
Why people keep hiring Moyes?

Give a young manager a chance!
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I cant understand why they keep hiring Moyes when the EPL is so rich and even the smallest of clubs can bring top quality managers. FFS there's Rafa Benitez in the championship
 
Moyes will be finished after he inevitably fails at Sunderland. No Premier league club will touch him after that.

He'll either go into punditry or wait until the Celtic job becomes available.
 
The most horrible thing abut this you just know ol' Moyesy will somehow rustle up a win against us and will turn on the smug 100% in the post match interview.
 
Kaos said:
Moyes will be finished after he inevitably fails at Sunderland. No Premier league club will touch him after that.

He'll either go into punditry or wait until the Celtic job becomes available.
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He will be waiting for Real Madrid or Bayern, a job he deserves.
 
Kaos said:
Moyes will be finished after he inevitably fails at Sunderland. No Premier league club will touch him after that.

He'll either go into punditry or wait until the Celtic job becomes available.
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That won't happen, he makes Michael Owen sound inspiring. There is no way they would want the sleep inducing dour faced poodle anywhere near a studio.
 
SwansonsTache said:
That won't happen, he makes Michael Owen sound inspiring. There is no way they would want the sleep inducing dour faced poodle anywhere near a studio.
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Could you imagine if he did though? He'd probably try and big himself up and what he's achieved (and not to mention how hard done by United, he was!) at every opportunity.

Pep loses a match against West Brom. "If I was Pep, I'd have played this formation. I think Pep got it wrong. When I took my Everton side there, we beat them 3-0 because...." blah blah blah.

I'd rather he found himself a cosy job in Scotland, thanks.
 
prath92 said:
Have already said this. Advocaat for instance (last season) was thrashed by two teams Leicester and Norwich (4-2 and 3-1 respectively). This season they lost 2 games but performances were lot better. They actually play like a team. It's just that their quality is lacking. Last time none of their players looked like they gave a damn. They had meetings for solving the issues and stuff.
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Sunderland were really good at the end of last season. They completely played Everton off the park and won 3-0, for example, to secure their Premier League status. They were always dangerous against Chelsea and won 3-2, and they nabbed a deserved 0-0 draw against Arsenal. There was a lot more of a "team" under Big Sam than some of the disastrous defending against Middlesbrough.
 
prath92 said:
Have already said this. Advocaat for instance (last season) was thrashed by two teams Leicester and Norwich (4-2 and 3-1 respectively). This season they lost 2 games but performances were lot better. They actually play like a team. It's just that their quality is lacking. Last time none of their players looked like they gave a damn. They had meetings for solving the issues and stuff.

If you expected Sunderland to get to midtable then that's your mistake. They finished 17th last season and there are some small changes (key players leaving in mvila yedlin and kirchoff injured. New additions djilobodji McNair and love) but still its kind of crazy to expect them to be anything better than fighting for relegation.
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See, I actually agree that they look like a better team than they did under Advocaat. Boro is probably not a great example of it though. They deserved to be 2-0 down at half time. They did better in the second half and pulled one back, and then the game just faded into nothing after that. They never looked like equalising.

As for his comments about the relegation battle, frankly the fan base probably already knew that. You have to wonder if they would've been in a better position if Sam hadn't left so late. Moyes was only appointed a week or so before the City game. Maybe with a proper pre-season, they could've sorted out the mess with Kaboul and Lamine Kone wanting to leave, maybe brought in a replacement for Kirchoff? We've already seen at United that Moyes is hardly decisive in the transfer market, and even with full pre-seasons, his Everton teams often started the season slowly; there was no way he was going to hit the ground running having been appointed so late.

He would probably be well advised to take a page out of Jose Mourinho's playbook and say something along the lines of, "Look maybe the season goes poorly and by the end, we are happy to just survive, but 2 games in, I don't want to think about that. Right now, I believe we have the quality to stay up comfortably and push for mid table."

Basically, give the squad confidence/hope going in, but be wary of the possibilty of failure.

SwansonsTache said:
That won't happen, he makes Michael Owen sound inspiring. There is no way they would want the sleep inducing dour faced poodle anywhere near a studio.
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You wildly over-estimate the sophistication of thought of the punditry community.
 
x42bn6 said:
Sunderland were really good at the end of last season. They completely played Everton off the park and won 3-0, for example, to secure their Premier League status. They were always dangerous against Chelsea and won 3-2, and they nabbed a deserved 0-0 draw against Arsenal. There was a lot more of a "team" under Big Sam than some of the disastrous defending against Middlesbrough.
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Sunderland were also very good as a 'team' under advocaat at the end of 14/15 and going ahead of Newcastle and beating the drop quite comfortably but they looked like they were league 2 level just a couple of months later in 15/16. Sunderland are a team that looks like a team only from March to may every year irrespective of managers. Even if SAF managed them they would probably be in a relegation scrap for most of the season.
 
He'll be gone by December at this rate.....
 
This idea that because Sunderland are shite he's fine for openly admitting they are already in a relegation scrap is nonsense. As some have said, Sunderland fans already know that! The point is, why the hell does he have to be so damn negative after two games?
 
devilish said:
I cant understand why they keep hiring Moyes when the EPL is so rich and even the smallest of clubs can bring top quality managers. FFS there's Rafa Benitez in the championship
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In the last few years, Sunderland have hired and fired Bruce, O'Neill, Di Canio, Poyet, Advocaat and Allardyce. None of them can be said to be better (or worse than Moyes). Moyes is the most experienced manager in the PL after Wenger. The price range at which Sunderland shop, having knowledge of the European market might not count for much in any case. Plus Moyes was actually good at bringing through relatively unknown players. So its not really a surprise that they hired him, they must have reckoned he would be really fired up and ready to prove himself. The real surprise would be if they are expecting some immediate improvement in results or playing style. However, if all they want is not have to worry about relegation, become hard to beat with the occasional good result sprinkled here and there, then given time he could do the job.
 
pixel said:
In the last few years, Sunderland have hired and fired Bruce, O'Neill, Di Canio, Poyet, Advocaat and Allardyce. None of them can be said to be better (or worse than Moyes). Moyes is the most experienced manager in the PL after Wenger. The price range at which Sunderland shop, having knowledge of the European market might not count for much in any case. Plus Moyes was actually good at bringing through relatively unknown players. So its not really a surprise that they hired him, they must have reckoned he would be really fired up and ready to prove himself. The real surprise would be if they are expecting some immediate improvement in results or playing style. However, if all they want is not have to worry about relegation, become hard to beat with the occasional good result sprinkled here and there, then given time he could do the job.
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Thing is they probably thought they hired old Everton Dave, but that man was broken at United, and will most likely never return. You could physically see him becoming broken during the year he spent with us if you look at pre-season and post sack \ during his reign pics.

The ridicule he has received afterwards also doesn't exactly help him bounce back. Well deserved ridicule though, especially since he just can't let it go and continue to harp on about more time in his smug ways.

But even though he has lost his confidence and abillity to be a leader of men his delusion just has gained force, talking about clubs being beneath him, and Champions League being his level.

The dole or SPL will be his level after he is sacked from Sunderland, no one in the PL will touch him with a bargepole then.
 
SwansonsTache said:
Thing is they probably thought they hired old Everton Dave, but that man was broken at United, and will most likely never return. You could physically see him becoming broken during the year he spent with us if you look at pre-season and post sack \ during his reign pics.

The ridicule he has received afterwards also doesn't exactly help him bounce back. Well deserved ridicule though, especially since he just can't let it go and continue to harp on about more time in his smug ways.

But even though he has lost his confidence and abillity to be a leader of men his delusion just has gained force, talking about clubs being beneath him, and Champions League being his level.

The dole or SPL will be his level after he is sacked from Sunderland, no one in the PL will touch him with a bargepole then.
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I agree with this. This was my post some time back:
pixel said:
I suspect it would serve him better if he kept his gob shut rather than come out with ridiculous statements every now and then.
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I reckon how well he does or doesn't at Sunderland will depend as much upon his ability to rediscover(if that's the right word) himself as the support he gets from the club. If he continues believing that he is too good for the job, then no matter what its going to end in misery.
 
SomeRandomPerson said:
See, I actually agree that they look like a better team than they did under Advocaat. Boro is probably not a great example of it though. They deserved to be 2-0 down at half time. They did better in the second half and pulled one back, and then the game just faded into nothing after that. They never looked like equalising.

As for his comments about the relegation battle, frankly the fan base probably already knew that. You have to wonder if they would've been in a better position if Sam hadn't left so late. Moyes was only appointed a week or so before the City game. Maybe with a proper pre-season, they could've sorted out the mess with Kaboul and Lamine Kone wanting to leave, maybe brought in a replacement for Kirchoff? We've already seen at United that Moyes is hardly decisive in the transfer market, and even with full pre-seasons, his Everton teams often started the season slowly; there was no way he was going to hit the ground running having been appointed so late.

He would probably be well advised to take a page out of Jose Mourinho's playbook and say something along the lines of, "Look maybe the season goes poorly and by the end, we are happy to just survive, but 2 games in, I don't want to think about that. Right now, I believe we have the quality to stay up comfortably and push for mid table."

Basically, give the squad confidence/hope going in, but be wary of the possibilty of failure.
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Yeah I agree with you. The only thing I was telling since the beginning was that it's wrong to say Sunderland deserve better. they don't. They are the club equivalent of students who manage to scrape through exams studying the day before the exam and wasting rest of the term. It's insulting that clubs like Burnley and Norwich were relegated even though they worked harder in the respective seasons.
 
Minimalist said:
This idea that because Sunderland are shite he's fine for openly admitting they are already in a relegation scrap is nonsense. As some have said, Sunderland fans already know that! The point is, why the hell does he have to be so damn negative after two games?
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A few of their fans are praising him for his honesty, methinks that view will change sharpish if he doesn't start getting results.
 
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