David Moyes | West Ham in talks with him for managerial job

Adisa said:
It's quite incredible that this guy was our manager.
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And that a group of caf posters were exhilarated with his appointment and giving it large at the 'gloryhunters' who dared think he was going to be out of his depth.
 
pixel said:
Agree with this. Sunderland isn't some stable, mid-table club that has performed reasonably well over the past few seasons. I'd also back him to do a decent job over the course of the season (assuming he isn't fired ofc).

However I'd also say that he doesn't do himself any favors with the comments that he comes out with at times. Pretty much everyone at that club would have no illusions over their prospects. But to come out after the 2nd game of the season and state that they are in a relegation battle, is just a bit thick isn't it? It just smacks of him trying to cover his bases already. Wonder what signal it would send to a potential transfer target. Would any half decent player be looking to join a club, that the manager has said is going to be in a relegation battle? Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but I suspect it would serve him better if he kept his gob shut rather than come out with ridiculous statements every now and then.
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To be fair many managers downplay their chances at stuff. Mourinho constantly went on saying his team won't win the league in his first season and even in his second season when every dog in the world knew Chelsea would win. Chelsea was expected to challenge for title and mourinho said that he may not be able to. Moyes is expected to keep Sunderland up and he said he may not be able to. I frankly don't see a difference in both of them saying what they did and don't think it's a big deal either. It's not even new for Sunderland. Advocaat spent almost all his post match conferences last season hinting that he will leave if Sunderland keep losing. Which is just as bad surely?
 
Sunderland have some pretty shite players man. I thought that 2-1 result was decent.
 
prath92 said:
To be fair many managers downplay their chances at stuff. Mourinho constantly went on saying his team won't win the league in his first season and even in his second season when every dog in the world knew Chelsea would win. Chelsea was expected to challenge for title and mourinho said that he may not be able to. Moyes is expected to keep Sunderland up and he said he may not be able to. I frankly don't see a difference in both of them saying what they did and don't think it's a big deal either. It's not even new for Sunderland. Advocaat spent almost all his post match conferences last season hinting that he will leave if Sunderland keep losing. Which is just as bad surely?
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I'd say there is a difference. When managers downplay their chances of winning the league, whether it was Mourinho at Chelsea or Ranieri last season who kept insisting they wouldn't win until almost the end, it's mainly to take the media spotlight and pressure off the team. To keep them from getting complacent even if they are downright favorites. I don't think that would dampen the mood at the club. Now I am saying that this would necessarily happen at Sunderland after Moyes's comments. Indeed, it might be his way of telling his players that they were in a dogfight every single match. But it could also lead to a few heads dropping. Which is not want you would want 2 games into the season.

Advocaat did keep saying that he would leave if Sunderland kept losing. But he didn't say this after his second game in charge afaik. Just to qualify, I am not objecting to what he said, per se. If this had been December or January, I don't think his comments would have been picked on. Admittedly, my personal dislike of him keeps me from reading his comments in a completely objective manner.
 
17 Van der Gouw said:
Well, he did bring Mata in.

I thought it was more we went after a number of players but didn't succeed in getting any of them; then we got Fellaini on the last day of the window.
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I'm pretty sure that was a Woodward signing.
 
stevoc said:
Yeah man management doesn't seem to be one of his strengths, or inspiring confidence.

This is after all the guy who on the way home from a humiliating defeat at Olympiacos pulled out a self help book and started reading it in front of the players.
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Please, please tell me that didn't happen. I will lose respect for him as a professional.
 
Mitchell Nicholas said:
Yup, the book was called ''from good to great'' iirc.
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He really must have lost his marbles to be doing that in front of his subordinates. I mean you don't have to have management degree or need to be a football manager to know how weak and stupid that makes you look.
 
NK86 said:
He really must have lost his marbles to be doing that in front of his subordinates. I mean you don't have to have management degree or need to be a football manager to know how weak and stupid that makes you look.
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In my hand I have 3 envelopes......................
 
NK86 said:
He really must have lost his marbles to be doing that in front of his subordinates. I mean you don't have to have management degree or need to be a football manager to know how weak and stupid that makes you look.
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Especially when you are supposed to be in charge of a world class team of athletes FFS!
 
pixel said:
I'd say there is a difference. When managers downplay their chances of winning the league, whether it was Mourinho at Chelsea or Ranieri last season who kept insisting they wouldn't win until almost the end, it's mainly to take the media spotlight and pressure off the team. To keep them from getting complacent even if they are downright favorites. I don't think that would dampen the mood at the club. Now I am saying that this would necessarily happen at Sunderland after Moyes's comments. Indeed, it might be his way of telling his players that they were in a dogfight every single match. But it could also lead to a few heads dropping. Which is not want you would want 2 games into the season.

Advocaat did keep saying that he would leave if Sunderland kept losing. But he didn't say this after his second game in charge afaik. Just to qualify, I am not objecting to what he said, per se. If this had been December or January, I don't think his comments would have been picked on. Admittedly, my personal dislike of him keeps me from reading his comments in a completely objective manner.
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https://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/aug/16/sunderland-dick-advocaat-cannot-go-on-norwich-city

He said after this game 'this is a different team from last season and mentality is different. Things should change. I have never seen things like this' and all. Stuff that could be construed as defeatist.
 
Mitchell Nicholas said:
As far as home debuts go, this couldn't have gone worse; losing to a newly promoted side. His failure at United might have ruined him as a manager.
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I think you're right. He was a defiant, obdurate and resilient manager at Everton who you expected a hard-fought battle from win or lose. He had some character there and I can't remember every word coming out of his mouth being negative, dour and a lowering of expectations to protect his own hide.

He was shorn of those qualities by the magnitude of the job here, which completely over-awed and overwhelmed him. He's been a shell of the man he was ever since and has lost so much confidence in himself that he's at a disgraceful level of inspiration now.

He won't get another job in the PL after this - he's lost all the qualities that made him a sure thing as a middle of the road safe bet as a manager and is showing no signs of getting them back.The worst thing is he exudes such misery and negativity as to lower the joy and energy of any club he joins. It's a cardinal sin for a PL manager. Even if you're a loser, you stand defiant and resolute.You do not fold like a deck chair at the first sign of bother.
 
Such a ridiculous thing to say - especially 2 games into a new season. Trying to paint the picture of mission impossible and then he is the savior if he can keep them up.

Sunderland aren't a great team but IMO they should not be a sure thing to be in the relegation scrap. It's about mentality - Hull are in a really bad way but you don't see Phelan (despite all the problems there) talking about preparing for a relegation scrap at the beginning of the season. Moyes is basically telling the players they're crap. I've grown to really dislike the guy.
 
Setting the bar high again, he knows how to raise moral. Two games in chatting about a relegation battle. Even if he thinks that, he should not be saying that publicly. I hope this is the year that Sunderland go down, despise everything about that club.
 
Reminds me of that charlatan at Derby, the team that go the lowest points ever, Paul Jewell. Spent the whole season saying they were crap and were going to go down. Almost like he was looking forward to the inevitable. Disappeared into obscurity and Moyes might have the same fate.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
Such a ridiculous thing to say - especially 2 games into a new season. Trying to paint the picture of mission impossible and then he is the savior if he can keep them up.

Sunderland aren't a great team but IMO they should not be a sure thing to be in the relegation scrap. It's about mentality - Hull are in a really bad way but you don't see Phelan (despite all the problems there) talking about preparing for a relegation scrap at the beginning of the season. Moyes is basically telling the players they're crap. I've grown to really dislike the guy.
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He basically told that to our players too when by September he was already telling us that he needed 5 or 6 players to complete.

He loves his excuses Moysie.
 
Is he done shopping already? We've still got lots of more dross to unload.
 
The worst thing about old moyesy is how he makes you feel guilty for being optimistic. ANy hope is met with a pained expression and a tone of surrender.

He's like a dementor
 
Some people pleaded for this man to get more time he is so out of his depth at premier league level now. There will be a movie or a book written about Moyes time at us because he comes across as an cocky prat yet he has nothing to back it up with.
 
Moyes is a completely inept manager at any level nowadays. Why did we let that clown manage our club? Moyes should retire from management after he leaves Sunderland.
 
Looking through the Sunderland forums....they really hate Jack Rodwell on there. Apparently they haven't won a single league game when he's started for them. 0 wins and 35 loses/draws is the current record when he starts. fecking hell. That must be worse than Bale's record for Spurs.
 
I actually liked him when he came out and said they'd be in the relegation fight. That's bold and necessary considering the squad he has at his disposal and what he got to buy so far. Of course he had to wimp out the day after and call it a mistake.
 
prath92 said:
It isn't incompetence at all. He had 3 attackers and two of them are borini and januzaj both of whom can fill in upfront for 5 minutes.

It made complete sense to sub Defoe off for a defender in the hope to get a point
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..except they were not instructed to fill Defoe leaving. Moyes was incompetent.

EDIT: Unless you are saying Borini or Januzaj were incompetent.
 
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What's he got against Khazri?

I thought he was the bright light that kept them up last season, instead, he chooses to play Whatmore, the guy doesn't lift his head.
 
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