It's genuinely baffling how some people can still defend the man. He's very unpleasant.
David Moyes | West Ham in talks with him for managerial job
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How Mcnair doing?
No, he's calling him Mcnair. Gosh.Is that the first time you are calling him McNair?
Away to West Ham next weekend; they looked a lot better against Palace tonight, but have been awful at the Olympic Stadium - I'm sure Moyes will be positive and upbeat about that one... 
Away to West Ham next weekend; they looked a lot better against Palace tonight, but have been awful at the Olympic Stadium - I'm sure Moyes will be positive and upbeat about that one...
It will be their first win at home? Moyes the record breaker.
Can't say I'm not enjoying watching the absolute fraud make a mess of things elsewhere.
Is that the first time you are calling him McNair?
Can you answer the question?
He scored 2 goals against QPR in the league cup. Other than that i think he was bang average.
He also scored in his debut
A team whose got oshit, mcfail and gollum in it will end up relegated. Thats surprising isnt it
Sunderland's league positions in the PL since they finished 7th in 2001:
01/02: 17th
02/03: 20th
05/06: 20th
07/08: 15th
08/09: 16th
09/10: 13th
10/11: 10th
11/12: 13th
12/13: 17th
13/14: 14th
14/15: 16th
15/16: 17th
They can't keep it going can they? On the other hand Coventry only finished in the top 10 three times in their 34 year spell in the top flight from 1967 until 2001.
01/02: 17th
02/03: 20th
05/06: 20th
07/08: 15th
08/09: 16th
09/10: 13th
10/11: 10th
11/12: 13th
12/13: 17th
13/14: 14th
14/15: 16th
15/16: 17th
They can't keep it going can they? On the other hand Coventry only finished in the top 10 three times in their 34 year spell in the top flight from 1967 until 2001.
He doesn't deserve that.
Hes the best of the lot but sunderland is and was always his level. Mcfail and moyes are championship level
It obviously wasn't in his younger days. It's not a case of either being world class or Sunderland level.
Your posts certainly live up to your tagline, and I'm not even an o'Shea fan.
Not reallly. He had an excellent 1-2 years but that was it. What a disappointment
Those were dark times indeed.
And it was during those dark times that I used to come on here, as a guest and share my sorrows.
Posters on other (non MUFC) forums were all saying that he should get time...another season maybe, before he is assessed. I was pulling my hair out to these types of comments and could not understand why any MUFC fan would have any faith in him. I felt like I was going mad.
I then came here and saw many other fans felt as I did and I felt huge relief that I was not the only one thinking this.
When he was first announced as the manager, I thought it was a joke, run by a few papers, but when I saw him (and not Jose) at Carrington, the realisation set in that we have made a huge gamble on a mid-table manager, to take over arguably the best manager in the World. It was doomed to fail...and it did.
He seems to have found his level now: Sunderland. Bottom of the table. Probably relegated and if he doesn't get fired, he'll be a Championship manager next season.
That called sarcasm. I think that a team with players like oshea and McNair as forst teamers is likely to be relegated especially if lead by moyes
Its funny you say that, but when Moyes was stinking up MUFC, the same comment was being made.
Apparently our team of champions were dog shite.
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Your tagline? Nail on head, that one.
To be fair he does have oshea and McNair as first teamers
The fans got duped by SAF, who were told to have patience with the new man as tough times were ahead. The old man, knew that he left a substandard team. However he never thought that he gave the go ahead to such rubbish manager
I gave him the benefit of the doubt until he signed that big lump from Everton for 30m
Snap. The horror of that miserable fecking clown face led me to the Red Cafe as well. I was getting so frustrated and as none of my friends are Utd fans, I had no-one to grieve with.
'Seriously I think Big Sam would have struggled this year with this squad'
Somewhere in alternative universe he is still managing United.
There was a lot of abuse towards our players for letting Moyes down, even on here. Pissed me off because some treated Moyes as if we owed him a lot.
Said it as soon as he left England, I'm 99.9% certain he will return to Sunderland.
Only way is relegation under negative Dave.
In which division?
I understand that he was in no way cut out to be a manager for a club with our ambitions but I didn't think he'd fare this poorly at Sunderland given his results at Everton.
I think to some degree they simply have one of the worst rosters in the league. Only Hull has a worse team than them.
I think to some degree they simply have one of the worst rosters in the league. Only Hull has a worse team than them.
He can't claim he wasn't backed in the market at Sunderland, he simply went out and bought a load of garbage.
I wish I made half as much money as Moyes does for being as totally and utterly terrible as my job as Moyes is.
I've said it from day 1. He over-achieved personally at Everton in that he floated an average team with no real attempt to compete (one cup final in 7yrs).... he'd have been found out and binned off eventually had Fergie not had a Scottish brainfart when full of red wine some night & inexplicably handed him the keys to OT.
Preston was Moyes finest hour & I dare say they wouldn't touch him with a barge pole now. Sunderland showed their shambolic lack of ambition by appointing this unlikeable disease of a man.
Coming off the back of Leicester winning the league from the same spot that Sunderland finished last season, it was the perfect "anyone can win it" opportunity... but no. They appoint Gollum and he says they're in a relegation battle after 2games. They deserve each other.
I look forward to them all being relegated so I won't have to see Grey-face on MOTD and will only thereafter be subject to his sporadic outbursts of how he "should have got more time at Utd".... go away Moyes, just go away you complete charlatan.
I've said it from day 1. He over-achieved personally at Everton in that he floated an average team with no real attempt to compete (one cup final in 7yrs).... he'd have been found out and binned off eventually had Fergie not had a Scottish brainfart when full of red wine some night & inexplicably handed him the keys to OT.
Preston was Moyes finest hour & I dare say they wouldn't touch him with a barge pole now. Sunderland showed their shambolic lack of ambition by appointing this unlikeable disease of a man.
Coming off the back of Leicester winning the league from the same spot that Sunderland finished last season, it was the perfect "anyone can win it" opportunity... but no. They appoint Gollum and he says they're in a relegation battle after 2games. They deserve each other.
I look forward to them all being relegated so I won't have to see Grey-face on MOTD and will only thereafter be subject to his sporadic outbursts of how he "should have got more time at Utd".... go away Moyes, just go away you complete charlatan.
pretty sure he said he would take 4th bottom before the first game. Sorrow in a suit indeed
Moyes was seriously out of depth with United. However I see him as yet another consequence of flawed strategy that crippled us rather then the main reason why we fecked up big time .
Seriously what did we really planned to achieved with him? The man was given one of the biggest jobs in football despite having no experience in managing a big club, he had no experience in winning anything and he had never managed top players. If you put a sandwich maker as CEO of Microsoft, then its not really he's fault if the business goes tits up. It wouldn't be his fault if he compares one of his directors with Jonny his assistant sandwich maker. That's the world this guy knows.
There's absolutely little difference between trying to replace SAF with Moyes and trying to replace Rio with Jones, Ronaldo with Valencia, Scholes with Cleverley and Giggs with Young. We're still suffering from the consequences of it because these gaps can't be sorted by simply throwing money at them. Even top quality managers (we finally got one) need time to sort this mess and players need time to settle down.
Seriously what did we really planned to achieved with him? The man was given one of the biggest jobs in football despite having no experience in managing a big club, he had no experience in winning anything and he had never managed top players. If you put a sandwich maker as CEO of Microsoft, then its not really he's fault if the business goes tits up. It wouldn't be his fault if he compares one of his directors with Jonny his assistant sandwich maker. That's the world this guy knows.
There's absolutely little difference between trying to replace SAF with Moyes and trying to replace Rio with Jones, Ronaldo with Valencia, Scholes with Cleverley and Giggs with Young. We're still suffering from the consequences of it because these gaps can't be sorted by simply throwing money at them. Even top quality managers (we finally got one) need time to sort this mess and players need time to settle down.
How many big clubs did Pep manage before taking over at Barcelona, he had't even managed a single football club first team.
What had Zidane done in management before taking the Real job.
Its different.
When Rijkaard left, Barcelona was starting to reveal the best youth team the world had ever seen in the past 20 years. Pep knew the club, he coached these players and he acknowledged their talent. The last thing they needed was someone to come in and mess the whole thing up with his 'ideas' of managing clubs. To put things in United terms, its like SAF leaving United in 1995. Would you hire a Johnny foreigner who knows absolutely nothing about Beckham, Scholes and co and would probably prefer buying proven talent like Anderton and Platt instead of relying on youths. Or would you give Eric Harrison a chance?
Moyes had no idea about United, which was clearly shown when he sacked most of SAF's men. He had no idea in managing a big club, he had no idea of dealing with top players and we had no class of 92 waiting in the wings (Mcnair is not exactly Scholes). He's the worst of both worlds really. IE an incompetent Johnny Foreigner who know nothing about the club. Unfortunately that was the strategy we chose back at the time ie replacing top quality people with 'proven' ones who had as much chance of becoming top class as I to become a billionare
Regarding Zidane lets see what happens in long term. Even Di Matteo was able to win the CL as manager in his first year at Chelsea. Where is he now?
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They were both gambles on former great players, and not a gamble I would like United to taken given we don't enjoy the same unrivalled dominant position in England as those two clubs do in Spain. However, the comparison with Moyes is irrelevant - Moyes was a known quantity after over 10 years in the Premier League and, based on his CV, it was fairly obvious he was not United material.
Look at Van Gaal. He had achieved a lot, actually, one of his greatest achievements was taking an average Dutch side to 3rd place in WCs just before he began work with us full time. He had experience winning things and had managed top players.
We spent 250m on players and were no closer to winning the PL even then.