Nah, Moyes will struggle to get another PL job after this.
David Moyes | West Ham in talks with him for managerial job
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Nah, Moyes will struggle to get another PL job after this.
When people complain modern football has no magic of previous eras I put it down to the over-saturation of games on TV.
No idea what relevance that has there though
No idea what relevance that has there though
Getting relegated...no question. One of the worst prem sides I've ever seen. Up there with Derby.
Everything he says and does makes it even more ridiculous we appointed him
I remember like many people watching United on ITV before Sky came along on a Sunday afternoon. Saturday early and evening kick offs and Sunday early and 4pm kick offs are not a recent thing either. If you want the cash you need to move on and adapt. Does it make any odds when Sunderland play? They have no other cup commitments. Sunderland aren't playing extra games in their season to accommodate TV. It certainly wouldn't stop them going down. Sunderland are skint. So when the sleeve sponsors come in what do you say then? Oh yeah we want the money but I'm a traditionalist so don't want a logo on the sleeve. How else are you going to compete then?
Fellaini captaining United is probably the proudest moment of Moyes' career.
Only chance he has is if Sunderland stick with him and he brings them straight back up-fair chance of the first part happening but slim chance of second. He could end up back in Scotland-is he Rangers or Celtic?
I think they should stick with Moyes and allow him to build the squad as he sees fit. People often forget that he nearly got Everton relegated in 03/04, then came back strong in the subsequent years.
He's got a point to be fair. With more games moving to Friday nights aswell there will be PL football Saturday/Sunday/Monday/Friday and European football Tuesday/Wednesday/Thursday. I love football but it's too much.
Why he chose a match programme to air those views though I'm not too sure.
Why he chose a match programme to air those views though I'm not too sure.
That was a long time ago. Football has moved on, he hasn't.
The point is he did well after that 17th place finish. Moyes is a good mid table manager as long as he gets a bit of time.
He really needs to give it up and do punditry or go live as a shepard in Scotland.
Based on him doing it a grand total of one time.
Not that he was given another chance to do so, but still...
He's just a slow starter. Everton almost consistently punched above their weight for much of his time after the first year or two.
Moyes was sacked at Utd after loss against his previous club. Would Sunderland do the same?
That being said, depite his failure here and in Spain and Sunderland, you have to feel that he is much better than this. I mean we may hate him, but he is still among the better British managers in the game- he has won LMA Manager of the year award thrice, so surely there'd be clubs willing to hire him
That being said, depite his failure here and in Spain and Sunderland, you have to feel that he is much better than this. I mean we may hate him, but he is still among the better British managers in the game- he has won LMA Manager of the year award thrice, so surely there'd be clubs willing to hire him
Well thats what makes it odd for me. You're in a relegation dog fight, a game coming up against United, you'd think he'd try to rally the troops etc. Yet he goes off on one about too much football on TV. Strange.
The money inflow over the last few years IMO renders comparisons with 10 years ago obsolete. Most clubs are now rich enough to hire decent coaches from abroad, meaning it's a much more conpetitive environment. Allied to Moyes's seeming inability or unwillingness to change and the impact that his United humiliation may have had on him, I don't think he is PL quality anymore, let alone top 10.
Yeah true. Managers are expected to be successful much quicker these days. Although for Sunderland, I don't think they would ever expect to be top 4 contenders, just mid to upper mid table at best. If they stick with Moyes, he will bring them back up and push towards mid table in a couple of years imo.
Someone is going to get a slap .
.There are plenty of players/managers that have thrived in certain circumstances and failed in others.
I have no love for the man but think Moyes' achievements at Everton were many, despite plenty of others unfairly dismissing them (not that he should have been close to the United job), however the challenges of managing a 'top' club are just so different - his game raising against better teams at Everton might have worked but at United it just seemed a defeatist inferiority complex. I'm not going to list the many mistakes he made at United but the circumstances in the 2 jobs were just so different and nothing about him suited us at all.
Fast forward to now and it's clear his ego is ridiculously inflated, yet he's failed in other jobs since and has lost so much respect that he's going to find it difficult to control any dressing room. His recent comments about slapping the journalist, also point to a man that is a dinosaur in a changing game/environment, even if it was meant as a joke (?!?).
Maybe he could rebuild at a Championship club but he has deluded himself into thinking he should be managing in the CL. Failing at United could have been a good learning experience if nothing else - plenty of other better managers have done so at top clubs but rather than do the PR 'I'll learn from this and be back better", he blamed others and has frankly been a bit of an embarrassment since.
I think his career is over in terms of being seen as a talented manager and there's no way he'll ever manage in the CL again but no doubt he'll be able to get a job, probably in the PL. For his sake, I'd hope he would look at why he's failed and work on it but he'll no doubt continue to shout about how he was unfairly treated...blah, blah, blah.
I have no love for the man but think Moyes' achievements at Everton were many, despite plenty of others unfairly dismissing them (not that he should have been close to the United job), however the challenges of managing a 'top' club are just so different - his game raising against better teams at Everton might have worked but at United it just seemed a defeatist inferiority complex. I'm not going to list the many mistakes he made at United but the circumstances in the 2 jobs were just so different and nothing about him suited us at all.
Fast forward to now and it's clear his ego is ridiculously inflated, yet he's failed in other jobs since and has lost so much respect that he's going to find it difficult to control any dressing room. His recent comments about slapping the journalist, also point to a man that is a dinosaur in a changing game/environment, even if it was meant as a joke (?!?).
Maybe he could rebuild at a Championship club but he has deluded himself into thinking he should be managing in the CL. Failing at United could have been a good learning experience if nothing else - plenty of other better managers have done so at top clubs but rather than do the PR 'I'll learn from this and be back better", he blamed others and has frankly been a bit of an embarrassment since.
I think his career is over in terms of being seen as a talented manager and there's no way he'll ever manage in the CL again but no doubt he'll be able to get a job, probably in the PL. For his sake, I'd hope he would look at why he's failed and work on it but he'll no doubt continue to shout about how he was unfairly treated...blah, blah, blah.
Yeah I can see he'll keep saying stuff like this. I'd have more sympathy if he wasn't so arrogant. Anyway, if his delusions of this abilities keeps him sane, then good. It's better that than him having a nervous breakdown, which he'd no doubt blame on United (smh)
He might not get one straight after this but he will bounce right back up to one. Look at the trend.
He should get sacked tonight, surely.
With all due respect to Moyes, championship ain't an easy walk in the park. There are lots of good team, good players, and better manager down there. Sunderland won't even be the biggest fish in that pond.
Sounds like they don't have the money to do it......
Plus I read that the club will still back him even if he doesn't win for the rest of the season. Think they've accepted relegation already.
If they sack him now, they might stay up like they did last season.
Look at Leicester.
Sunderland are going down anyway and I'm happy about it.
I think it's too late to sack him, but the problem is the big pay out they'd have to give him. It seems they are in dire straits financially.
They should stick with him and sack him next season when they inevitably end up being a midtable championship team. Finally Sunderland go down with Moyes in charge, what a fitting scenario for a great man, manager and club.
I don't agree.
I think, unfortunately for David Moyes, the now worldwide scrutiny means that everyone knows his name by now, and it's associated with failure.
How can you, as a player, put any weight in anything he does any more? He exudes an aura of negativity. My overriding memory of David Moyes is not actually one of the many losers catchphrases he coined during his time with us, but more the Merseyside derbies when his Everton side were actually useful. I remember watching Everton one week and thinking "this is a REALLY good side, Liverpool are going to struggle against this lot!" then with the Anfield Derby a week later, watching the same players just fall to complete pieces and get destroyed by three or four goals, without mustering even a whimper in the entire game. His record against the top four suggests to me that when it comes down to it, he just doesn't believe in HIMSELF, let alone his players, and his character is osmosed by the teams he manages.
Of course not but he'll stand a better chance than having to play teams like us, who are able to play the world's most expensive player in history. Also takes the spotlight off a bit and maybe a relegation will make him reflect on his own inadquacies...of course he could also be sacked in the coming hours - who knows?
I don't think Moyes' quality has changed much since his Preston days. The problem with him is he took the United job (can hardly blame him) despite not really being good enough for a massive club, then took the job in Spain despite being completely out of his linguistic and cultural element there. He is a mid table Prem manager and can get Sunderland back to where they need to be if they stick with him. They aren't likely to find a better manager in the Championship.
He won the awards cos he was one of the few British managers-could you see a foreign manager lasting 10 years without getting into the top 6, let alone win LMA Manager of the year?
He will struggle to get out of the Championship with the squad he has got and it is a notoriously difficult league to get out of.
No. I think he is worse.
This guy, in 10 months, put us back several years...that's some accomplishment. He managed us into the lowest league finish MUFC have had in decades.
This guy should be retired or practise his trade in a lesser league (Championship, League 1, Scottish League).
I'm pretty certain there are (British) managers around who could not only establish a club like Sunderland as a mid-table side but do so whilst refraining from repeated negativity and general dourness.
I guess it all comes down to whether the board want him to do the job of bringing them back up. I can't see it though (Moyes accomplishing promotion) - the man is a loser personified.
I guess it all comes down to whether the board want him to do the job of bringing them back up. I can't see it though (Moyes accomplishing promotion) - the man is a loser personified.
Im too lazy to bring up stats, but those relegated teams along the years seldom get back up in a season. Almost every season we have new promoted team (norwich, hull, boro, etc)
It's harder to predict a championship winner than predicting epl winner
loved the camera shot today after the red card showing him laid back not arsed, resigned to defeat and not a muster of fight in him. So many memories