That was definitely a Woodward signing.
David Moyes | West Ham in talks with him for managerial job
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That was definitely a Woodward signing.
yeah he let it slip it was fergie/gill behind that one. they said look we can get mata if you want him, and moyes said um, ok. not really a moyes type of player is he
Moyes as a pundit? God forbid, that sounds really depressing!
He'd be as boring as Michael Owen and a lot more miserable.As relevant in 2013 as today.
I'll never feel sorry for him, he's a habitual failure that is keeping a competent manager somewhere, out of a top job, simply because of the carousel of underachieving, upward-failing, massive payout-getting, British managers.
The man is a fraud & a spiteful fool. I enjoy watching every second of scorn on his blank, flesh-eyed, face and will celebrate those Poznan-doing mouth-breathers silp down into the Championship.
Be interesting to see how far Moyes could take them down the Championship - I reckon he'd struggle to tread water even there.
I'd like to see him build a dynasty at Coventry.
Moyes as a pundit? God forbid, that sounds really depressing!
It's bad enough when the camera focus on him stood on the sidelines, let alone seeing him before and after live games. And he could pop up anywhere, not just Sunderland matches.
Very true but the majority of us would have the brains to not get rid off all the existing support staff and surround ourselves with the same old yes men. It would be great fun appointing all my workmates to be my staff but without some guidance Google would go the same way as Alta Vista within a few months. (Im not counting Giggs as I don't believe he ever had Moyes or LvGs best interests at heart).
Anyway sod Moyes, my only regret (as usual) is that we aren't directly responsible for the shits to get relegated and him never to be seen in football again.
On Channel 5
Given enough time and proper investment he would transform it!
I really don't know what happened to him. It could be a good case study at some universities for psychology as that United stint lead to some serious breakdown I believe. He was 3 times manager of the year, looking more than capable of managing at least a mid-table team...
Now, I pictured him wandering around Sunderland stadium shouting "Irrramendi!!!" as soon as someone pops up in front of him.
That award is a farce, just an old boys club voting for they're mates. The fact Moyes won it 3 times only one less than Ferguson and more times than Wenger is a complete joke. Mourinho has never won it once, in fact before Ranieri this year the only foreigners to have ever won it were Wenger and Kinnear (who's a cockney).
Yeah, agree pretty much. The award is British biased and ridiculous when you look that Mourinho never won it as you said it. But still he had a reputation back then and was considered by many as the best British manager after Ferguson.
His downfall in this last 4 years has been shocking.
He really is an absolute joke of a manager. He has failed at his last 3 jobs, all of which were very different to each other. One of the biggest clubs in the world; disaster. A very stable, good Spanish club; Fail. Relegation battle; Fail. He can have no excuses for how his career has panned out (although I'm sure he has).
Where does he go next? Who in their right mind would take him on now? Especially at the top level.
Where does he go next? Who in their right mind would take him on now? Especially at the top level.
He does it to himself. Listen to his interviews, nothing but passive language. He never says anything that could be thrown back at him because he's afraid to admit being wrong. Christ, how do his players feel when all their boss says is we hope we can get something from a match? Just say you're going there to win and if you lose, you lose.
Moyes is constantly afraid to admit he could be wrong and afraid to take any responsibility for results. He's a shite manager and a poor excuse for a man.
I rated Curbishley, shame he vanished. I still see him linked to managerial vacancies nowadays, though it's been like a decade.
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Yeah, he is very sly in everything he says. Always looking to throw someone else under the bus.
Its fascinating how some failed managers vanish out of the game while others seem to be given nearly unlimited chances to turn things around.
After Tony Adams's resurrection at Granada today 8 years after he was fired at Portsmouth, I certainly can't make sense of how the managerial merry-go-round works. Although I do predict that, unless Moyes can turnaround Sunderland next year and bring them back up, he's finished in any respectable league. And I don't expect him to bring Sunderland back up - he looks broken beyond repair.
He was ranked highly by the British press but i think one of two things has happened to Moyes which has lead to his downturn in fortunes the last 4 years. Either Everton was a perfect storm where everything went right for him and he can't replicate that elsewhere. Or he got comfortable at Everton, didn't keep himself up to date with training, tactics, scouting, etc. and the game has evolved and just passed him by.
I think it's that, similar sort of thing to Wenger now at Arsenal.
It sounds like it sort of happened to Fergie too towards the end but his innate genius meant he was still extremely successful anyway.
Yeah we can hurt the man all we want but ultimately LVG brought in more dross and chased out a few useful players. Squad building wise LVG fecked us over especially in attack where he let go of a lot of players without really replacing them.
Mix of both but the second thing hit the nail on the coffin IMO.
Also, what baffles me is his reputation of a hard working, dedicated and diligent man. First he took the extended break before the biggest job in his carrier probably assuming that he got a 6 year contract and he have a 4 year time to build on it and start properly. If he really had those attributes he would be all over the job since he was appointed. Transfer strategy for that first window was non existent.
Than he went over to Spain, not knowing the language but he wasn't afraid of facing a new challenge, learning different culture on all that. To explain your game plan and vision to the players you have to be able to, well... communicate with them. Basically, at the end, players complained that they most of the time didn't understand the instructions with Moyes pointing to them with fingers when trying to explain something. To make thing worse he took Spanish lessons twice a week and never went further then uno, dos, tres, cuatro, and then eventually giving up on it... Hard working for sure. I think Pep was pretty much fluent or very good with his German when he came to Bayern. German posters will now better. Yes, he had much more time to prepare but that's again naivety from Moyes to take the job unprepared.
Then came Sunderland job, which he again by the looks took pretty casually. Will have time, will build a team, it's a process. No, you had time 10 years ago in Everton and didn't evolve one bit from there.
Taking all that in the context along with his complete inability to admit his own failures, and there is a clear reason why people don't have any sympathy for him.
LVG was not a success in general and I couldn't stand his type of football but at least he had the vision about how we should play. He also had personality big enough for the job.
Moyes had neither.
In trouble again. Swearing at Jackie Oatley. Think she works at the BBC as well.
Video up on the Telegraph.
State of Moyes.
Video up on the Telegraph.
State of Moyes.
It's from 2012. The media smell blood and are digging up whatever dirt they can get on him.
Oh I didn't realise.
What's this about then? Are they trying to show he has a pattern of being shit to reporters?
It's a shame they didn't report this and cause a storm before we hired him
Might have prevented that disaster.He's a fecking diabolical manager, who will struggle in the championship, I'm pretty certain. I still feel sick at the thought of us deciding to hire him, it's got to be one of the most mind boggling and self destructive decisions in football.
Pienaar was awesome. We still haven't replaced him on the left. His partnership with Baines was superb.
I don't feel sorry for him.
I wish we'd scored 6+ goals yesterday. If possible 10 goals would've been great.
He wasnt rubbish okay but whats he done since those days? The standard of player he has been signing has been abmysal. They will not come back up unless there is huge changes in the scouting department at least,
He's finished no doubt but you said he was rubbish in his prime which was far from the truth.
I think he was referring to Moyes signing Pienaar for Sunderland.
I didn't want Moyes, but I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt when he came. Even over the holiday thing. All that stuff about hardworking etc, I accepted it.
I just assumed that he wanted a quiet couple of weeks with no press, no meetings, no phone calls. Basically to watch the DVDs of our matches, read through the players' medical histories etc, look at the scouting reports, think about how hard to chase players like Herrera and Thiago and generally do a bit of planning.
Then we got him telling us that he didn't have time to plan. Looks like with Moyes, what you see is what you get. Sixth place if you're lucky, a steady roll down the league if you're not.
@itso 7 LVG vision went to shite in the second season with very bad transfer window and probably even more with the horrible idea of Rooney leading the team. After the first season there was optimism that we can build on it.
As for getting rid of "bad" players you will have similar problem with every new manager if their game plans are quite different. And Jose's and LVG's game plans are.
As for getting rid of "bad" players you will have similar problem with every new manager if their game plans are quite different. And Jose's and LVG's game plans are.
Moyes would kill for McLaren's trophy cabinet. Coaching the team to the treble in your first year ain't bad.
Im talking about Steve McClaren not Shhhteve
