Woody should at least try and get someone like Isco from Real Madrid. Other players like Bale, Benzema and Varane do not want to leave, but Isco may be open to coming to United. Isco really impressed me with his work rate last season, and we need a creative player like him in the position where Fellaini is playing. I really don't want Real to force a player to leave, we saw how it turned out with Di Maria. De Ge and Real have us over a barrel, might as well accept that and try and get a good player in return.
De Gea Contract Situation
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The money you can get from his sale is not enough.
The best choice is to keep him till the end, not necessary as a regular starter.
He is a bad person, a squalid one, better him away of this club.
Not Cleverley, but Hernandez surely had some offers. 26 year old with his scoring record for club and country? Negredo will get Citeh 30M euros and they seem comparable. What did we gain by loaning out Chicharito? He has a year left. If we sell him we'll surely get less than we would have selling him with 2 years left.
My general point is that when you look at our spending, isn't the 18 we forfeit by paying De Gea (assuming his replacement has similar wages, otherwise adjust accordingly) worth a year of having a top 3 keeper in world football?
Van Persie is saying we'll spend 200. We spent what, 150 last year? Why is 18 some massive figure we desperately need? We have money and we need better footballers. We're not Lazio or Everton.
Falcao was a similar risk; One year of production for about 18M. A reasonable view of that player at 28, coming off the injuries he was coming off, wasn't that he would have a season as good as De Gea will next year, right?
I'd rather see us skimp somewhere else by giving a youngster Van Gaal rates from Wilson, Januzaj or Pereira a bigger role than selling De Gea for 18 and buying a replacement.
And this doesn't even get into the possibility that Madrid decide they need to get rid of Iker after all this and buy Leno or Cech or something and they excel and De Gea ends up staying. Crazier things have happened.
We tried to sell cleverley his wage demands squashed the deal. Hernandez loan did us no harm and who was lining up to pay a big fee for him anyways?
LVG at the start of the season stated clearly that if a player wants to leave, he will never stand in his way.
This was why he let Wellbeck go.
So, if DDG makes it clear that he wants to leave, LVG will let him leave no matter what.
The scenario that DDG will stay with us till the end of is contract (because he is forced to do so), is almost impossible.
Personally, Woodward needs to play hardball and tell Madrid that they either give Man Utd a high fee OR give us one their players. If not, then DDG stays for another year. Madrid will absolutely capitulate and if Casillas leaves (before DDG is signed), we can hold Madrid to ransom.
This was why he let Wellbeck go.
So, if DDG makes it clear that he wants to leave, LVG will let him leave no matter what.
The scenario that DDG will stay with us till the end of is contract (because he is forced to do so), is almost impossible.
Personally, Woodward needs to play hardball and tell Madrid that they either give Man Utd a high fee OR give us one their players. If not, then DDG stays for another year. Madrid will absolutely capitulate and if Casillas leaves (before DDG is signed), we can hold Madrid to ransom.
£18M for De Gea
. Don't care if he has 2 fecking weeks left on his contract. Real Madrid taking the piss, and Dave let this happen.
. Don't care if he has 2 fecking weeks left on his contract. Real Madrid taking the piss, and Dave let this happen.Don't see the issue with the suggested fee. If he was signed to a long term contract we'd be talking £35m, possibly, but with one year left it's fair. As good as he is, he isn't worth £18m plus his wages for one year.
That would be nice for a change. I read elsewhere that Casillas might be off quite soon. They'll have to play Navas for a season if we stick to our guns. Navas isn't a bad goalie at all but he's not up there with De Gea. Trouble is, we risk having an unhappy player for a season.
If De Gea plays till he is 40(which he could well do) he will be about till 2030.
Just think about that for a minute. Its very depressing. Even if Real pay £50mil its still a great deal for them.
Just think about that for a minute. Its very depressing.
Even if Real pay £50mil its still a great deal for them.
If he genuinely won't push for a move then we should just refuse their offers and let them blink first. And if he does want his move then it's up to him to make that clear.
Also, no more of this wanky "Please come home. We're not worthy" shit we did with Ronaldo when he came back on the off chance he might deign to come back at the tail end of his career. Him wanting to move is the most logical decision in the world. Us bending over backwards to facilitate it - and, just as likely, Mendes - isn't, or at least shouldn't be.
Also, no more of this wanky "Please come home. We're not worthy" shit we did with Ronaldo when he came back on the off chance he might deign to come back at the tail end of his career. Him wanting to move is the most logical decision in the world. Us bending over backwards to facilitate it - and, just as likely, Mendes - isn't, or at least shouldn't be.
£18m for De Gea, and then get quoted £25-30 for Lloris or £12-15 for Cech would be a horrible combination of business.
We might as well ask for Casillas into the deal.
We might as well ask for Casillas into the deal.
Yeah, he's not as good as Navas, so feck off!
Seriously though 18m is a joke. If we spent 8m to loan Falcao for the season he's had, then may be it's not that bad an idea to loan De Gea for another season for 18m. May be a bit too much, but we're also making a point here so, do it!
It's starting to sound like he might have shafted us a bit. Saying in January that he wanted to wait to see if we qualified for the CL (fair enough) but when we did, he still might want to go but his price has fallen. Or does he want to see if we get through the Qualifying round first?
Ever heard of contracts? And, Real don't have to offer any of their players into the deal cos they haven't let their contracts run down. We have very little leverage to ask for anything.
Madrid are all about the now, like a spoilt kid.
They don't like to wait.
For 18m, let's make them wait a year.
If we splashed similar money on a clapped out ex great rehabbing for a year up front, then we can forgo that.
As I said a few weeks ago, it's crazy how when Real Madrid want one of our players it's a done deal. And when they say one of theirs is staying, that's the end of the matter. De Gea is one of the best keepers in the world and, although keepers don't traditionally go for big money, this is 2015 and prices are hugely inflated. To sell him for what we bought him, after he's improved so much, is a bit of a piss take, imo. And, then, to top it all off, we're going to have to pay more for an inferior replacement?
Because they'll just splash the cash no matter what, other clubs do not have this luxury. They also do not care about squad harmony, as can be seen with Odegaard and several other players that immediatly get a higher payroll than eg Casillas. However, DDG leaving is our own feckup, we should have had him on a longer contract and should have renewed it a few years back. Obviously, all the changes over the past years did not increase our thoroughness on these matters.
Oh he plenty shafted us. This was completely obvious to me the first time this became an issue. Don't care if he wants to go to Madrid - but the shafting pisses me off. Also, United need to wake up and stop catering to Mendes. Slowly but surely we should start keeping him at arms length as much as possible. Other teams seem to do fine without 'super agent' Mendes, so why can't we? Look at Atletico, they haven't got as much power as United but they seem to get good effective players, and they are just one example. They lost De Gea but now have Jan Oblak, who is seriously talented and will rival De Gea as one of the best goalkeepers in the world.
it is a bit naughty if he used that excuse and bit him on the ass. probably see him holding a Madrid shirt next week
By all accounts we have been trying to get him to sign a contract - don't think United left this to the last minute, but he wants away. Nothing the club can do except try to save face somehow. Personally, unless Real coughed up £40 - £50M I would tell him categorically, he is seeing out his contract. All he and his slimy agent have to do is convince Real to cough up if he doesn't like that scenario.
If say in years to come, if nothing untoward happens in the meantime, Herrera said he wanted to go back to Zaragoza, I could understand that and he would go with my blessing. David is supposedly an Atletico fan, if I was one of their fans I would be fuming. I am fuming myself.
I dont think so either, however I do think that some contract renewels should not have been handled by Woody and Moyes but rather by Gill and SAF. It is in hindsight and I get that, but still.... Maybe harsh to say, but I believe that we are experiencing the aftermath of Moyes.
For selling DDG, it depends on what we can get back. If Cech is available I wouldnt mind selling him, because you never know what will be on the market next year. On top of that, Real will pay premium, wait and see. I wouldn't create some kind of battle over prestige, but rather do the optimal thing.
He's not going.
That may be, but to be honest, I had been hearing about De Gea and United renegotiating his contract for a quite a while back. Obviously you just think, footballer holding out for more money etc. Not sure it would have gone better even with Gill there, looks like he's made up his mind a long time ago imho.
What's the situation with Iker Casillas? I've not been following too closely; has he been put out in the cold by Madrid?
We don't have to sell.
We should play hardball and keep him till the end of his contract instead of bending backwards and facilitate the move.
We stood by the giraffe faced twat when he was having a wobbly first two seasons and he now seems to be fecking off at first opportunity.
Feck him and his girlfriend.
We stood by the giraffe faced twat when he was having a wobbly first two seasons and he now seems to be fecking off at first opportunity.
Feck him and his girlfriend.
Some of the rhetoric on here is RAWKish.
The idea that you can be angry or think DDG owes us something is pathetic.
We paid a lot of money for a potentially good keeper, many clubs were after him so we paid what we had to.
It's a contact, it protects the club and the player in different ways. At the end of that contract he's free to do what he wants. He owes us nothing.
Yes, we helped him become a great keeper but that's what we are supposed to do for our players.
Now, with a year to go on his contract he wants to move to over if the biggest 2 clubs in the world, in his home city and live with his girlfriend. And some people on here are stupid enough to think he shouldn't because of some 'loyalty' to us?
20m is a fair price for anyone in the last year of their contact. Kroos who is as good a midfielder as DDG is a keeper (i actually think better but that's another topic) went for 20m and all the best clubs in the works wanted him. DDG only wants madrid, it cuts our options down slightly.
He's served his contact, he owes us nothing.
The idea that you can be angry or think DDG owes us something is pathetic.
We paid a lot of money for a potentially good keeper, many clubs were after him so we paid what we had to.
It's a contact, it protects the club and the player in different ways. At the end of that contract he's free to do what he wants. He owes us nothing.
Yes, we helped him become a great keeper but that's what we are supposed to do for our players.
Now, with a year to go on his contract he wants to move to over if the biggest 2 clubs in the world, in his home city and live with his girlfriend. And some people on here are stupid enough to think he shouldn't because of some 'loyalty' to us?
20m is a fair price for anyone in the last year of their contact. Kroos who is as good a midfielder as DDG is a keeper (i actually think better but that's another topic) went for 20m and all the best clubs in the works wanted him. DDG only wants madrid, it cuts our options down slightly.
He's served his contact, he owes us nothing.
Anderson, Falcao, long plan of De Gea to Madrid and using United as a stepping stone, Ronaldo to Madrid, Nani and Bebe from the top of my mind.
If you ask me United should just tell Mendez to feck off from here on out.
If you ask me United should just tell Mendez to feck off from here on out.
We'll find out if the Hernandez loan did us harm if we sell him this summer, but I'm not sure how it could not have. Madrid paid us 2.5M in Euros for the loan but only took on 3M (half, it seems) of his salary, so basically we paid half a mil to have him play there for a year?
Typically, players are sold for less with a year left on their deal than with 2 years left.
And there was no upside, since if Hernandez had scored 30 or something, Madrid could have just picked up the option to sign him for 10M. This is in a world where Prem teams are buying Abel Hernandez for more than that!
Which clubs were after him?
Real & Barca didn't want him, Bayern got Neuer and Chelsea already had Cech & Courtois.
De Gea used us as a stepping stone according to the new stories, he was aiming for Madrid all along.
Yes it is logical, and yes he doesn't owe United anything at all, but it is very understandable that people are frustrated with how it all has gone down. We're fans of the club, not of the soon-to-be former player so our allegiance will be with Uniteds best interest.
I'd rather have a nutcracker than to see Valdez as our first choice.
Add in a record transfer fee for di Maria - a player who had to leave Madrid and had literally nowhere else to go. di Maria shouldn't have cost anymore than 40m.
Mendes has literally fleeced us over the last 8 years. Our club has suffered on the pitch from pretty much every deal that has benefited Mendes.
We're a soft touch and it's becoming clear to everyone.
I'd certainly keep him at arms length wherever possible from now on.
Well not quite - he still owes us a year from his contract, and if the club feels they have been used by him/Mendes to end-up at Real without fair compensation to us (as I speculated about earlier today in this thread, and seems to be reported in the Spanish media according to the Twitter thread), then we have every right to enforce that last year.
I'm not necessarily saying we should do that, but if Dortmund can force Lewandowski to see out his contract rather than move against their wishes, then a club with our resources has no excuse for being pushed around for the sake of (relatively) little money.
Hes got a year left
I must admit I don't get the animosity towards him. He is a man doing a job of work. Yes he wants to leave that job and move somewhere sunny. I have no problem with that what so ever.
The thing is he is still contracted to Man Utd. I would rather get that last year out of him than sell him for £18m. If RM are prepared to pay that much to get him one year early then they agree with me that one year of his playing time is worth that £18m.
I say we keep him.
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