De Gea Contract Situation

[hbgreg]

Right, he's refusing to play. Even if we didn't think he'd be "focused" we'd have him on the bench, if he's out of the 18 he's just plain refusing to play.

 

[OnlyTwoDaSilvas]

If he's not mentally ready now, is he ever going to be? Even when the window closes, his mindset doesn't change. He wants Madrid. If that is apparently going to affect him so greatly, then we might aswell accept a lowball offer, or just bench him for the rest of the season.

Or we go by what is being predicted, and he'll play when the window closes. But then how long will it take him to get the all-important match rhythm?

Does he miss all of the January window too? Once he's free to sign a pre-contract with Madrid next year, where is his mindset then? Will he be fit to play? It's a right old mess, this.

 

[Sir Matt]

If we're not going to play him, why haven't we signed a keeper yet? Romero is no where near good enough long term.

 

[K2K]

we have already said he will not be brought back until after the window, so nothing has changed since last week...as long as he trains hard, keeps his head down, he'll win back his place...i wont lie, romero makes me nervous too, but i actually see why we are doing this and agree..i think the psg game played a huge part in this, ddg then showed just how much focus he has...

 

[hp88]

Right, he's refusing to play. Even if we didn't think he'd be "focused" we'd have him on the bench, if he's out of the 18 he's just plain refusing to play.

Or LVG is refusing to play him?

 

[Utd7]

If the player is unsettled and definitively wants a move, why not propose this slighty far fetched arrangement with Mendes:
De Gea agrees to sign an extension now, we announce it publicly which takes away Madrid's leverage of not matching the valuation because his contract is due to expire next summer. Woodward then agrees to sell De Gea by the deadline for a correct and justified transfer fee (i.e. 35-45 million pounds). Why would Mendes agree to this? He makes commission on the updated wage packet and the transfer to Madrid. We win by getting the correct valuation and Madrid finally get their man. The caveat here is that De Gea would have to trust us that we would still sell despite the extension and that Madrid's interest would still be firm (i.e. not being content with their goal keeper situation being status quo and not pursuing another target).

 

[NL Max]

If he's not mentally ready now, is he ever going to be? Even when the window closes, his mindset doesn't change. He wants Madrid. If that is apparently going to affect him so greatly, then we might aswell accept a lowball offer, or just bench him for the rest of the season.

Or we go by what is being predicted, and he'll play when the window closes. But then how long will it take him to get the all-important match rhythm?

Does he miss all of the January window too? Once he's free to sign a pre-contract with Madrid next year, where is his mindset then? Will he be fit to play? It's a right old mess, this.

Why wouldn't it? When the window closes he also knows he'll be here for at least another year, right now theoretically RM could still make an offer we are willing to accept, that surely is on his mind as it's a big change for him if that happens. I don't find being distracted by the possibility that you'll move country, club and back to your family unbelieveable. I also think van Gaal sympathises with David, he isn't a fan of the transfer window being open after the season starts because of scenario's like this and wants to protect him.

It's not an ideal situation, but de Gea has handled this well so far. No moaning whatsoever and I'm sure if he stays that he will want to convince del Bosque that he's Spain their best keeper, which so far he hasn't convinced him on yet. Knowing for certain that you're staying means you can focus on your football again, like a professional should. Someone made a post earlier naming Schneiderlin, Modric, Suarez and a couple of others who were also denied a move but still delivered a good season by their standards, earning their move a season later to a topclub.

We've got the funds to not worry about losing the low speculated fee for de Gea, I think we'll be better off keeping him for a season whilst the second big batch of transfers settles in. Van Gaal now finally had the time to clear out alot of deadwood and bring in players he thinks are suitable, at the moment I don't expect us to need as many transfers next season. We should be in a better scenario next season to cope with the loss of de Gea. I would still sell him for a record transfer fee, as I feel we shouldn't keep him at all costs if he wants to go. He also wouldn't be guaranteed of his place anymore, if his performances are worse he will be dropped.

 

[2 man midfield]

If the player is unsettled and definitively wants a move, why not propose this slighty far fetched arrangement with Mendes:
De Gea agrees to sign an extension now, we announce it publicly which takes away Madrid's leverage of not matching the valuation because his contract is due to expire next summer. Woodward then agrees to sell De Gea by the deadline for a correct and justified transfer fee (i.e. 35-45 million pounds). Why would Mendes agree to this? He makes commission on the updated wage packet and the transfer to Madrid. We win by getting the correct valuation and Madrid finally get their man. The caveat here is that De Gea would have to trust us that we would still sell despite the extension and that Madrid's interest would still be firm (i.e. not being content with their goal keeper situation being status quo and not pursuing another target).

Or De Gea gets a bigger signing on fee once he secures his move, whilst at the same time ensuring it definitely goes through. Mendes takes his usual cut.

 

[hbgreg]

Or LVG is refusing to play him?

As much as people like to think LvG is stubborn/an idiot he would never refuse to play DDG, he's our best player. There are huge benefits to not saying "DDG is refusing to play."

 

[Drifter]

After everything that as been said by the club.I still feel he will eventually get that move in this window.

 

[lem8sh]

LVG being a bit stubborn here imo.

 

[MyOnlySolskjaer]

Probably the more wise decision to keep him away till September so we get some clarity.

We'd be truely fecked if we stuck with De Gea (especially when his head's not in it) only for him to bail on us late August and that would ultimately leave us without having any goalkeeper to cover for him with any match-sharpness.

 

[Sky1981]

If the player is unsettled and definitively wants a move, why not propose this slighty far fetched arrangement with Mendes:
De Gea agrees to sign an extension now, we announce it publicly which takes away Madrid's leverage of not matching the valuation because his contract is due to expire next summer. Woodward then agrees to sell De Gea by the deadline for a correct and justified transfer fee (i.e. 35-45 million pounds). Why would Mendes agree to this? He makes commission on the updated wage packet and the transfer to Madrid. We win by getting the correct valuation and Madrid finally get their man. The caveat here is that De Gea would have to trust us that we would still sell despite the extension and that Madrid's interest would still be firm (i.e. not being content with their goal keeper situation being status quo and not pursuing another target).

That would make mendes the enemy of madrid. They are his bigger client

 

[Lewis.no.9]

at first I was totally against this dropping De Gea BS BUT....Im now totally on board. Great decision and really feck Dave. Romero did relatively fine on his debut so lets continue. Granted Spurs wasted a good tactical gameplan to test Romeros handling and catching which other teams wont miss. But feck it. Lets give him a chance.

 

[Shane88]

He's made his bed, hopefully he gets to lie in it for a year.

 

[Moriarty]

LVG being a bit stubborn here imo.

No he's not. We need a match fit goalie. We also need a goalie who is used to the players in front of him. Romero needs to play all the minutes he can for the good of the team. As long as De Gea's immediate future is uncertain, Romero should play.

 

[Jaytay]

De Gea said he is fit and said he is available. The only person stopping him play is LVG. De Gea shouldn't be catching any flack.

 

[K2K]

As much as people like to think LvG is stubborn/an idiot he would never refuse to play DDG, he's our best player. There are huge benefits to not saying "DDG is refusing to play."

Where is the proof for that? Zero, dont you think that Marca and the likes would be pushing that story hard as that would strengthen Madrid's position in this saga?..if you choose to believe the worst, please do..but dont make up stuff ..

 

[Oggmonster]

We could have easily binned him during his first season when he looked like a very expensive turkey. If we had dropped him, how long would it have taken him to resurrect his career? We will never know the answer to that.

He owes us signing a new contract with a decent buy out clause, which is what he is supposed to have verbally agreed if we got a top 4 finish last season. Ronaldo had the decency to do it, so should DDG.

Why does he owe us something? Lets be fair if he owed us anything from 1 seasons he's more than made up for it with the last 2 or 3. You've got to be realistic, he's from MAdrid and seemingly wants to go home for family reasons, it's understandable. If I lived in Spain and my family wanted me to come home and I got offered a job at a better company (or at least as good) for more money I'd probably take it as well. Football for these players now is just a job and it's fair enough really.

LVG is being a bit of a tit with all this for me, people are taking a mistake in a friendly vs PSG way to seriously if they think it'll effect his game, I'd feel far more confident with DDG in net over Romero.

 

[Shiva87]

at first I was totally against this dropping De Gea BS BUT....Im now totally on board. Great decision and really feck Dave. Romero did relatively fine on his debut so lets continue. Granted Spurs wasted a good tactical gameplan to test Romeros handling and catching which other teams wont miss. But feck it. Lets give him a chance.

Come On. Maybe I am the very few around here who still likes him. He hasn't decided not to play, we decided to not play him. Yes, his head is turned, but he is handling it well. He didn't do a DiMaria and has remained professional. Couldn't ask for more. Sometimes you have to accept that a player might want different things personally - not everyone can be a Giggs. But he is the only player that consistently gave us moments of magic over the last two years. It was worth it. I hope it happens for another year. If he is here on Sept 1 - I fully expect him to have a blinder of a season.

 

[hbgreg]

Where is the proof for that? Zero, dont you think that Marca and the likes would be pushing that story hard as that would strengthen Madrid's position in this saga?..if you choose to believe the worst, please do..but dont make up stuff ..

You can believe what you like, as will I.

 

[NoPace]

Meaning he'll miss Villa away, Brugge at home, Newcastle at home, Brugge away and Swansea away. We should be winning all of them regardless of who's the keeper, Swansea away could be a tough one though.

I know Brugge are supposed to be a mess but we really shouldn't be fecking around in the CL. We don't look likely to score enough goals for the tie to be a blowout.

 

[NoPace]

This would never have happened if we'd made Rafael player-manager.

 

[Lewis.no.9]

Come On. Maybe I am the very few around here who still likes him. He hasn't decided not to play, we decided to not play him. Yes, his head is turned, but he is handling it well. He didn't do a DiMaria and has remained professional. Couldn't ask for more. Sometimes you have to accept that a player might want different things personally - not everyone can be a Giggs. But he is the only player that consistently gave us moments of magic over the last two years. It was worth it. I hope it happens for another year. If he is here on Sept 1 - I fully expect him to have a blinder of a season.

he pathetically pulled out of a routine save against PSG allowing them to score. Thats what he would give us in the league if we allowed him to play on his requests. He cant even play football properly. Some pro

 

[LARulz]

De Gea said he is fit and said he is available. The only person stopping him play is LVG. De Gea shouldn't be catching any flack.

Maybe not for this but I'm still annoyed at him in general over this whole saga

 

[Fully Fledged]

De Gea said he is fit and said he is available.

It's not his decision. I do agree he shouldn't get stick for LVG not playing him but just because he says he's ready to play means nothing.

 

[Sandikan]

he can have a nice 3weeks thinking about things.

Then September 2nd he can either buck up, or face a year doing jack.

 

[Shiva87]

he pathetically pulled out of a routine save against PSG allowing them to score. Thats what he would give us in the league if we allowed him to play on his requests. He cant even play football properly. Some pro

That's not true. It was a pre-season game. It was a bad mistake, but jones was equally responsible for the mistake. We aren't blaming Jones as much.

 

[K2K]

You can believe what you like, as will I.

Im asking where the proof is..Ive given a good reason why it isnt true...Why would a newspaper mouthpiece that has been harping all summer about the inevitability of this transfernot release such information which would improve their stance further, especially with their close relationship with Mendes..For example when DDG supposedly told United that he wanted to leave, Duncan Castles who is also connected to Mendes was quick to give out an exclusive on that..Why then would he , as journalist not break such a big story..there is simply no logic to such reasoning.

 

[lem8sh]

No he's not. We need a match fit goalie. We also need a goalie who is used to the players in front of him. Romero needs to play all the minutes he can for the good of the team. As long as De Gea's immediate future is uncertain, Romero should play.

I can't see how DDG isn't match fit, not like he's been sitting on his hole with a few months. Losing DDG and ending up Romero as our number 1 will be an unmitigated disaster so I hope that LVG and Woody have a keeper in mind to swoop for if DDG does leave.

 

[lem8sh]

he pathetically pulled out of a routine save against PSG allowing them to score. Thats what he would give us in the league if we allowed him to play on his requests. He cant even play football properly. Some pro

Wow.

 

[El-Manos]

De Gea is starting to annoy me now tbf.

 

[Jazz]

I don't think we should let him rot on the bench. However, I'm not sure we should play him before the end of the transfer window. As silly as it seems, I actually don't trust him to perform well... for whatever reason. Maybe I'm being too sceptical, but....

 

[Lewis.no.9]

That's not true. It was a pre-season game. It was a bad mistake, but jones was equally responsible for the mistake. We aren't blaming Jones as much.

to be fair, we are, Jones has been shocking for ages.

 

[Moriarty]

I can't see how DDG isn't match fit, not like he's been sitting on his hole with a few months. Losing DDG and ending up Romero as our number 1 will be an unmitigated disaster so I hope that LVG and Woody have a keeper in mind to swoop for if DDG does leave.

Physically, I'm sure he is but the club has said he isn't mentally match fit; not good for an outfield player, bloody disastrous for a goalie. Even during a one-sided match, a goalie has to maintain 100% concentration for 90 minutes. I think the greatest of all English goalies, Gordon Banks, wrote words to that effect.

I can't claim to have seen Romero play much but he did all right against Spurs and he's played in some big games for Argentina. Give him a chance. Also young Johnstone has a good reputation so we're not too badly off. However, it should have been sorted out after the final home game last season when it was clear that De Gea wanted out.

 

[Shiva87]

to be fair, we are, Jones has been shocking for ages.

"As much". Jones has been shit for ages, but we are not claiming he was unprofessional and let the goal happen. Two very different things - he is shit v/s he doesn't give a shit. It was a mistake. These things happen in pre-season. DDG had a cracker against Barca - and we were all (LVG included) very happy.

 

[lem8sh]

Physically, I'm sure he is but the club has said he isn't mentally match fit; not good for an outfield player, bloody disastrous for a goalie. Even during a one-sided match, a goalie has to maintain 100% concentration for 90 minutes. I think the greatest of all English goalies, Gordon Banks, wrote words to that effect.

I can't claim to have seen Romero play much but he did all right against Spurs and he's played in some big games for Argentina. Give him a chance. Also young Johnstone has a good reputation so we're not too badly off. However, it should have been sorted out after the final home game last season when it was clear that De Gea wanted out.

Agree totally.

 

[lem8sh]

De Gea is starting to annoy me now tbf.

Why?

 

[K2K]

Physically, I'm sure he is but the club has said he isn't mentally match fit; not good for an outfield player, bloody disastrous for a goalie. Even during a one-sided match, a goalie has to maintain 100% concentration for 90 minutes. I think the greatest of all English goalies, Gordon Banks, wrote words to that effect.

I can't claim to have seen Romero play much but he did all right against Spurs and he's played in some big games for Argentina. Give him a chance. Also young Johnstone has a good reputation so we're not too badly off. However, it should have been sorted out after the final home game last season when it was clear that De Gea wanted out.

I think we did try to deal with it quickly, but Madrid were intent on low balling us..I remember rumoured figures of around 13m at the time..that was ridiculous, and I think they( DDG, Madrid and Mendes) really thought we would just rollover..But hopefully we learn from this episode

 

[MyOnlySolskjaer]

Why?

What a bastard for not being selected.

People are actually hating on him for this...?