I don't know why van Gaal would publicly state de Gea doesn't want to be at United.
De Gea Contract Situation
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That is the perfect word for that look. Not quite confused, or shocked... but baffled. God knows what he's actually looking at. Fergie picking his nose and eating it? Blind at centre back?
Looks like he's just read a Jamie Jackson article
Because he doesn't, perhaps? Van Gaal usually tells it like it is in his pressers so there's a good chance he's just telling the truth. Whether it was the correct thing to say is another matter.
Brutal honesty I like. Brutally stupid I don't. Though I'm giving LVG the benefit of the doubt. Though hard pressed to say how his revelation improves our position against RM. Why would we want to antagonise DDG further if we are making him stay another year.
Well it would probably cost him a lot of money, is my guess. Although I'm not so sure his ire is, or should be, directed at United. It appears our stance is that he can go fulfil his dream, provided Madrid meet our terms. Madrid aren't going broke, they have the money, they can open negotiations for players United are interested in. His ire should be directed at Madrid, who have obvious interest, obviously got his hopes up that a transfer would be coming, and let him down by not following through.
I think Louis has to play the honesty card to not give DDG or his agent an out, imagine if LVG said that DDG does want to be here and he loves United, then DDG or his agent release statement saying the reverse.
I feel for Louis, damned if he does and damned if he doesn't, his honesty leaves everything now at DDG's table, does he piss off the fans royally (United and Atletico) and declare his desire and love for Madrid, thus alienating the two sets of fans that once cheered his name?
I feel for Louis, damned if he does and damned if he doesn't, his honesty leaves everything now at DDG's table, does he piss off the fans royally (United and Atletico) and declare his desire and love for Madrid, thus alienating the two sets of fans that once cheered his name?
This story never stops twisting.
Well, he has to give some sort of reason the 2 time player of the season isn't on the team sheet. I suppose he could lie, obfuscate, or just remain silent on the matter. The press and the fans will just come to their conclusions though. I think I can honestly understand that the boy's head isn't in the right place, and if he admitted it, that's no reason to take it as an affront to United fans.
Honestly, I'm not sure we can do anything to strengthen our position, or weaken it, at this point. Our stance is, and has been consistent, Madrid meet our demands or De gea stays.
Poor thing.
Today, the fourteenth of August 2015, is the day I am officially irritated by this fecking saga
I'm with LvG on this one. Madrid shouldn't be allowed to feck us around, they can very well keep playing two mediocre keepers and yet again lose the title to Barcelona this year.
Van Gaal has made a bit of a mess out of this in recent weeks. Fair enough to say he won't play during the transfer window while the possibility of a move is on. But whether it's true or not, there's no reason to mention anything about a private conversation between Hoek and De Gea. For what it's worth, I feel like the reports of De Gea being baffled at the suggestion that he said he didn't want to play is true. Can't see him saying that. De Gea has always been entirely professional and committed to playing, he never spoke out about anything in public, never had any leaks come out or anything. In fact I feel like he is perfectly fine with leaving next summer on a free. Just right now we're confusing things for whatever reason.
I'm fully behind us not giving in and selling to Madrid of course, they either pay up or shut up, basically. But I don't think De Gea is forcing a move and Van Gaal right now is more trying to prove a point to De Gea rather then anything, and I'm not sure what the reason for doing it in public is.
I'm fully behind us not giving in and selling to Madrid of course, they either pay up or shut up, basically. But I don't think De Gea is forcing a move and Van Gaal right now is more trying to prove a point to De Gea rather then anything, and I'm not sure what the reason for doing it in public is.
We have to prepare for the possibility of him leaving so not giving him a game until September 1 is a correct decision.If he stays after that he'll play.
i like that we are playing games with dave
him, mendes and madrid have been playing games and planning all sorts of bollocks for this deal to us for ages now (probably since the first contract rejection). Taste of his own medicine.
him, mendes and madrid have been playing games and planning all sorts of bollocks for this deal to us for ages now (probably since the first contract rejection). Taste of his own medicine.
The best bit is, they still will even WITH De gea!
De Gea probably thought that he'd never have to say anything. Everyone would bend to his wishes and he'd slip off quietly to Madrid.
Why would Van Gaal lie about the situation? That literally makes no sense. Everything points to De Gea not wanting to play.
What Van Gaal has said just weakens our bargaining stance so it makes no sense to lie about it. If he has made it clear that he won't play while the speculation is rife then putting him in the reserves (if true) for the meanwhile is fine by me because I doubt Van Gaal would have done it otherwise. If De Gea had said at the start of the summer that he's sorry but he really wanted to go home due to personal reasons then I'm sure he would be in Madrid by now.
The oh he's being professional by staying quiet? Nah I think it's more of the fact that he's a bit scared to say so. Of course De Gea's people will leak to the media that it's not true, what would you expect? But maybe he should open his mouth and try a bit of honesty.
LVG made it clear that De Gea is not up for playing matches for United at the moment which got clarified to De Gea 'not eager to play' which still translates into the fact he doesn't want to play for us yet. LVG also explained that his levels in training have been below his usual standard given LVG reason to worry. Yet somehow fans are giving LVG grief and De Gea getting empathy? A bit silly that.
I understand people want to keep this unblemished view of De Gea in their mind but everything seems to suggest that De Gea doesn't want to play right now.
What Van Gaal has said just weakens our bargaining stance so it makes no sense to lie about it. If he has made it clear that he won't play while the speculation is rife then putting him in the reserves (if true) for the meanwhile is fine by me because I doubt Van Gaal would have done it otherwise. If De Gea had said at the start of the summer that he's sorry but he really wanted to go home due to personal reasons then I'm sure he would be in Madrid by now.
The oh he's being professional by staying quiet? Nah I think it's more of the fact that he's a bit scared to say so. Of course De Gea's people will leak to the media that it's not true, what would you expect? But maybe he should open his mouth and try a bit of honesty.
LVG made it clear that De Gea is not up for playing matches for United at the moment which got clarified to De Gea 'not eager to play' which still translates into the fact he doesn't want to play for us yet. LVG also explained that his levels in training have been below his usual standard given LVG reason to worry. Yet somehow fans are giving LVG grief and De Gea getting empathy? A bit silly that.
I understand people want to keep this unblemished view of De Gea in their mind but everything seems to suggest that De Gea doesn't want to play right now.
We should have made it clear to De Gea & Real even before the summer started, that he wouldn't be allowed, under any circumstance, to leave before his contract is fully up. The way we've handled it has ensured he's spent the whole summer entertaining the idea we'd ultimately let him go to Real. Leaving us in this crappy situation which isn't ideal for any of the 3 parties involved.
The ball is now firmly in Madrids and DDG's court now.
We've made our ultimate public move on this story..
There's only a few realistic outcomes from here as far as I can see.
1 he stays and sits it out for a season
2 he stays, gets his head together, and plays
3 Madrid make an offer the we accept
I think it'll be a variation of 1 and 2. With him getting the nod, playing and making some serious gaffs, with both the fans and media on his back, his confidence will drop and he'll be benched again... fecking shame in all honesty for both the club and the player.
Probably walk out next year, and sign for some pub team in La Mancha, in shock, disheveled and with a severly distorted personality disorder.
We've made our ultimate public move on this story..
There's only a few realistic outcomes from here as far as I can see.
1 he stays and sits it out for a season
2 he stays, gets his head together, and plays
3 Madrid make an offer the we accept
I think it'll be a variation of 1 and 2. With him getting the nod, playing and making some serious gaffs, with both the fans and media on his back, his confidence will drop and he'll be benched again... fecking shame in all honesty for both the club and the player.
Probably walk out next year, and sign for some pub team in La Mancha, in shock, disheveled and with a severly distorted personality disorder.
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True. And imagine once he'll have a dip in form, Madrid fans will be on his back quickly, whistling and waving their white rags or whatever those are. If DDG was smart he would stay with us where he is loved and appreciated and fans are behind your back whatever happens. Oh well.
Welp, if he was thinking of staying for a year there's very little chance he'll actually want to perform now. Very daft imo.
That's a really good point and I don't think it's been made before. Which is quite something in such a circular and repetitive thread!
I'm with LVG with this one.
Also, I'm not accusing DDG of lying about being surprised about not being picked. He clearly doesn't want us as fans to hate him. No player wants that. He doesn't want to leave us because he hates the club, he just wants to join the biggest club of his hometown. That's all fair - but it would be very naive for anyone who's just slating LVG in all this just because they think he's mistreating De Gea. He's had plenty of opportunities to commit to us so clearly he just wants to join Madrid. Should we be playing a player who wants to be elsewhere? No. LVG wants Hoek to train with the two goalkeepers that will be in the squad for tonight - that's fair enough. This saga is just an irritating shit stained house now. Either Madrid cough up what we want for him, or he'll just stay with us and probably won't play that much.
LVG wouldn't not pick him if DDG wasn't himself. Why would he do that? I know Gaaly is an eccentric one, but he has no reason not to pick one of the best goalkeepers in the world at the moment if it wasn't for that very reason.
Also, I'm not accusing DDG of lying about being surprised about not being picked. He clearly doesn't want us as fans to hate him. No player wants that. He doesn't want to leave us because he hates the club, he just wants to join the biggest club of his hometown. That's all fair - but it would be very naive for anyone who's just slating LVG in all this just because they think he's mistreating De Gea. He's had plenty of opportunities to commit to us so clearly he just wants to join Madrid. Should we be playing a player who wants to be elsewhere? No. LVG wants Hoek to train with the two goalkeepers that will be in the squad for tonight - that's fair enough. This saga is just an irritating shit stained house now. Either Madrid cough up what we want for him, or he'll just stay with us and probably won't play that much.
LVG wouldn't not pick him if DDG wasn't himself. Why would he do that? I know Gaaly is an eccentric one, but he has no reason not to pick one of the best goalkeepers in the world at the moment if it wasn't for that very reason.
I think De Gea will stay and be number one and then he'll leave and write United fans a letter. Not really interested but he'll do it. He'll perform. His professionalism has been questioned and he will be very focused when he returns. If he's faked a lack of focus, then that's poor but I think this is a player who is not thinking properly at all. He will leave and be forgotten very quickly - which is a shame. He's a great goalkeeper but it will end badly for him in Madrid. Let's hope when he returns, he don't let in a goal like he did in that cup competition under Moyes - when we backed him? Cause he won't get that there.
Why play someone who would rather be somewhere else? He's better off in the reserves tbh.
I thought it was clear that this is where my question was headed, although it's more a case of whether it was a smart thing to say, as it causes a rift between the player and the club and thus further strengthens Real's hand. If we don't sell him now, I doubt DDG still wants to play under LVG. We all know de Gea will be gone by next season, but the smart thing to do is sit him until the transfer window is closed, don't talk about anything and then milk another good season out of him until he leaves.
You could have said the same about Ronaldo in his last season. Who benefits him leaving? Maybe De Gea - certainly Madrid. Do we want to do them any favors? Did they when Ramos wanted to leave? He wants to leave so much that he's said absolutely nothing. That's how much he wants to leave.
Bit harsh.
DDG has probably only said he isn't signing a new contract as he wants to go back to Madrid. Obviously I do not know for sure, but he has probably not said he wants to go this year, but asked us to consider offers from RM. I am pretty sure Mendes has said RM would take him, and he has been waiting for RM to make the offer, it hasn't come so DDG is in a bit of no-mans land. I am also pretty sure he knows United's position, he can go if RM meet the price, otherwise he stays. He is probably disillusioned as he had been led to believe one thing about RM and another has happened. RM believe they are in the driving seat and probably think the closer to the end of the window United will buckle. I hope we don't.
While this news is a story of some headline grabbing sense, LVG often trains first team vs bench and others. If DDG was decided not to play again vs villa, then he wouldn't be in either category and it makes sense for Romero and Johnstone to work in those phases and build cohesion with the defenders that they will likely be working with tonight.
It's part of the process, hey.
It's part of the process, hey.
The whole story is disgusting
You know, I wouldn't really care too much about this were it not for the fact that Benitez is the manager there.
I don't want him sold now no matter what they offer. I think we need to stand strong and make him see out his contract.
Euros coming up, it's in De Gea's best interests to keep schtum, work hard and earn his place again. It's in his beats interests to let the transfer window close so he can focus on playing again...because whilst it's open there will be speculation.
His agent and Madrid have tried to manufacture a cut-price transfer which I imagine has been on his mind for a while, but United won't cave.
I think every party involved could've handled it better. LVG didn't need to make public comments. DDG didn't need to wait until the final year of his contract to decide he wants out. His agent is a grade A dick 24/7. If Madrid are that keen on him being the long-term successor to Casillas they should respect United's demands.
Messy little saga this. I'm disappointed DDG can't see what kind of position he created for himself at United and is risking throwing it all away for Real Madrid. It wouldn't bother me if it was Atletico for example because that's a civilised environment.
His agent and Madrid have tried to manufacture a cut-price transfer which I imagine has been on his mind for a while, but United won't cave.
I think every party involved could've handled it better. LVG didn't need to make public comments. DDG didn't need to wait until the final year of his contract to decide he wants out. His agent is a grade A dick 24/7. If Madrid are that keen on him being the long-term successor to Casillas they should respect United's demands.
Messy little saga this. I'm disappointed DDG can't see what kind of position he created for himself at United and is risking throwing it all away for Real Madrid. It wouldn't bother me if it was Atletico for example because that's a civilised environment.
Excellent point, although I'm weary of what his mentality is going to be like should he not be sold.
I kinda wish that Van Gaal would have said something like that, or just not said anything publicly at all instead of starting this "he said, she said" tit for tat between the club and the player. To come out and state for the record that De Gea doesn't want to play (even if true) doesn't leave us in a very good position to try and maximize profit, seeing as though that seems to be the hangup on us selling him on, and it doesn't leave us in the best position should we keep him and need him to play.
I don't know. I guess I just prefer it if we could keep the drama behind closed doors and work through this in as professional manner as possible. While it's one thing for us on here to get upset and lash out at players who want away from the club, I have to feel that at the level of manager and player, these things ought to be looked at as just business, in a sense, and not become reason to get into a public quarrel over.
Players and managers come and go and these types of situations should stay between the management and the player. The reputation of the club shouldn't be drug into the middle of it.
It's become just like the whole SAF v. Rooney debacle. Except for the fact that SAF pulled a masterstroke of psychological warfare on the Rooney camp and in the end managed to get him to recommit to the club and cause.
DDG did little wrong. cnutish from Van Gaal.
I am right behind LVG on this one , if madrid don't meet the asking price then de gea stays . Trust in Louis .
That is the perfect word for that look. Not quite confused, or shocked... but baffled. God knows what he's actually looking at. Fergie picking his nose and eating it? Blind at centre back?
A man eating his nose is nothing to laugh at.
just do a Valdes and get kicked out. simples
Some thing big had to go down behind the scenes between DDG and LvG.
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