Exactly, some people seem to think that 5% of the club revenue is nothing.
De Gea Contract Situation
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Exactly, some people seem to think that 5% of the club revenue is nothing.
I said "pull your head in", after you had likened holding a professional to a legally signed contract worth millions of Pounds to locking him in a prison. This would be where you might use a laughing smiley face!
If you're going to refuse to read the several places where I've explained why it's not about spite or revenge, I can't make you. But there really isn't much point continuing this.
You don't consider Real Madrid to be a rival?
That's not it. Just that sometimes the short term loss is necessary for long term gain.
More so.
I think this club should be striving to compete at the levels Real Madrid compete at and not at the level Liverpool compete at.
I think it's a shame that you and other United fans feel differently.
I'm in 2 minds about it if he leaves, always has been. I firmly believe part of the "He doesn't owe us anything" stuff is bullshit, granted he's had a few good seasons but he will be jumping ship at literally the first chance he got. We didn't sign new keepers to replace him when he was playing shit. The problem is there's no loyalty in football anymore and I've become a bit immune to players leaving and being bothered by it now, it is just a career to them, it's not different to me getting a new job nearer my house for more money really.
The only thing that will be funny is he'll probably be another one along with Ronaldo who is fawned over by United fans despite him being desperate to leave and then the ignorance will shine through when someone like Rooney has a bad game and the whole wanting to leave stuff comes out again, despite him being the 1 top player who stuck by us!
The only thing that will be funny is he'll probably be another one along with Ronaldo who is fawned over by United fans despite him being desperate to leave and then the ignorance will shine through when someone like Rooney has a bad game and the whole wanting to leave stuff comes out again, despite him being the 1 top player who stuck by us!
It has nothing to do with aiming to compete with them, Real fans see Atletico as more of a rival than Manchester United, even before their recent success.
You do realize that your stance is the opposite of this post, by letting De Gea go in exchange of 30m, we accept a short term loss for a long term benefit, what you are proposing is, a short term loss for a long term loss.
No hard feelings on my part. He's from Madrid. His girlfriend and family are there. The weather is better there. They are much better than us at the moment and will be competing on all fronts every season. They will pay just as good money. There's every chance he will be a huge improvement for them and thus win favour with the fans. There's no one here who wouldn't do the same in his shoes.
We always knew this was a real possibility, but we went through with it anyway. He's been great for us but if we really want a long term he was always a risky option. A young German keeper like Leno could be a more realistic '10 year' option.
We always knew this was a real possibility, but we went through with it anyway. He's been great for us but if we really want a long term he was always a risky option. A young German keeper like Leno could be a more realistic '10 year' option.
Probably, given I wasn't being entirely serious.
I know you've also made the point about weakening a rival. But I dont see Madrid as a rival. They affect us during a 180 minute tie once every decade.
I think there has to be some element of class in your dealings too. What if everyone this summer decides that they wont sell anyone to Manchester United and all our targets will be made to see our the remainder of their contracts? It's just silly IMO. We have a good relationship with PSV. What if they went all cnutish on us and held Depay there for another few years and stuck two fingers up to us? I'm not saying clubs have to sell of course, but there has to be a manner in which the club operates.
And yes the money is important. I doubt 30-40 million for De Gea is something the club would let go off. You never want an asset to go without being compensated.
Bale - Its purely speculation. Also if a player wants to leave to an X club than he will go there irrespective of the contract. We know that far too well (I call that the Real Madrid effect ie players start acting like cnuts until they mysteriously end up with Real on a cut price fee (ex RVN and Beckham)
Beckham - read above
Owen and Mcnanaman - aren't British players only concerned to play with British clubs?
We can want to REACH Madrid's level but we can't COMPETE at their level very often. For most part, we'll have to make do with Liverpool as our rivals because they're actually in our league. Also, they're our proper rivals. Fans genuinely care about losing to Liverpool big time.
Like I said, both clubs are mostly in the CL and we meet them once a decade. If they're rivals then the term is loosely used. We're big rivals in a business sense I guess.
We might be digging our heels in over the fee or trying for a swap, and nothing is actually agreed. Hence why Dave hasn't said anything publicly yet, but I wish he would now.
If he wants to leave, fair enough, there's no point trying to keep a player who wants out. For me personally, it makes it easy to accept if the payer doesn't want to be here. I wasn't that bothered when Ronny fecked off either.
The time to renew was last summer, but after the season we had it made it impossible.
If he wants to leave, fair enough, there's no point trying to keep a player who wants out. For me personally, it makes it easy to accept if the payer doesn't want to be here. I wasn't that bothered when Ronny fecked off either.
The time to renew was last summer, but after the season we had it made it impossible.
Out of interest to the people saying they hope he gets a fantastic reception in his last games....why do you even want him to play? If he's leaving I hope he's not even in the squad really, we should give Valdes the last 2 games and see what he can do rather than hope de Gea gets a nice clap off the pitch.
The ones saying he should get a fantastic reception probably consider him to still be unsure and hence potentially swayed by a show of support.
Maybe I should given he's done really well this season, but I can't get myself around to caring much about a keeper leaving.
The most annoying part is that we are going to lose a £40+ million player for something like £20 million 
I hope we do something to try and get one of their players out of it.
I hope we do something to try and get one of their players out of it.
I agree. Love De Gea but if he wants to go then feck him. We need to think about our future without him.
That would a bit of a shitty deal for us. I mean he's more valuable now than when we signed him given he's improved so much in this period. 20 million is a little more than the Welbeck/Balotelli feeThe most annoying part is that we are going to lose a £40+ million player for something like £20 million
I hope we do something to try and get one of their players out of it.
his reaction at full time tomorrow will be pretty interesting i think.
Agree. If he's genuinely off then I'd like to see Valdes play as well.
This whole subject has become tedious and swamped in sentimentality. Either he wants what OT have offered or he goes. If he goes we move on and upwards - no player is bigger than the club - that's our maxim.
yeah true, though I'd suggest it's a bit naive to think he might consider staying on the back of a decent reception....it seems pretty clear from all the reports and also what the club is saying thast he won't be here next season. It's a shame as we are losing our best player to Madrid (again) but we need to move on.
I also wouldn't feel sorry for him in the slightest if all the Madrid fans give him shit like they do Casillas, Bale etc. He knows what the situation is there and has decided to go still.
I have been a bit surprised with just how soft United have been in all this though, I know that LVG likes to speak the truth but I see no reason for him to say stuff like we have a list of replacements lined up. After Woodward's big claims regarding his desire to stop all the big players from moving to Spain I would have preferred us to play hard ball, sit down with Real and tell them a big price. I am not saying keep him for a season even if it costs us 25-30 million but rather with our financial power at least show Real that if it came down to that then we will keep him for one more season. Transfers at Madrid are more about politics and drama so if they desperately want him then they will put the money out
Oh if he under performs he can expect to be slaughtered by that lot within a month.
A few years ago, United were making at least the semi finals of the CL year on year. That is obviously where we want to return to right? We can at least all agree on that? We're not all aiming to be battling Liverpool for 4th place for the next decade?
That is where Real Madrid currently operate. When we get there, we're going to be meeting them a lot more often than once a decade. Especially if we sell them our best players.
Liverpool are our historic rivals, but in reality are an irrelevance at the top level of European football.
They've had players of the calibre of Suarez, Alonso, Torres, Macherano and Gerrard over the past decade and still achieved feck all. In terms of damage caused by selling a top player to a rival, Liverpool are far less worrying to me than Real Madrid.
As I've said before, if Rooney came out tomorrow, said he was missing his home city and wanted to sign for Liverpool we would all rightly tell him to feck off.
We would however, be open to the idea of selling him back to Everton if it was a truly personal decision.
All I've ever said is that we should consider selling our brightest talent to Real Madrid, Barcelona or Bayern Munich in the same manner. If he needs to go home, and is willing to turn down huge money, then go back to Atletico with all of our blessing. But you can't go to Real.
That is not slavery, it's not imprisonment, it's not spiteful or vengeful. It's just looking out for our club.
That is where Real Madrid currently operate. When we get there, we're going to be meeting them a lot more often than once a decade. Especially if we sell them our best players.
Liverpool are our historic rivals, but in reality are an irrelevance at the top level of European football.
They've had players of the calibre of Suarez, Alonso, Torres, Macherano and Gerrard over the past decade and still achieved feck all. In terms of damage caused by selling a top player to a rival, Liverpool are far less worrying to me than Real Madrid.
As I've said before, if Rooney came out tomorrow, said he was missing his home city and wanted to sign for Liverpool we would all rightly tell him to feck off.
We would however, be open to the idea of selling him back to Everton if it was a truly personal decision.
All I've ever said is that we should consider selling our brightest talent to Real Madrid, Barcelona or Bayern Munich in the same manner. If he needs to go home, and is willing to turn down huge money, then go back to Atletico with all of our blessing. But you can't go to Real.
That is not slavery, it's not imprisonment, it's not spiteful or vengeful. It's just looking out for our club.
If there's one thing we need to improve at in the transfer market more than our signings, it's our sales and the fees thereof. We seem to get 50% of what we should get for literally every player we've sold in recent times.
I never said that. Besides its completely different leaving a 2nd tier club for a top 3 club in the world a long with your own club not going to sell domestically.
It's ONE year though. We can't weaken them beyond that. And we most probably wont even run into them next year. The odds are of course slim.
Besides you do know that keepers like Brad Freidel have had great games against us, so that can happen whether it's De Gea in goal for them or not.
So basically we're giving up 20-40 million pounds because we might play Madrid in the cl next year. That's it. And We'd have to pay him big wages for sitting in the reserves.
Definitely, you'd think Bale has never had a good game for them the shit they give him! Strange set of fans really but it's always been their mentality.
They whistled Ronaldo a few weeks back, heh. Mental bunch.
It's annoying that he is (almost certainly) leaving in a few weeks but, being objective, I can't think of a single reason why I would choose United over Madrid if I were him (home town, girlfriend and a better side etc). Even the "circus" aspect of Real Madrid is probably not much of a counterbalance considering DDG has had 3 managers in his four seasons at United (with Van Gaal set to step down in a couple of years as well) with a continuing high turnover of players.
However, unlike Ronaldo in 2009, I'm confident we can find an adequate replacement.
However, unlike Ronaldo in 2009, I'm confident we can find an adequate replacement.
If we were known for doing that, why would De Gea have even signed for us in the first place, unless for some weird reason he thought he would finish his career here? What kind of player is going to sign for a club that doesn't allow them to move to any of the best teams abroad?
One year more where Real have serious frailties in goal. One year where a goalkeeping error might cost them La Liga or a place in a CL final. One year where they may be pressurised into spending more money on an inferior goalkeeper. Or one year where their rumoured transfer ban might come into play and they're faced with a couple of seasons stuck with the goalkeepers they have.
It's not all about facing them in one on one games. We could be competing with them for a player next summer and should be doing anything we can do to lessen their buying power.
Giving them one of the worlds best 2 keepers, a player capable of getting them over the line for major honours would do quite the opposite.
De Gea can go on a free next summer. Keeping a player who does not want to be here does not benefit United.
I want players who want to finish their careers at United. I though I'd been quite clear there?
We've taken De Gea, stood by him when he was poor, benefited from 2 good seasons and are about to see him waltz off to Madrid for less than his market value.
Same happened with Ronaldo. Yes they have been good players at the club but there are other good players. More committed players.
If we hadn't signed De Gea we would have signed another top class keeper. Maybe not quite as world class but perhaps such a signing wouldn't have papered over the cracks of such a poor defence for so long?
Nor does selling him to Real Madrid for 20million.
Surely we could get more than 20m for him? 20m is a joke.
We find out for definite tomorrow if he addresses the crowd.
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